Whoops out of smerit. Should there be a way to buy some from theymos? - page 2.

John Abraham

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Dave, I would like to share my opinion.
Everyone will suggest you share the best post to merit sources if you are out of sMerits. There are a couple of threads where merit sources gave a chance to people to inform them about their excellent posts. But I understand you don't want to post there just for a few posts. Or, it's more accurate to say it's easy for you to merit the post you wish to instead of waiting for someone to do it. Everyone has a different point of view. In your opinion, a post may deserve a couple of merits, while others can argue.

I would say, Why not Apply to become a merit source since you are an Established forum member? Spending money on the forum just to merit posts won't be a good idea.

Quote from: DaveF on December 11, 2022, 09:07:21 AM

To me being a merit source would probably make me feel like I have to go out and send merits. More like an obligation.

I understand your concern. Don't take it as an obligation. You are an active member and you spend a decent time here. You will spend your sMerits without realizing that it's getting finished just like The Sceptical Chymist. It's volunteer work. You don't have to worry about that. At least, I feel this way.

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Quote from: DaveF on December 11, 2022, 08:25:53 AM

Just went to merit a bunch of posts and ran out before I finished. Eliminating the become a merit source option, how about something like a copper membership so you can post images, a way to buy some merits from the source.

Would have to be handled on a case by case basis, since you don't want to be selling merit to someone who might abuse it. But, a couple of bucks for 50 or so merit might not be the worst deal.

Or I just start making notes and when I get some I send some. Never thought about it until now.

EDIT: This is not a beg for merit since something like that would only work once (now) but a more in general thing. I get some now but run out again in 7 months and wind up in the same situation. But throw a couple of dollars into the bitcointalk treasury and get some would be a workable thing.

-Dave

Tacked on 12 more I wanted to see if a post can read over 50 merits as 50 is the monthly limit.

First post now reads 60 merits as I gave 48 in dec and 12 now total of 60 merits.

2double0

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Quote from: philipma1957 on December 13, 2022, 06:58:29 PM

I have 1000 merits to give as I type. I am a merit source. It is tiring to give merits out and I know Dave since 2014 maybe 2013. He lives in the Next state and does a lot of business in my state. He is level headed and if he wants merits he got what I could give him.

That is great. I hope I didn't offend you because I already add the phrase 'just kidding' as it was not meant to insult or provoke you at all. TBH, they are your sMerits and so your choice to give them to whomsoever you want to. Wink

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I have given more than 10000 merits as a source it is work. I run my signature as a public service almost all the time. (I did a 4 week paid campaign this year) 1st one in over 4 years.

That is highly commendable (applaudable) 👏

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I do think that a legendary person looking to buy merits in December is not a bad idea.

all year long it is a lousy idea.

available to every member it is a lousy idea.

I get your point there, but I also asked a question and maybe you could help.

Should a legendary be allowed to buy just sMerits (sendable merits) only or will it also add up doubled number to their total earned merits too?

BitcoinGirl.Club

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Quote from: NdaMk on December 12, 2022, 01:23:10 PM

Since you feel so sometimes or lately as you said, then why not consider being one. I thought merit source is given to people that merit good posts often even though it’s a voluntary work. If you run out of Smerit and still feel like given more good posts that are worthy of it, then consider being a merit source too, it’ll be helpful to forum and you’ve contributed well here too.

Good question and it is not the first time I heard it 😉
For me being a merit source means you have a burden (unspoken as no one is forcing you) to perform a job that is given to you. You want it or not, you will feel a pressure to yourself if you regularly do not look at posts from others and evaluate them. But when I am not a merit source, I am free. I will send merit to when I like, whoever I like. No one can justify my job as I am not in a commitment. It's the commitment that I do not have to be a merit source yet. If I ever feel I am ready then I will give it a go for sure.

Quote from: Coyster on December 12, 2022, 02:00:56 PM

i think it somewhat discourages users from going through the stress of collecting ten undermerited posts in order to apply to be a MS.

If anyone is not willing to give the time to find only 10 posts that worth receiving merit then he does not deserve to be a merit source before anything else 😂

philipma1957

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Quote from: 2double0 on December 13, 2022, 06:25:19 PM

If I understand correctly, are you proposing to buy just sMerits (sendable merits) only or will it also add up doubled to you total earned merits too?
I'm too skeptical on this but I think merit sources already get enough sMerits to distribute between the community for their contribution, the only exception are the ones who are not doing it because of their respective reasons. Theymos may consider to take away those unused sMerits and recycle them by circulating them among active MS instead of allowing to buy sMerits.

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 13, 2022, 05:18:45 PM

I hit my limit of 50 a month for 1 member by giving you the 48.

As for the topic :

Maybe it is a legendary perk only?

Sorry for the interruption but is that an sMerits bribe or a way to say that my part is done, now you may continue? Roll Eyes

Just kidding Grin

I have 1000 merits to give as I type. I am a merit source. It is tiring to give merits out and I know Dave since 2014 maybe 2013. He lives in the Next state and does a lot of business in my state. He is level headed and if he wants merits he got what I could give him.

I have given more than 10000 merits as a source it is work. I run my signature as a public service almost all the time. (I did a 4 week paid campaign this year) 1st one in over 4

years.

I do think that a legendary person looking to buy merits in December is not a bad idea.

all year long it is a lousy idea.

available to every member it is a lousy idea.

2double0

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If I understand correctly, are you proposing to buy just sMerits (sendable merits) only or will it also add up doubled to you total earned merits too?
I'm too skeptical on this but I think merit sources already get enough sMerits to distribute between the community for their contribution, the only exception are the ones who are not doing it because of their respective reasons. Theymos may consider to take away those unused sMerits and recycle them by circulating them among active MS instead of allowing to buy sMerits.

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 13, 2022, 05:18:45 PM

I hit my limit of 50 a month for 1 member by giving you the 48.

As for the topic :

Maybe it is a legendary perk only?

Sorry for the interruption but is that an sMerits bribe or a way to say that my part is done, now you may continue? Roll Eyes

Just kidding Grin

philipma1957

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'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: DaveF on December 11, 2022, 08:25:53 AM

Just went to merit a bunch of posts and ran out before I finished. Eliminating the become a merit source option, how about something like a copper membership so you can post images, a way to buy some merits from the source.

Would have to be handled on a case by case basis, since you don't want to be selling merit to someone who might abuse it. But, a couple of bucks for 50 or so merit might not be the worst deal.

Or I just start making notes and when I get some I send some. Never thought about it until now.

EDIT: This is not a beg for merit since something like that would only work once (now) but a more in general thing. I get some now but run out again in 7 months and wind up in the same situation. But throw a couple of dollars into the bitcointalk treasury and get some would be a workable thing.

-Dave

I hit my limit of 50 a month for 1 member by giving you the 48.

As for the topic :

Maybe it is a legendary perk only?

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Quote from: DaveF on December 11, 2022, 08:25:53 AM

Just went to merit a bunch of posts and ran out before I finished. Eliminating the become a merit source option, how about something like a copper membership so you can post images, a way to buy some merits from the source.

Just relay them to me and I'll have them merited until you get a replenishment.

The Sceptical Chymist

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on December 11, 2022, 02:59:35 PM

Shouldn't now be the right time to effect the Matthew principle of taking from those who don't have and pilling it on those who have and implement it as a practical reality here then? I don't see any reason certain MS will go to sleep after their honourary selection for a task.

That's the thing: I don't think some merit sources see the postition as an honor--particularly those who didn't apply but who were made sources back in 2019 (I'm one of them). I'd imagine the people who went through the trouble of creating an application thread and got accepted do see it that way, but not everyone had the same path to becoming a merit source.

And yes, any merit source who isn't circulating merits at an acceptable rate (but who knows what that is?) should be replaced. The problem is that nobody knows what Theymos is thinking or if he's keeping an eye on the data.

One good thing is that there hasn't been an outcry from the community that it's become way too difficult to rank up. I'd think that if there were far too few merits going around, members would be creating threads in Meta stating as much (or they'd be starting up obvious merit-begging ones). So the system might be running pretty smoothly.

Coyster

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Quote from: NdaMk on December 12, 2022, 01:23:10 PM

Since you feel so sometimes or lately as you said, then why not consider being one. I thought merit source is given to people that merit good posts often even though it’s a voluntary work. If you run out of Smerit and still feel like given more good posts that are worthy of it, then consider being a merit source too, it’ll be helpful to forum and you’ve contributed well here too.

You don't just consider yourself to be a MS and then you get it, there's a procedure through applying for the position and being a reputable user, though there are some MS's that were personally approached by theymos himself for the position. Thus even if you merit good posts often, it doesn't mean you automatically get the voluntary work, you still have to apply, and since there are quite a lot of MS applicants waiting to be selected, i think it somewhat discourages users from going through the stress of collecting ten undermerited posts in order to apply to be a MS.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on December 12, 2022, 09:04:26 AM

Lately are we running out of sMerits? Few days ago it was The Sceptical Chymist, now it's you. I am not a merit source, I don't want to be too, not in the near future but sometimes I feel I don't have available sendable merits too.

Since you feel so sometimes or lately as you said, then why not consider being one. I thought merit source is given to people that merit good posts often even though it’s a voluntary work. If you run out of Smerit and still feel like given more good posts that are worthy of it, then consider being a merit source too, it’ll be helpful to forum and you’ve contributed well here too.

Agbe

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on December 11, 2022, 08:33:31 AM

It would be better if theymos can automatically make people that has over 5000 or more merits to be a merit source, even if only little would be given.

I don't think more Merit sources are needed in the forum because the ones we have now are crying of lacking or out of source Merits before one or two weeks. And these merit sources have been asking theymos for top up of merits but theymos has not been able to even allocate 50 extra to one source therefore if all the legendary members who has 5000 + merits become Merit source where will theymos have the merit to allocate to all when the present ones also need merits. My opinion in this merit issue is that, theymos should increase the allocation of the merits for the merits sources both the local boards sources. Or if there is enough merits in his merit generating bank then more Merit sources are needed but if it is not then he should increase the present sources allocation.

The merit sources are ready to work now and the merits are not enough for them so theymos should look into the matter. No community population is bigger than it resources...

BitcoinGirl.Club

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I wish I could help with large number but consider at least some better than nothing from me.

Lately are we running out of sMerits? Few days ago it was The Sceptical Chymist, now it's you. I am not a merit source, I don't want to be too, not in the near future but sometimes I feel I don't have available sendable merits too.

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Quote from: RapTarX on December 11, 2022, 10:16:56 AM

Wouldn't that create a mess? Some account farmers would buy a few lots and then distribute them among their accounts to build up their accounts faster. These days there are a lot of signature campaigns around & I guess this would be a fantastic business idea for them LOL. Spammers would be everywhere; it would be hard to identify them sometimes as they would have so many earned merits.

That is a good point but aren't we all able to understand while they are distributing merits among them? I mean, everyone here is quite smart to understand the difference between a spammy post and an original/valuable post.

But I admit these business-minded people will surely find a way to make it look real Grin

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on December 12, 2022, 04:19:00 AM

The above idea would easily fit the narrative of more people acting as Merit Sources (albeit by delegation), having no buy/sell ties to the concept, but rather extending the idea of trust as a basis (the Merit Source trusts the dMerit Source enough to pass on a certain amount of sMerits to another person).

That would be much more work to implement than just making OP a Merit source. He Merits the right posts, so why shouldn't he be one? For now, I'll just send some sMerits his way the old fashioned way, by Meriting his good posts.

DdmrDdmr

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I don’t particularly like the idea of being able to purchase sMerits, even if those allowed to do so were cherry-picked by the Admins and/or Merit Sources. Essentially, the wrong message could be read on the forum, whereby some privileged people were purchasing Merits (the word-of-mouth would probably spread that Merits were being purchased, not sMerits).

An easier to sell concept would be something like this:

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<…> A concept such as a delegate merit source may help. @Jet Cash used the term "dMerits" back in 2018, and the idea would build on top of that: Allow for Merit Sources to designate 1 Delegate Merit Source, and transfer a percentage of their own allowance (sMerits; not having to merit them first so they could sMerit others).
The idea behind being that you’d have more eyes on the board, derive new sources through delegation (delegating therefore the required conceptual trust on level down the chain). Of course it may not be ideal, since the Merit Source and delegate may roam the same boards and perhaps have similar meriting likes. <…>

The above idea would easily fit the narrative of more people acting as Merit Sources (albeit by delegation), having no buy/sell ties to the concept, but rather extending the idea of trust as a basis (the Merit Source trusts the dMerit Source enough to pass on a certain amount of sMerits to another person).

The board rules may need to be given a thought (i.e. only applies to Merits Sources above with a certain threshold of sMerit – not the smaller ones), but it doesn’t seem like something too complicated from a conceptual point of view.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on December 11, 2022, 10:09:47 AM

Quote from: DaveF on December 11, 2022, 09:07:21 AM

~snipped~

Other merit sources have become inactive and maybe don't feel like it's a "job".

Shouldn't now be the right time to effect the Matthew principle of taking from those who don't have and pilling it on those who have and implement it as a practical reality here then? I don't see any reason certain MS will go to sleep after their honourary selection for a task. It will do the community a lot of good if their merit "sourceship" is revoked and handed over to those whose applications for merit are still pending. I think it will be better that way.

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I run out of smerits quite a lot these days, or get close to being totally out, as like to keep <10 smerits in my satchel for emergency situations, where I see a really exceptional post. With a pending merit source application, the best I can do is wait and try to earn more merits.

Reporting here is an option, but doesn't cross the mind often.

I briefly thought about a thread where reputable members (who ardently give out merits),, can report their accounts to be merited by sources, with the sole purpose of getting more smerits.
Some could see it as a way for users to abuse the system and blur the lines that define "reputable", but for me, it doesn't matter if a few users get more merits (they should be above 1000 to qualify), as long as it's circulating around more.

Hispo

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I believe the idea has some appeal and it could have some benefits, one of the main problems I see it would be the indirect encouragement for the creation of a market for merits, since we would be fixing an "official" price in satoshis for those bought merits. So I remain mostly leaned not to implement this.

On the other hand, if the administration decided to give this idea a try I would personally recommend to set some restrictions on those bought merits, to avoid abuse by some users: restrict this offer to reputable members of the community, daily/weekly limit to send those merits, etc.

I believe things work good enough as they are and it would be bad to over-complicate things.

Would not be more interesting for us to have the chance to revert 3 of our received merits into 1 smerit? So if someone actually wants to send (and does not have any smerit), there would be a path to, with an intrinsic "tax" to discourage abuse

My two sats.

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I don’t think theymos selling merit would be a good idea because it would somewhat establish a market for buying/selling merit that would likely be abused. It also seems a little backwards, as handing out merit is a bit of a job, not some great privilege. If anything, those handing out merit honorably should be getting some sort of support from the forum, not the other way around.

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