Topic: Why are people so eager to pay tax? - page 8. (Read 13586 times)

Quote from: Hawker on April 22, 2013, 05:48:39 PM

I cannot wait until people who do not pay taxes are kicked out of the country.

You misread the image. Its income tax only that they don't pay. The reason they don't pay income tax is that their income is too low. For example, a guy who works all his life in low paid jobs, retires at 70 with no savings and lives on his social security.

So those people do not want to contribute their fair share?

Again you misread the image. They do pay their fair share. Income tax is tax on income above a certain level because its a waste of time and effort chasing peons for pennies. When they work, they generate payroll tax. When they spend, they generate sales tax. But what they don't do is earn enough income to cover the cost of assessing their tax returns.

In simple terms, if you want to charge the very poor income tax, then you have to raise income tax on the rest of the population as well. Since the very poor don't generate enough income to matter, all you would be doing is raising taxes on the rest of us. No thanks.

That is fine. As long as they do not use the services paid for by taxpayers.

They are taxpayers but they are not paying income tax at the moment.

Since you don't understand this, let me give the example again. A guy who works all his life in low paid jobs, retires at 70 with no savings and lives on his social security. While he worked, he paid income tax and generated payroll tax. His wife stayed at home with the kids and did not. Both he and she are below the level at which income tax applies. Both are entitled to use any services for which they are eligible. As they should be...

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I cannot wait until people who do not pay taxes are kicked out of the country.

You misread the image. Its income tax only that they don't pay. The reason they don't pay income tax is that their income is too low. For example, a guy who works all his life in low paid jobs, retires at 70 with no savings and lives on his social security.

So those people do not want to contribute their fair share?

Again you misread the image. They do pay their fair share. Income tax is tax on income above a certain level because its a waste of time and effort chasing peons for pennies. When they work, they generate payroll tax. When they spend, they generate sales tax. But what they don't do is earn enough income to cover the cost of assessing their tax returns.

In simple terms, if you want to charge the very poor income tax, then you have to raise income tax on the rest of the population as well. Since the very poor don't generate enough income to matter, all you would be doing is raising taxes on the rest of us. No thanks.

That is fine. As long as they do not use the services paid for by taxpayers.

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Quote from: chufchuf on April 22, 2013, 05:24:32 PM

I cannot wait until people who do not pay taxes are kicked out of the country.

You misread the image. Its income tax only that they don't pay. The reason they don't pay income tax is that their income is too low. For example, a guy who works all his life in low paid jobs, retires at 70 with no savings and lives on his social security.

So those people do not want to contribute their fair share?

Again you misread the image. They do pay their fair share. Income tax is tax on income above a certain level because its a waste of time and effort chasing peons for pennies. When they work, they generate payroll tax. When they spend, they generate sales tax. But what they don't do is earn enough income to cover the cost of assessing their tax returns.

In simple terms, if you want to charge the very poor income tax, then you have to raise income tax on the rest of the population as well. Since the very poor don't generate enough income to matter, all you would be doing is raising taxes on the rest of us. No thanks.

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Quote from: qxzn on April 21, 2013, 01:41:58 PM

I cannot wait until people who do not pay taxes are kicked out of the country.

You misread the image. Its income tax only that they don't pay. The reason they don't pay income tax is that their income is too low. For example, a guy who works all his life in low paid jobs, retires at 70 with no savings and lives on his social security.

So those people do not want to contribute their fair share?

No, it's those people that are less skilled, less intelligent, and less strong.

So, do they not use government services?

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Everyone seems to agree that it's "moral" to pay your taxes, and immoral not to pay taxes.

If I am being robbed in the alley, how is it moral or immoral for me to hand over my money?

Most people believe that it is moral to rob someone. They go out of their way to justify that morality with things like roads and schools and firemen. But they are still justifying theft.

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I cannot wait until people who do not pay taxes are kicked out of the country.

You misread the image. Its income tax only that they don't pay. The reason they don't pay income tax is that their income is too low. For example, a guy who works all his life in low paid jobs, retires at 70 with no savings and lives on his social security.

So those people do not want to contribute their fair share?

No, it's those people that are less skilled, less intelligent, and less strong.

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I cannot wait until people who do not pay taxes are kicked out of the country.

You misread the image. Its income tax only that they don't pay. The reason they don't pay income tax is that their income is too low. For example, a guy who works all his life in low paid jobs, retires at 70 with no savings and lives on his social security.

So those people do not want to contribute their fair share?

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