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Topic: Why are people buying asic mining shares? are they insane? - page 4. (Read 9352 times)

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I never got an answer. Just some first grade math here:

1) 2.5 BTC per share -> 0.036 weekly dividend = 0.145 btc a month = 17 month breakeven
2) 50 BTC (20 shares) = 3 btc a month
3) 50 BTC buys you a 13 GH asic card = 12 BTC a month  (factor in whatever difficulty increase it is still significantly better income, and keep in mind the mining shares dividend are also impacted by the difficulty increase).

So i really dont understand why anyone will buy asic shares? what is the point? the return on those are terrible, on top of absolutely insane counterparty risk dependent on some guy who is running a black box that tells you what dividend he will pay. 

Why would you not just have a physical card you own with no dependency on third party and make significantly more btc as income?  Yet so many smart people are buying those shares...there must be something i am missing?

waiting to be enlightened...

Your looking at this completely wrong.  Your comparing apples and oranges.  When you buy shares of a company on the stock market, I dont know anyone that asks how long until the dividends completely repay the investment 100%.  The shares alone hold the value.

You are not considering the capital appreciation if the share prices rises, which it most likely will.  At any time you can sell back the shares and get the initial investment (and more) back so you dont have to sweat "breaking even"

For a piece of hardware however you do look at it that way... You want to know how long until you repay the initial investment because you are not able to sell the hardware down the line at the price you paid for it.  13 gh a month does not get 12 BTC either.  The way that hashing is increasing, you will be lucky to break even in a year.  

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1) 2.5 BTC per share -> 0.036 weekly dividend = 0.145 btc a month = 17 month breakeven

what is the point? the return on those are terrible

 Roll Eyes

Canada Savings Bonds: 1% return per year
High-interest savings account: 2-3% per year
Average stock portfolio: 9% return per year
ASICM shares: 60% return per year (@ BTC3)

what you seem to be missing here is the fact that you can sell your shares.

it's not a "17 month breakeven", it's DOUBLING YOUR INVESTMENT IN 17 MONTHS.

at the end of that 17 months, you have earned BTC2.5 in dividends, and you also have a share that's hopefully worth BTC2.5 or more.

only on bitcointalk will you find someone who says a stock with a 60% return is a terrible deal. i wonder what qualifies as a good deal?

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you're missing the fact that you still have the value of the shares at the end.

if you buy a miner, you've lost that money (or it will depreciate in value until it is gone) and your hash rate is fixed - with an asic miner share, it can go up, (or down), and the hash rate you get will change upwards over time as they deploy new hardware.
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if you buy ASIC hardware, you are fighting difficulty for a year without any chance of increasing your hashrate.  You would be right if difficulty was always going to be constant, but it's not.  Friedcat has a lot of money available to advance his technology, so he has the ability to fight a steep difficulty incline.  In 6 months, your hardware could be garbage as the 2nd generation of ASICS are ruling the network, then you will wish you had AM shares..
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A weekly dividend of more than 1% is very good.
And if the performance continues like it is, the shares will probably increase in price.
So bottom line: good investment.
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Someone is sitting in the shade today...
the only valid explanation i heard is that you also get one-off dividends from hardware sales...so let me ask how much have you "shareholders" actually received per share for the hardware sales so far?
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Someone is sitting in the shade today...
I never got an answer. Just some first grade math here:

1) 2.5 BTC per share -> 0.036 weekly dividend = 0.145 btc a month = 17 month breakeven
2) 50 BTC (20 shares) = 3 btc a month
3) 50 BTC buys you a 13 GH asic card = 12 BTC a month  (factor in whatever difficulty increase it is still significantly better income, and keep in mind the mining shares dividend are also impacted by the difficulty increase).

So i really dont understand why anyone will buy asic shares? what is the point? the return on those are terrible, on top of absolutely insane counterparty risk dependent on some guy who is running a black box that tells you what dividend he will pay. 

Why would you not just have a physical card you own with no dependency on third party and make significantly more btc as income?  Yet so many smart people are buying those shares...there must be something i am missing?

waiting to be enlightened...
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