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April 13, 2017, 10:44:38 PM
#67
asic boost existed before segwit

if you think asics are attacking blockstream then time travel must be possible.

yet, using logic
gmax one month ago realised his 'going soft' approach was not as compatible with the network as he thought. but instead of re-coding segwit to fit around the network he wants his flock to point fingers at the pools and blame them for why segwit will have issues being accepted.

funny part is, gmax and his flock actually proposed to 'go soft' purely to avoid users consensus. as a way to escape anyone sayin no.. but now gmax has found the code for going soft is his own downfall

if only gmax actually done a proper 1merkle full node+pool consensus and using that oppertunity to include dynamics aswell.. alot of time, delay and debate could have been avoided

There is proof that He is still using AsicBoost. Jihan Wu, in my and many others' opinions, is a dirt ball.

asicboost is PATENTED tecnology wt hell is wrong with you people? If he was smart enough to use it and another is not so smart so this is not his fault actualy. Get smart ,create another asicboost technology. Why Bitfurry do not use something like this? Or maybe we do not know all patented technologies from another companies? Should we start to search it?


You are clueless. You have no idea what you are talking about. The Bitcoin network was designed to be decentralized, that means no one controlling it. Unfortunately, it grew too fast, and some changes are needed in the size of each block so they can process more transactions faster. This would allow wider adoptation of bitcoin, hence, it would grow as an asset.


Jihan Wu runs a mafia cloud mining operation, and he has covertly been using a technology while mining  that hurts the blockchain. I encourage everyone to pull out of hashnet, and the antpool.

Jihan Wu's operations threaten the future of bitcoin. Save bitcoin now, and leave his operations.
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April 13, 2017, 08:05:58 PM
#66
asic boost existed before segwit

if you think asics are attacking blockstream then time travel must be possible.

yet, using logic
gmax one month ago realised his 'going soft' approach was not as compatible with the network as he thought. but instead of re-coding segwit to fit around the network he wants his flock to point fingers at the pools and blame them for why segwit will have issues being accepted.

funny part is, gmax and his flock actually proposed to 'go soft' purely to avoid users consensus. as a way to escape anyone sayin no.. but now gmax has found the code for going soft is his own downfall

if only gmax actually done a proper 1merkle full node+pool consensus and using that oppertunity to include dynamics aswell.. alot of time, delay and debate could have been avoided

There is proof that He is still using AsicBoost. Jihan Wu, in my and many others' opinions, is a dirt ball.

asicboost is PATENTED tecnology wt hell is wrong with you people? If he was smart enough to use it and another is not so smart so this is not his fault actualy. Get smart ,create another asicboost technology. Why Bitfurry do not use something like this? Or maybe we do not know all patented technologies from another companies? Should we start to search it?
newbie
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April 13, 2017, 07:17:39 PM
#65
haha,

Your not going to get me sink down to your level. There is plenty of proof, including jhan wu's patent on a technology similar to AsicBoost, that accomplishes the same thing, that he is using covertly, and as a result, causing damage to the Bitcoin Network. There is a reason why good miners don't want AsicBoost, or anything like it.

You obviously work for Jihan Wu, or have something to gain by segwit not being activated.


Myself, on the other hand, want a bitcoin network that will send payments instantly, so that businesses can embrace Bitcoin, and the userbase can grow, hence, bitcoin as an asset.

You are money hungry and want to profit from Bitcoin even if you cause its demise, you don't care.  

This is exactly the kind of retarded reasoning that gets Blockstream/Core bad PR.
You're not going to provide proof because you have none.

Sam Cole and Guy Corem also have patent on ASICBoost, are they attacking the network too?

You made an accusation, all I asked for is a little proof.
Just show people what you have, why talk so much bullshit.


I have already provided the proof repeatedly. You refuse to acknowledge it for obvious reasons.

I am going to launch a fearless, and relentless campaign against Bitmain, and Jihan Wu so people can learn the truth.  

The only link you've posted is a news article from Coindesk, a Blockstream mouth piece, the article doesn't have any evidence in it.
The rest is just could-be-would-be/he-said-she-said, typical Blockstream bullshit.

Where are the hard evidence? Where is the data?
You talk a lot, but you have nothing in your hands.
legendary
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April 13, 2017, 07:06:42 PM
#64
Now we know why bitmain is against SW because it will render their asicboost miners useless, I heard that they have a new big farm planned to be turned on and mining and they will add up to their hash rate to block SW even for years to come so that they can bump up the fees and mine bitcoins thinking people will submit to their $1200+ price per coin forever.

The miners will not be useless, but they would mine at the same level like everybody else.

And not at a 20-30% reduced difficulty (equivalent) which would allow them to monopolize worldwide bitcoin mining.

ASICBOOST is a nightmare, and must be prevented at all costs.

Whoever owns the ASICBOOST patent in China, would be the Emperor of Bitcoin. Almost unbelievable that this has not been brought to attention earlier. Thanks Greg Maxwell.  Smiley
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April 13, 2017, 06:18:38 PM
#63
haha,

Your not going to get me sink down to your level. There is plenty of proof, including jhan wu's patent on a technology similar to AsicBoost, that accomplishes the same thing, that he is using covertly, and as a result, causing damage to the Bitcoin Network. There is a reason why good miners don't want AsicBoost, or anything like it.

You obviously work for Jihan Wu, or have something to gain by segwit not being activated.


Myself, on the other hand, want a bitcoin network that will send payments instantly, so that businesses can embrace Bitcoin, and the userbase can grow, hence, bitcoin as an asset.

You are money hungry and want to profit from Bitcoin even if you cause its demise, you don't care.  

This is exactly the kind of retarded reasoning that gets Blockstream/Core bad PR.
You're not going to provide proof because you have none.

Sam Cole and Guy Corem also have patent on ASICBoost, are they attacking the network too?

You made an accusation, all I asked for is a little proof.
Just show people what you have, why talk so much bullshit.


I have already provided the proof repeatedly. You refuse to acknowledge it for obvious reasons.

I am going to launch a fearless, and relentless campaign against Bitmain, and Jihan Wu so people can learn the truth. 
newbie
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April 13, 2017, 05:23:14 PM
#62
haha,

Your not going to get me sink down to your level. There is plenty of proof, including jhan wu's patent on a technology similar to AsicBoost, that accomplishes the same thing, that he is using covertly, and as a result, causing damage to the Bitcoin Network. There is a reason why good miners don't want AsicBoost, or anything like it.

You obviously work for Jihan Wu, or have something to gain by segwit not being activated.


Myself, on the other hand, want a bitcoin network that will send payments instantly, so that businesses can embrace Bitcoin, and the userbase can grow, hence, bitcoin as an asset.

You are money hungry and want to profit from Bitcoin even if you cause its demise, you don't care.  

This is exactly the kind of retarded reasoning that gets Blockstream/Core bad PR.
You're not going to provide proof because you have none.

Sam Cole and Guy Corem also have patent on ASICBoost, are they attacking the network too?

You made an accusation, all I asked for is a little proof.
Just show people what you have, why talk so much bullshit.
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April 13, 2017, 05:20:37 PM
#61
Now we know why bitmain is against SW because it will render their asicboost miners useless, I heard that they have a new big farm planned to be turned on and mining and they will add up to their hash rate to block SW even for years to come so that they can bump up the fees and mine bitcoins thinking people will submit to their $1200+ price per coin forever.
legendary
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April 13, 2017, 05:14:47 PM
#60
The damage to the network is not so much in the covert usage of teh exploit.

It is mainly due to the fact that the Asicboost exploit patent holder has been fighting Segwit, and supporting BU, for selfish reasons (namely, the goal to gain worldwide control of Bitcoin mining, by means of the Asicboost exploit which creates a 30% difficulty decrease for the patent owner).

Even if Bitmain never used Asicboost until today, it would make almost no difference!

This has kindled the ongoing war between Segwit and BU, the ongoing threat of a split, and a tangible damage to Bitcoins price!!

 Angry Angry Angry Angry
legendary
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April 13, 2017, 05:11:53 PM
#59
so to summarise
blockstream go soft.. and china goes back in time to make hardware years befor blockstream 'soft' half baked gesture..
and yep china went back in time purely to make hardware that attacks the half baked software.

or

gmax last month realised his half baked software wasnt soft enough and was actually gonna break teeth. but then has a tantrum and points fingers at others, and now doubling down to delay the community right upto the end of 2018 unless the half baked gesture gets accepted.
rather then re-doing code in the way the community would actually approve of.

 
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
April 13, 2017, 05:09:07 PM
#58

Myself, on the other hand, want a bitcoin network that will send payments instantly, so that businesses can embrace Bitcoin, and the userbase can grow, hence, bitcoin as an asset.
 

Good news, we can send already do that with Bitcoin.  Smiley  I agree we should just HF to bigger blocks and be done with it.    No need for segshit.
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April 13, 2017, 04:59:39 PM
#57
Fact: Greg Maxwell got caught bullshitting over ASICBoost:

https://twitter.com/timothanke/status/849896505653706753
1:08 AM - 6 Apr 2017
Timo Hanke‏: Much conspiracy around #asicboost today. I don't believe SegWit non-activation has anything to do with AsicBoost!

https://twitter.com/mkrohn5/status/851335870200389632
12:27 AM - 10 Apr 2017
Marco Krohn‏: Sam Cole and Guy Corem, who both have developed asic and found asicboost independently basically agree with Timo. What now?

https://twitter.com/digitsu/status/850297884742254592
3:43 AM - 7 Apr 2017
David Jerry: Bitcoin mining engineer refutes Greg Maxwell's claims. “ASICBoost” by Sam Cole:
https://hackernoon.com/asicboost-655a73d48ae4


Your links don't mean anything.  Again Jihan Wu is an obstructionist and he is a threat to the Bitcoin Network. He is putting us all invested at risk! The best thing that can happen is for miners to start pulling out of the antpool and going elsewhere. Also, I highly recommend you pull all your assets out of Hashnest which is a scam anyhow. Jihan Wu is just a robber, period! There would be no reason for me to say these things about him, if they weren't true. I am impartial with no bias. I am not a miner. I am just a Bitcoin investor, and I recognize that Jihan Wu is a major threat to the network, and he needs to be stopped NOW!!

And you're an obvious shill repeating a Blockstream PR script like a broken record. Show us the proof or fuck off.


 haha,

Your not going to get me sink down to your level. There is plenty of proof, including jhan wu's patent on a technology similar to AsicBoost, that accomplishes the same thing, that he is using covertly, and as a result, causing damage to the Bitcoin Network. There is a reason why good miners don't want AsicBoost, or anything like it.

You obviously work for Jihan Wu, or have something to gain by segwit not being activated.


Myself, on the other hand, want a bitcoin network that will send payments instantly, so that businesses can embrace Bitcoin, and the userbase can grow, hence, bitcoin as an asset.

You are money hungry and want to profit from Bitcoin even if you cause its demise, you don't care. 
newbie
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April 13, 2017, 04:42:39 PM
#56
Fact: Greg Maxwell got caught bullshitting over ASICBoost:

https://twitter.com/timothanke/status/849896505653706753
1:08 AM - 6 Apr 2017
Timo Hanke‏: Much conspiracy around #asicboost today. I don't believe SegWit non-activation has anything to do with AsicBoost!

https://twitter.com/mkrohn5/status/851335870200389632
12:27 AM - 10 Apr 2017
Marco Krohn‏: Sam Cole and Guy Corem, who both have developed asic and found asicboost independently basically agree with Timo. What now?

https://twitter.com/digitsu/status/850297884742254592
3:43 AM - 7 Apr 2017
David Jerry: Bitcoin mining engineer refutes Greg Maxwell's claims. “ASICBoost” by Sam Cole:
https://hackernoon.com/asicboost-655a73d48ae4


Your links don't mean anything.  Again Jihan Wu is an obstructionist and he is a threat to the Bitcoin Network. He is putting us all invested at risk! The best thing that can happen is for miners to start pulling out of the antpool and going elsewhere. Also, I highly recommend you pull all your assets out of Hashnest which is a scam anyhow. Jihan Wu is just a robber, period! There would be no reason for me to say these things about him, if they weren't true. I am impartial with no bias. I am not a miner. I am just a Bitcoin investor, and I recognize that Jihan Wu is a major threat to the network, and he needs to be stopped NOW!!

And you're an obvious shill repeating a Blockstream PR script like a broken record. Show us the proof or fuck off.
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April 13, 2017, 04:40:30 PM
#55
Fact: Greg Maxwell got caught bullshitting over ASICBoost:

https://twitter.com/timothanke/status/849896505653706753
1:08 AM - 6 Apr 2017
Timo Hanke‏: Much conspiracy around #asicboost today. I don't believe SegWit non-activation has anything to do with AsicBoost!

https://twitter.com/mkrohn5/status/851335870200389632
12:27 AM - 10 Apr 2017
Marco Krohn‏: Sam Cole and Guy Corem, who both have developed asic and found asicboost independently basically agree with Timo. What now?

https://twitter.com/digitsu/status/850297884742254592
3:43 AM - 7 Apr 2017
David Jerry: Bitcoin mining engineer refutes Greg Maxwell's claims. “ASICBoost” by Sam Cole:
https://hackernoon.com/asicboost-655a73d48ae4



Your links don't mean anything.  Again Jihan Wu is an obstructionist and he is a threat to the Bitcoin Network. He is putting us all invested at risk! The best thing that can happen is for miners to start pulling out of the antpool and going elsewhere. Also, I highly recommend you pull all your assets out of Hashnest which is a scam anyhow. Jihan Wu is just a robber, period! There would be no reason for me to say these things about him, if they weren't true. I am impartial with no bias. I am not a miner. I am just a Bitcoin investor, and I recognize that Jihan Wu is a major threat to the network, and he needs to be stopped NOW!!

legendary
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April 13, 2017, 04:23:49 PM
#54
I think he is the worst thing happened to bitcoin. And i am not talking about ASICBOOST (yet). He and his company bitmain are making bitcoin centralized. How can bitcoin be decentralized while there isn't any real competition between bitcoin miner producers? Bitmain is a monopoly in this business and i am sick of it.
legendary
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April 13, 2017, 04:17:13 PM
#53
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SW will be only activated if %75 of hashpower miners signal it, still consensus.

I think that at this stage of BTC we should have only backward compatible soft-forks.
Those forks should not affect business and suff around BTC.
Probably maybe 1% fee to software creators would be good.
at least Developers would have intention to create BEST STUFF.
Miners will be rolled from one soft fork to another good tested softwork .
Such system would give many developers opportunity to fight with Code Power.
Other devs will sabotage each other at voting stage but this is good best soft will win.
Same time code would be upgraded by best soft all time and EVERYbody can developing something revolutionary.

To many people cry on Core that they monopolize situation but maybe if miners want some changes in that regard they should pay 1% dev tax to best DEV team and stop cry that there is no DEVELOPERS.
There is no many competing developers because NOONE is willing to pay them.
So or miners will pay developers some tax or they can cry a rivers how Core is bad and use their software.
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April 13, 2017, 04:04:48 PM
#52
Instead of fighting with nonsense arguments you could tell BU to take the Core code and only changes the block size limit and then see if miners switch or not, but they went ahead and did a recoding of entire software, that's why their nodes were attacked. do whatever you want just don't split the chain it will cause disaster to happen if bitcoin chain splits.
SW will be only activated if %75 of hashpower miners signal it, still consensus.
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April 13, 2017, 03:48:52 PM
#51
Fact: Greg Maxwell got caught bullshitting over ASICBoost:

https://twitter.com/timothanke/status/849896505653706753
1:08 AM - 6 Apr 2017
Timo Hanke‏: Much conspiracy around #asicboost today. I don't believe SegWit non-activation has anything to do with AsicBoost!

https://twitter.com/mkrohn5/status/851335870200389632
12:27 AM - 10 Apr 2017
Marco Krohn‏: Sam Cole and Guy Corem, who both have developed asic and found asicboost independently basically agree with Timo. What now?

https://twitter.com/digitsu/status/850297884742254592
3:43 AM - 7 Apr 2017
David Jerry: Bitcoin mining engineer refutes Greg Maxwell's claims. “ASICBoost” by Sam Cole:
https://hackernoon.com/asicboost-655a73d48ae4
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April 13, 2017, 03:30:24 PM
#50
I'll have to be giving you a +1 on this with with unconditional support from me. I think the biggest issue isn't that he used AsicBoost in order to gain an unfair advantage against other miners as this is something that any business owner would do in order to further the amount of revenue and then profit at the end of the day.

I think the completely horrid part about all of this is that he isn't showing his support for Segwit on the simple stance that he cares more about his bottom lines and his profits then he'd be caring about Bitcoin as a whole. As we know in order to survive and thrive, we're going to need Segwit to help us.

Jihan, support Segwit or you're head is going to be delivered on a silver platter! Smiley

^THIS!


The point is, that Jihan Wu is opposing segwit, to be able to continue to line his pockets, instead of doing what is best for bitcoin as a whole.  His services as a whole are a scam, LIke his cloud mining... The guy is just a rip-off artist.

Lets get together people and take down the antpool. You guys can easily move to another pool. Don't waste your time cloud mining on hashnet. It's a scam as well. Pull your assets out of bitmain.
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April 13, 2017, 03:27:28 PM
#49
I'll have to be giving you a +1 on this with with unconditional support from me. I think the biggest issue isn't that he used AsicBoost in order to gain an unfair advantage against other miners as this is something that any business owner would do in order to further the amount of revenue and then profit at the end of the day.

I think the completely horrid part about all of this is that he isn't showing his support for Segwit on the simple stance that he cares more about his bottom lines and his profits then he'd be caring about Bitcoin as a whole. As we know in order to survive and thrive, we're going to need Segwit to help us.

Jihan, support Segwit or you're head is going to be delivered on a silver platter! Smiley

^THIS!
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April 13, 2017, 03:05:47 PM
#48

There is proof out there that Jihan Wu is using AsicBoost, or a technology similar to it, which he patented. There is also plenty of proof, that the way Jihan Wu is using it, covertly, is damaging to the network.

I am not your do boy. You guys can search for the proof, but believe me, it's there.

That's just bullshit talk for 'I have nothing'.

The proof is right here that you shills talk a lot of bullshit over nothing.

If you idiots actually have anything solid, it'd be plastered all over the place by now.

Anyone can build their own ASICBoost rigs, Jihan isn't even the only guy who has patent on it.

Shill logic just fails on so many levels.
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