Interesting information, this is the kind of thing that one does not hear about in the usual wold war II documentary. It is always the red army of the Soviet Union that gets most of the credit.
Also, it is remarkable how the Nazi talking point has been a thing since the beginning of this conflict, I have no doubt that there must be some people in Ukraine who sympathize with the national socialist ideology, but there is also people like that in many countries of Europe and even in the United States.
The only reason of this war seems to be to annex territory to the Russian Federation.
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^^^ If you check it out, you will find that there are Nazi's in both Russia and the Ukraine. You will also find that not everyone is a Nazi.
There is a lot of innocent killing going on in this war. But if you look, you will find that:
1. In the past the parts of Ukraine that Russia has taken back were actually part of Russia.
2. The Ukraine military was killing the people of the Donbas and Donetsk since at least 2014, because they were Russian.
Russia was simply protecting her own with this invasion. And they didn't invade for years because they were trying to negotiate. When negotiations failed, what choice did they have?
There is a lot of innocent killing going on in this war. But if you look, you will find that:
1. In the past the parts of Ukraine that Russia has taken back were actually part of Russia.
2. The Ukraine military was killing the people of the Donbas and Donetsk since at least 2014, because they were Russian.
Russia was simply protecting her own with this invasion. And they didn't invade for years because they were trying to negotiate. When negotiations failed, what choice did they have?
It is true that some Ukrainians collaborated with Germany during the second world War because of so may reasons. But for Putin to justify the invasion of Ukraine with the claim that he want to "denazify " the country is hiding the truth and promoting falsehood. Ukrainians fought with Russians to defeat Germany and I am sure that without thier support victory would have been more difficult. Infact it was estimated that a total of 4.5million Ukrainians joined the Russians to fight the Nazis, while a mere 250,000 collaborated with Germany. My question now is are the thousands of civilians that have been killed by the Russians during this invasion Nazis?
Everybody knows or is finding out that Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe. To see this, simply do a search like this one - https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=Ukraine%2C+corrupt+country&ia=web. Wherever you got your info from, it was probably a corrupt Ukrainian journalist who wrote it... even if it is somewhat true.
The interesting thing is that some of the people in the US government are even more corrupt.
The interesting thing is that some of the people in the US government are even more corrupt.
There has been a lot of echo to the official RF version of Urkaine being "Nazis". Let's now recap and see who actually drove the Nazis out of Ukraine and Russia:
I think that Putin has little to teach Ukraine about how to fight, how to win and how to get the Nazis, the real ones, out of the country and into their sewers. It is about time that Ukraine gets the recognition they deserve and that will not come from the Kremlin.
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Ukraine's Contribution to Victory in World War II Is Unsurpassed
Ukraine paid the biggest price for victory in the Second World War. As a vital contributor to the Red Army and a key provider of industrial resources in the USSR, Ukraine incurred the largest number of casualties during WWII. Russia has claimed the victory for itself and has officially denied the Ukrainian role in the fight against the Nazis.
The real number of victims during WWII is still not fully known. Some relevant data is still held in Russian archives and is not available for non-Russian researchers. However, of the 41.7 million people living in Ukrainian Soviet Republic before the war, only 27.4 million were alive in Ukraine in 1945. Official data says that at least 8 million Ukrainians lost their lives: 5.5 - 6 million civilians, and more than 2.5 million natives of Ukraine were killed at the front. The data varies between 8 to 14 million killed, however, only 6 million have been identified.
Remarkably, in December 2010, the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin mentioned in an interview that the Soviet Union could have won the Second World War without Ukrainian forces. “We would definitely have won without Ukraine as a member of USSR, because we are the “winner state.” The war was won because of Russian industrial resources” he claimed.
The contribution of Ukrainians to victory in World War II was not just limited to the 7 million Ukrainian soldiers in the Red Army. Hundreds of Ukrainians also served as generals and commanders. The flag of victory over the Reichstag was first raised by a Ukrainian from Sumy, Alex Berest. In addition, about 2.5 million Ukrainians received commendations and were awarded with medals by the Soviet Union.
Ukraine was also the largest contributor to the industrial resources of the USSR. Before the war, the Ukrainian SSR was a leading center for metals and mining, chemical production, tractors, and agricultural machinery. In 1940, Ukrainian mechanical engineers built 671 line-haul locomotives (73.4 percent of all-Union production) and 16 thousand tons of mining and metallurgical equipment (67.5 percent).
Ukraine paid the biggest price for victory in the Second World War. As a vital contributor to the Red Army and a key provider of industrial resources in the USSR, Ukraine incurred the largest number of casualties during WWII. Russia has claimed the victory for itself and has officially denied the Ukrainian role in the fight against the Nazis.
The real number of victims during WWII is still not fully known. Some relevant data is still held in Russian archives and is not available for non-Russian researchers. However, of the 41.7 million people living in Ukrainian Soviet Republic before the war, only 27.4 million were alive in Ukraine in 1945. Official data says that at least 8 million Ukrainians lost their lives: 5.5 - 6 million civilians, and more than 2.5 million natives of Ukraine were killed at the front. The data varies between 8 to 14 million killed, however, only 6 million have been identified.
Remarkably, in December 2010, the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin mentioned in an interview that the Soviet Union could have won the Second World War without Ukrainian forces. “We would definitely have won without Ukraine as a member of USSR, because we are the “winner state.” The war was won because of Russian industrial resources” he claimed.
The contribution of Ukrainians to victory in World War II was not just limited to the 7 million Ukrainian soldiers in the Red Army. Hundreds of Ukrainians also served as generals and commanders. The flag of victory over the Reichstag was first raised by a Ukrainian from Sumy, Alex Berest. In addition, about 2.5 million Ukrainians received commendations and were awarded with medals by the Soviet Union.
Ukraine was also the largest contributor to the industrial resources of the USSR. Before the war, the Ukrainian SSR was a leading center for metals and mining, chemical production, tractors, and agricultural machinery. In 1940, Ukrainian mechanical engineers built 671 line-haul locomotives (73.4 percent of all-Union production) and 16 thousand tons of mining and metallurgical equipment (67.5 percent).
I think that Putin has little to teach Ukraine about how to fight, how to win and how to get the Nazis, the real ones, out of the country and into their sewers. It is about time that Ukraine gets the recognition they deserve and that will not come from the Kremlin.
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