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Topic: Whos paying more Russians or USA ? (Read 2483 times)

newbie
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October 08, 2014, 03:02:53 PM
#53
In fact, this so-called "liberal democracy" model usually has nothing to do with democracy.

In the democracy we have the people's will as a source of the political power. But here (i.e. in the liberal-democratic model) money replaces the people's will after a critical point of development, becoming a source of real political power. Liberal society could employ a democratic regime at some stage, but such condition is unsustainable. Plutocratic regime is a common result of the wealth distribution in the liberal society. If you have a good propaganda machine then plutocracy is a far more sustainable condition of the liberal society, because a large part of electorate is unable to understand the real order of things, and unwittingly supports the plutocratic regime.

Russia limits free speech with ambiguous language and unchecked decentralization of power. Ambiguous legislation such as the Law on Extremism allows local authorities to extend powers based upon personal or local whims, largely with the intention and consequences of marginalizing minority groups.

www.choose.tv/tv-online-from-russia
sr. member
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July 28, 2014, 02:33:40 PM
#52
You are a socialist right ?
legendary
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July 28, 2014, 01:46:21 PM
#51
In fact, this so-called "liberal democracy" model usually has nothing to do with democracy.

In the democracy we have the people's will as a source of the political power. But here (i.e. in the liberal-democratic model) money replaces the people's will after a critical point of development, becoming a source of real political power. Liberal society could employ a democratic regime at some stage, but such condition is unsustainable. Plutocratic regime is a common result of the wealth distribution in the liberal society. If you have a good propaganda machine then plutocracy is a far more sustainable condition of the liberal society, because a large part of electorate is unable to understand the real order of things, and unwittingly supports the plutocratic regime.
sr. member
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July 28, 2014, 12:54:59 PM
#50
I think Russia does not have as developed PR system as US does.
Russia does have a PR machine. It is the state run media.
Sorry to disappoint you but we have virtually no state-run media.  Roll Eyes The most of russian media are private held companies and autonomous organizations. Notorious exception is the "1st Channel", which is declared as a private held company too but 51% of shares are owned by state.

Actually I miss some really state controlled TV channels, because the modern private held mass media are filled by commercials, shitty TV shows and other useless crap. Even the "1st Channel" is filled by the stupid commercials about everything. That's the reason why I don't have TV anymore.

but the problem is that russia is an oligarchy, and rich people are bound to have ties to the state. it's similar to here in the U.S.

who doesn't think roger ailes, rupert murdoch, shelden adelson, george soros, et. al don't have direct connections with our politicians?

i do think american politics runs under more of a guise of "free speech and democracy," while still being state-influenced.. at least compared to other countries.
legendary
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July 28, 2014, 10:00:39 AM
#49
I know that USA and Russia employs paid posters who pays more? What is the requirements?

This could be a start for your quest. From 2011.


http://www.technologyreview.com/view/426174/undercover-researchers-expose-chinese-internet-water-army/

sr. member
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July 28, 2014, 06:29:04 AM
#48
I've seen some in Russian section, but I can't find it now. It seems that these messages were deleted.
Oh... parents will pay not more for Internet then... life in Lithuania is hard.
legendary
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July 28, 2014, 06:24:35 AM
#47
Because ~80% of topic readers added him to ignore lists. I suppose that new shitposting account has been created.

I see no fresh shit from the same source.
I've seen some in Russian section, but I can't find it now. It seems that these messages were deleted.
sr. member
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July 28, 2014, 06:19:03 AM
#46
Tell me one media that openly oppose Putin
No problem:

http://www.echo.msk.ru/

They're available online or at 91.2 FM.
Is that "anti-Putin" or "anti-Russian"?
http://www.snob.ru/selected/entry/78868

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sr. member
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July 28, 2014, 06:17:52 AM
#45
Because ~80% of topic readers added him to ignore lists. I suppose that new shitposting account has been created.

I see no fresh shit from the same source.
legendary
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July 28, 2014, 06:06:40 AM
#44
Because ~80% of topic readers added him to ignore lists. I suppose that new shitposting account has been created.
sr. member
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July 28, 2014, 05:54:56 AM
#43

However, the Russian sub-forum may be riddled with paid posts (If they have a Russian SF)

I suspect, that this guy is just killed: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pagan-81677

How do you know? He is your comrade?

He stop to copy-paste Kiev shit and disappear.
legendary
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July 28, 2014, 04:08:24 AM
#42
Tell me one media that openly oppose Putin
No problem:

http://www.echo.msk.ru/

They're opposing Putin constantly online and at 91.2 FM.

private media still have no power to oppose a powerful leader like Putin.
I've always had a respect for the people with well-developed imagination. But money could help you to oppose anybody, even if it's a god himself.  Smiley
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July 28, 2014, 03:56:02 AM
#41
I think Russia does not have as developed PR system as US does.
Russia does have a PR machine. It is the state run media.
Sorry to disappoint you but we have virtually no state-run media.  Roll Eyes The most of russian media are private held companies and autonomous organizations. Notorious exception is the "1st Channel", which is declared as a private held company too but 51% of shares are owned by state.

Actually I miss some state controlled TV channels, because the modern private held mass media are filled with commercials, shitty TV shows and other useless crap.

Tell me one media that openly oppose Putin, private media still have no power to oppose a powerful leader like Putin.
legendary
Activity: 3108
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July 28, 2014, 03:23:04 AM
#40
I think Russia does not have as developed PR system as US does.
Russia does have a PR machine. It is the state run media.
Sorry to disappoint you but we have virtually no state-run media.  Roll Eyes The most of russian media are private held companies and autonomous organizations. Notorious exception is the "1st Channel", which is declared as a private held company too but 51% of shares are owned by state.

Actually I miss some really state controlled TV channels, because the modern private held mass media are filled by commercials, shitty TV shows and other useless crap. Even the "1st Channel" is filled by the stupid commercials about everything. That's the reason why I don't have TV anymore.
sr. member
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July 28, 2014, 02:57:45 AM
#39
then again, i don't know WTF to believe anymore.

I believe the place where there is the more freedom. But here i see many American thinking they live in "tyranny"... they should come here in France and try our government to understand USA still a good place to be. USA have many problem but still better.
sr. member
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July 28, 2014, 01:41:35 AM
#38
kinda funny.. someone just posted a pro-russian book, and i read 2 of the sample chapters.. it felt like a propaganda book.

look here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-talented-mr-putin-what-the-media-wont-tell-you-about-russia-713736

then again, i don't know WTF to believe anymore.
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July 27, 2014, 11:54:25 PM
#37
I heard China is paying 50 cent per post. They even call their group the 50 cents brigade.
full member
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July 27, 2014, 11:50:58 PM
#36
I know that USA and Russia employs paid posters who pays more? What is the requirements?

Who are those paid posters?
legendary
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July 27, 2014, 11:19:41 PM
#35
I think Russia does not have as developed PR system as US does.
Russia does have a PR machine. It is the state run media.

True but the Americans have had that since they took it from the Germans in WWII so it's not really a difference in terms of propaganda and media controls.
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July 27, 2014, 10:37:08 PM
#34
https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/2277

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Directs the Secretary of State to increase efforts to strengthen democratic institutions and political and civil society organizations in the Russian Federation.

For "democratization of Ukraine" they give 5 billion of $.
http://youtu.be/dpweM36L7Tw?t=2m30s
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