Topic: Who will lose in Ukraine? (Read 287 times)

Op already Ukraine is losing for the fight and their is no two ways about it, and is not something you will use microscope to look at before you know that Ukraine important functioning blocks has being destroy by Russian, but properties is not surely counted for lost if really what they want come to their favor

So only Putin is the only one responsible here? I do not support Putin's actions either that doesn't mean I will only accuse him blindly of starting the war. Why he started the war? A country invades another country either for greed or out of fear. Which emotions does Putin face?


Russia did but NATO didn't. Ukraine's president asks NATO to declare Ukraine a no-fly zone too and if NATO does that there will be a direct conflict between Russian and NATO air forces. Russia declared Ukraine no-fly zone means the Russian air force can only fly in Ukraine air space and will have the right to shoot down or force-land any aircraft they want. If NATO does the same then just think what will happens there.

Russia declared Ukraine a no fly zone a long time ago
https://www.flightradar24.com/31.1,70.95/3 Why is there so much air trafic to west africa?

Putin started this war. Check your root cause analysis, lol.

They are saying they will take no part in the war but at the same time, they are supplying Ukraine with weapons. Not only both countries but also the whole EU's resources will be depleted because of the war. Other NATO members are also providing help to Ukraine and even many countries are thinking about sending peacekeeping missions to Ukraine with will lead to a direct conflict between NATO and Russia.

If NATO really sent a peacekeeping force or declare Ukraine air space as a no-fly zone then Europe will be responsible for another world war.

Imposed severe financial sanctions on Russia, which will ultimately affect all parties, sent money and military aid, and provoked Putin. Don't get me wrong, I condemn the invasion of Ukraine, however, I believe that the rest of Europe shouldn't have intervened, since NATO and EU recently announced that it's an issue that Ukraine will have to resolve themselves. Why did they intervened in the first place?

Yes, as they have demanded, they will be independent states. It's the peoples choice so it will be. Some outsider (Zelinski) has no say in the matter.
I decide who lives (or goes in and out) in my side of the detached house and not the neighbor on the other side.



Oh, and as to who is loosing
https://youtu.be/6AcFx5i7Ngs
Chinese reporter https://youtu.be/wlA9a4Lczxw

Its over
https://twitter.com/i/status/1504140455302217734

Take your medication and take a nap. Kherson will be recaptured in about a week.

Peace will be achieved when all Russian soldiers in Ukraine will be killed or captured.
Crimea, Donbas, and Luhansk will be freed from Russian occupants.

Pro-Putin Russians in Crimea are already fleeing, they are dumping real-estate at 50-80% discount. Check out Simferopol for sale real estate.
All occupied regions will be cleared from seditious, anti-Ukrainian groups.

it stands firm behind a corrupt political elite

that surpresses autonomy movements while couped itself onesidedly violently into power in the 2014 coup


secondly mr. put-in is more important than a jewish comedian that from a religious context

thirdly: Capitalism doesn't work well for christians with Jewish Comedians in Power Putin has to do the Dirty work for all.

The Wests blind support for Jews no matter how corrupt is escalating the war, as they continue to take Zelinski serious.

and fourth Point:

The EU is not a European Institution its filled with Western Outlandish Western Europeans, and Transatlantic Western Imperialists,

if it would have been European, it would have Taken mr. put-in serious when he repeated over 8 years over Genocide in the Donbass.

The Truly European EU Diplomats would have demanded from Zelinski to give Autonomy to the Donbass, since they didn't wanted a Jewish Comedian as Leader.

the way to peace is:

1. Acknowledging the Genocide in Donbass
2. Making Ukraine Politically and Economically Neutral,
3. Starting the Reconciliation process based on the crimes of the past.
4. restore religious and spiritual life in ukraine (muslim christian jewish)

5. and never ever put a jewish comedian into power again (especially not in states with conflicting and surpressed groups). its not funny, its dangerous.
6. make the EU truly Europan and remove Transatlantic Outlanders, so something like this doesn't happen again.
7. restore economic and cultural ties with russia, russia is becoming more dangerous and religious if its not connected with the west.
if a war with russia would happen it could become a big afghanistan

8. remove the stupid democrats from power in the usa they create only chaos in the world, syria, afghanistanand Lybia where made islamist republics by the USA

What did NATO do to escalate the situation?

NATO unnecessarily escalated the situation and then fled the scene, claiming that they'll take no part in the war, after creating absolute chaos. War sucks for both sides, both countries' resources will be depleted and their citizens devastated, leading to a financial depression throughout the whole European continent. People are always the true victims of war.

This is the only correct answer.

I see the sentiment from those virtue signaling by displaying a Ukrainian flag on social media bios or demanding that NATO get involved and engage in a combat war with Russia that somehow Ukraine is able to scrap together the remaining pieces of rubble in decimated buildings and call themselves okay. That somehow Ukraine is able to come back from the destruction. I suppose a "winning" in Ukraine could be perceived as the Ukrainian government remaining self sufficient, oppose to Zelenskyy outright being murdered. But that doesn't bring back any lives or property back.

I'd take it a step further and argue that everyone has already lost, and the continued occupation of Ukraine is merely digging the hole deeper.

There's a distinction between taking control of strategic targets, and "winning". It does seem likely that Russia will take control of its key targets at some point... but every act of aggression, every new civilian killed, creates more anti-Russian sentiment amongst the population. The only way that Russia can realistically end the war is by removing/forcibly relocating all Ukranians. Otherwise, resistance will continue indefinitely.

So who will lose in Ukraine? Arguably, everyone.

True. There are no winners in war, all parties are losers more or less, Human casualties & collateral damage is on both side of the borders. Eventually Ukraine will have to accept Russian demand to keep NATO away from its borders because it can't fight with Strong Russian army for long time without support of westren countries and peace agreement will be signed between the two countries.

The innocent people lose on both sides. This war could be looked at differently because when one superpower is losing thier grip to hold power, it seeks ways for the counterpart to fail while the counterpart also tests whether the superpowers are still holding grounds. We are on the verge of shifting who will be the next hegemony.

Since the US printed a lot of money to support thier economy, it loses its power. Although they have the advantage right now because the USD is the global reserve, it's losing its value and their government has to find ways to blame for thier failure. The crash of USD has long been foretold, it's overdue they just keep bailing out but this time it's different because the world obviously is divided.

For now, it's going in the direction where the West will be isolated when the EU finally comes to realize they need to find their own gas supply and has to rely on the Middle East.  The East will also be isolated and all these could happen in a short period of time.

Russia will lose. The post-Putin Russian government will have to pay huge compensation to Ukraine. Russia will probably lose some territories
as a result. China will probably move in North of Manchuria, Japan will get the Kuril Islands and maybe Kamchatka. Georgia will get their territories back.  Chechnya will gain independence etc.

Russia will either remain a pariah state or go through Perestroika II and become a progressive, social democracy.

Everyone will lose In Ukraine

At home: we lose through higher Gas, Oil and Wheat Prices.

the biggest Losers will be Ukranian Men that defend their Jewish Comedian President, that doesn't want to Stand for the 8 year Genocide in Donbass.

in the West Many People will lose, not just Material, but also Ideological and Mentally:

The left won't be able to pretend its purely Communist and will be forced to Admit its Woke racist Agenda

The right will be forced to Admit that Nationalism doesn't work as it creates to Many Divisions.

the Jews, Christians and Muslims in the West will end up with a Government that denies a Genocide, which will make the people More aggressive Again.

Russians and Chinese Will End up being forced into a Big Eurasian Alliance, it will depend on Putin himself to prevent the Taliban and the Indians to not be able to be taken as a Weapon against this Big Union.

because there Are Many potential Alliances. Muslims hate Zelinski, for their own reasons. so thats Why the Taliban will rather side with the Eurasian Union instead of the West.

Oh and Last but not Least:

The United States Might end up having no Government Anymore. with Innerparty Infighting and Two Parties being unable to Cooperate we might see the End of this with a Collapsing USA the Quickest.

regards

Unfortunately, both country's citizens will have to the bruises, death rates, economic hardships and mental health issues caused by a war they never wanted: A war instigated by angry politicians.

It's amazing how citizens (especially less than average citizens), get to see their tax money been used for a war and sometimes, die in the process of it.

I wish politicians would seek Diplomatic means to resolve issues rather than let them escalate into national and international catastrophe. I WISH!

the losers are the children of the successors of the Russian and Ukrainian nations, civilians and many more,
I hope that this war will end soon and a new atmosphere will be created without another ceasefire, and benefit both parties.

Ukraine has been steamrolled multiple times in its history so I would say it's possible it'll be eventually under Russian control again. It's not really like Afghanistan and Vietnam where the locals have hard terrain they can fall back on to mount guerrilla warfare from. Who loses from this war? The public really. Ukrainians first as they die or are left homeless and the Russians later as they suffer from sanctions.