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Topic: Why are some people still skeptical about climate change? - page 2. (Read 22215 times)

legendary
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"The survey of scientists was conducted online with
a random sample of 2,533 members of the American
Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), from May 1 to June 14, 2009"

Page 11, your "study" (poll) http://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/legacy-pdf/528.pdf

It represents 2533 people. If you have evidence that further supports your assertions present it. Otherwise stop claiming this source supports your assumptions.

xD

*Drops the mic*
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
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My point is what I say my point is, not what you say my point is.

But... IT IS A PROOF OF GLOBAL CONSENSUS!!!!

It is EXACTLY what I said it is ><

And your ad hominem attack doesn't change anything!

"The survey of scientists was conducted online with
a random sample of 2,533 members of the American
Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), from May 1 to June 14, 2009"

Page 11, your "study" (poll) http://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/legacy-pdf/528.pdf

It represents 2533 American scientists. If you have evidence that further supports your assertions present it. Otherwise stop claiming this source supports your assumptions.

P.S. learn what an ad hominem attack actually is.
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1251
My point is what I say my point is, not what you say my point is.

But... IT IS A PROOF OF GLOBAL CONSENSUS!!!!

It is EXACTLY what I said it is ><

And your ad hominem attack doesn't change anything!
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
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Un-giving up so soon? My point is you are lazy and you don't even bother to read YOUR OWN SOURCE material, and claim it says things it does not say. Probably doesn't matter, what matters is YOU are making the claim and YOU have the burden of proof. Just guessing and assuming is not science.

No no I'm not debating. You're completely right. My source doesn't support anything. It's useless and has no link to my claim. You're right on everything you've said.

Well I am glad you can passive aggressively and in a sad attempt at irony admit that.

What do you want in the end?

Science is a global peer to peer work. Scientists exchanges with others all around the world all the time. There is a reason why any scientific work is done in English...
I put a source saying 94% American scientists believe climate change is real and your point is "it's not a global consensus because it's only America" Huh

What can I answer to that?

My point is what I say my point is, not what you say my point is.
legendary
Activity: 1344
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Un-giving up so soon? My point is you are lazy and you don't even bother to read YOUR OWN SOURCE material, and claim it says things it does not say. Probably doesn't matter, what matters is YOU are making the claim and YOU have the burden of proof. Just guessing and assuming is not science.

No no I'm not debating. You're completely right. My source doesn't support anything. It's useless and has no link to my claim. You're right on everything you've said.

Well I am glad you can passive aggressively and in a sad attempt at irony admit that.

What do you want in the end?

Science is a global peer to peer work. Scientists exchanges with others all around the world all the time. There is a reason why any scientific work is done in English...
I put a source saying 94% American scientists believe climate change is real and your point is "it's not a global consensus because it's only America" Huh

What can I answer to that?
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
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Un-giving up so soon? My point is you are lazy and you don't even bother to read YOUR OWN SOURCE material, and claim it says things it does not say. Probably doesn't matter, what matters is YOU are making the claim and YOU have the burden of proof. Just guessing and assuming is not science.

No no I'm not debating. You're completely right. My source doesn't support anything. It's useless and has no link to my claim. You're right on everything you've said.

Well I am glad you can passive aggressively, and in a sad attempt at sarcasm admit that.
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1251
Un-giving up so soon? My point is you are lazy and you don't even bother to read YOUR OWN SOURCE material, and claim it says things it does not say. Probably doesn't matter, what matters is YOU are making the claim and YOU have the burden of proof. Just guessing and assuming is not science.

No no I'm not debating. You're completely right. My source doesn't support anything. It's useless and has no link to my claim. You're right on everything you've said.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
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Sigh... its sad that so many lazy and or ignorant people demand to be spoon fed all the time rather than actually taking the time to analyze really simple stuff. I promise using your brain stops hurting after a while once you get used to it.

He is claiming that his source represents a GLOBAL consensus among scientists, which is not at all what his source says. His source is a POLL of a small portion of ONLY AMERICAN scientists, but not like any of you take the time to read your own sources right?

Yes, we are done here.

Omg do you know how scientific fields actually work? ><

Just... Just...

Oh man I don't know anymore.

Ok let's say you're right. Only American scientists believe that global warming is man made. Rest of the world is probably believing something else. I don't care at this point, in sight of so much bad faith no one can do anything. It's litteraly impossible.

Un-giving up so soon? My point is you are lazy and you don't even bother to read YOUR OWN SOURCE material, and claim it says things it does not say. Probably doesn't matter, what matters is YOU are making the claim and YOU have the burden of proof. Just guessing and assuming is not science.
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1251
Sigh... its sad that so many lazy and or ignorant people demand to be spoon fed all the time rather than actually taking the time to analyze really simple stuff. I promise using your brain stops hurting after a while once you get used to it.

He is claiming that his source represents a GLOBAL consensus among scientists, which is not at all what his source says. His source is a POLL of a small portion of ONLY AMERICAN scientists, but not like any of you take the time to read your own sources right?

Yes, we are done here.

Omg do you know how scientific fields actually work? ><

Just... Just...

Oh man I don't know anymore.

Ok let's say you're right. Only American scientists believe that global warming is man made. Rest of the world is probably believing something else. I don't care at this point, in sight of so much bad faith no one can do anything. It's litteraly impossible.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
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Quote me exactly the line from your source please where it says 94% scientists globally support your claim. This is your claim... you produce it.

Last time I checked 84+10=94

Read the article he posted again.

You know, I keep reading it over and over again, and I don't see any reference to globally...


Quote me exactly the line from your source please where it says 94% scientists globally support your claim. This is your claim... you produce it.

Last time I checked 84+10=94

Read the article he posted again.

You know, I keep reading it over and over again, and I don't see any reference to globally...

Scientists do live outside of America.

Learn to read and get back to me.

You just like to argue with random people on the Internet, for no apparent reason.  Do you need validation?
Is that it?

As for the article, it says 94% of scientists agree that global warming is happening.

I think we are done here.


Sigh... its sad that so many lazy and or ignorant people demand to be spoon fed all the time rather than actually taking the time to analyze really simple stuff. I promise using your brain stops hurting after a while once you get used to it.

He is claiming that his source represents a GLOBAL consensus among scientists, which is not at all what his source says. His source is a POLL of a small portion of ONLY AMERICAN scientists, but not like any of you take the time to read your own sources right?

Yes, we are done here.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
Quote me exactly the line from your source please where it says 94% scientists globally support your claim. This is your claim... you produce it.

Last time I checked 84+10=94

Read the article he posted again.

You know, I keep reading it over and over again, and I don't see any reference to globally...

Scientists do live outside of America.

Learn to read and get back to me.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
Last time I checked 84+10=94

Read the article he posted again.

No it's pointless.

Give it up. I should have done it years ago... But everytime I tell myself "ok this time you stop answering this pitty individual" he goes on with something bigger.

The worst thing is that contrary to BADECKER he doesn't have the honesty to say he's just being a religious fanatic. He tries to argue there is some sccientific logic behind what he says and he spits so much NONSENSE about scientific methodology and science in general...

My years of studies in scientific field and the tons of people I know currently doing research is just making me eager to kick his ass for his disrespect...

Yes, scientific methodology is such nonsense right? xD  You know people who do research...well gee I guess their knowledge is magically imparted to you now isn't it?

Ah yes, right as you are faced with admitting your statistic does not represent the "global consensus" you claimed it did, now you "give up", again, for like the 5th time now... uh huh.

Buddy, if you ever even set eyes on me you would turn tail and run.
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1251
Last time I checked 84+10=94

Read the article he posted again.

No it's pointless.

Give it up. I should have done it years ago... But everytime I tell myself "ok this time you stop answering this pitty individual" he goes on with something bigger.

The worst thing is that contrary to BADECKER he doesn't have the honesty to say he's just being a religious fanatic. He tries to argue there is some sccientific logic behind what he says and he spits so much NONSENSE about scientific methodology and science in general...

My years of studies in scientific field and the tons of people I know currently doing research is just making me eager to kick his ass for his disrespect...
jr. member
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I have no idea how, why and how much the climate is changing, but I KNOW this:

cca 25 years ago, we had snow from like mid November to February (Ofc, not the WHOLE time, all the time, but there was a lot of it).

For the last....10 years or so?  If I see snow for more than a week (and that's like 1-3 times per WINTER), I'm shocked
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
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Quote me exactly the line from your source please where it says 94% scientists globally support your claim. This is your claim... you produce it.

Last time I checked 84+10=94

Read the article he posted again.

You know, I keep reading it over and over again, and I don't see any reference to globally...
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1251
Quote me exactly the line from your source please where it says 94% scientists globally support your claim. This is your claim... you produce it.

No. I'm done with you. If you can't even read a 5 pages academic source there is NO WAY you can engage in a scientific debate.
legendary
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ALL SCIENTISTS... GLOBALLY... mmkay. I will let you have fun on a snipe hunt trying to source that like a good little monkey. Now go... source your claim Mr. smarty pants.

Like... That was litteraly my post one page ago?

Just to remind you you're a bit alone here.
http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/section-5-evolution-climate-change-and-other-issues/

94% of scientists agree that global warming is real and 84% that it's human based.

How does it feel to be in the same bag as people claiming Earth is flat or evolution is a lie?

Do you suffer from short term memory loss? Cause that would explain a lot.

Quote me exactly the line from your source please where it says 94% scientists globally support your claim. This is your claim... you produce it.
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1251
ALL SCIENTISTS... GLOBALLY... mmkay. I will let you have fun on a snipe hunt trying to source that like a good little monkey. Now go... source your claim Mr. smarty pants.

Like... That was litteraly my post one page ago?

Just to remind you you're a bit alone here.
http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/section-5-evolution-climate-change-and-other-issues/

94% of scientists agree that global warming is real and 84% that it's human based.

How does it feel to be in the same bag as people claiming Earth is flat or evolution is a lie?

Do you suffer from short term memory loss? Cause that would explain a lot.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
ALL SCIENTISTS... GLOBALLY... mmkay. I will let you have fun on a snipe hunt trying to source that like a good little monkey. Now go... source your claim Mr. smarty pants.
legendary
Activity: 1344
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As far as I am concerned you lost the argument from the get go with your unscientific statements which when reminded of, you responded with ad hominem insults.

Any idea how ridiculous that is?


Less ridiculous than considering science is built through empirical data I hope.

What do you do when a blind man is saying you're wrong about the color of a picture? Do you have any idea how exhausting it is to explain to a child something while he's denying it simply because he decided he won't listen? This is exactly what's happening here.

You have the balls to claim a worldwide scientific consensus is false and based on unscientific evidences and reasonning while thousands of studies and professionnals have diligently digged up the subject.

You're the one claiming 94% of the scientist of our planet are wrong about what science is about.

How ridiculous is that?

You talk about it being a cult while you refuse to act any near to a scientifical way. You refuse evidences that are considered as accurate and satisfactory by pretty much anyone without justifying yourselves. Then you refuse to answer what evidence you would consider admissible because "the burden of proof is on the one making the claim".

How ridiculous is that?

If you weren't in a country where a degree needs to go in debt maybe you would have had the occasion to actually go to school and educate yourself. Then maybe you wouldn't say such nonsense as "empirical data is the core of science" which is both false and an insult to all the scientists.

But hey, I'm the one who is ridiculous I guess?

Though I'm not the one acting exactly like a religious fanatic saying "but where is the proof that god doesn't exist?" Because that's what you're doing here. "Where is the empirical proof linking CO2, human activities and climate change?" is not a valid question simply because there can't be a proof. You ask for empirical data, "not theory, not simulation, real data" well guess what? The only way to obtain such data would be to clone our universe and observe it without humans.

So either educate yourself or stop trying to act like scientist. You're fanatics, not scientists, and you're acting EXACTLY like flat earthers or evolution denyers.
-> going against a global scientific consensus without pointing at scientific incoherences
-> refusing evidences without any reasons
-> claiming those evidences are "not enough" exactly like evolution denyers asks for "the missing link"
-> refusing to say "this evidence would convince me" because you know damn well there would be someone to find it considering the amount of work done in the field.

How ridiculous is that?
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