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January 12, 2021, 10:53:50 AM
#32
All I am trying to say is that she did nothing wrong to get these negative trusts

And what we are trying to say is that those trusts look, but are not negative.  They are simply pointing out the account is dead.

Our feedback lets newbies know they should not trust the account should it reawaken, but they can still trust the feedback the account left.
isn't lauda's account permanently banned by theymos? is there any possibility a parma banned account can be hacked and start posting and scamming people?


The account's banned just like Sathosi's. There's no valid password for logging in to account Lauda.
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January 09, 2021, 02:29:30 AM
#31
As described below, I believe that I was inadvertently responsible for this.  I intended to settle it with DTs via PM, but didn’t get around to it.  I request that everyone who has red-tagged Lauda for the purpose of warning that she’s gone should agree to neutralize negative feedback.

Because the Lauda account is permanently disabled from login, to use it for posts or PMs requires obtaining administrative-level access to undo whatever theymos did.  If a hacker were to obtain such access, he could simply delete all negative feedback from the trust database; therefore, the red tags are completely useless for their stated purpose of warning people that this account should never make new posts or PMs.

Such a hacker could also post as Satoshi.  In this aspect, why should Lauda’s account be treated to a different standard than Satoshi’s?  —Or should we all now red-tag Satoshi’s account, for no reason but to warn people not to trust new posts or PMs from uid=3?



Unfortunately, I started the trend:  I was the first to red-tag Lauda’s account.  I did it because she asked me to, at a time more than seven hours before theymos arrived on her goodbye thread.  Or to be more precise:  I asked her if I should tag her account, and she said yes.

From my perspective, it was a very bad moment.  The question of my tag on Lauda’s account was low in my priorities, and would be for some time.

Lauda herself obviously had no way of knowing with certainty how theymos would handle this; and it is no secret that she was still online when I tagged her account, because she sent merit to this (albeit not specifically to this*):

Merited by Lauda (5)
I have tagged Lauda’s account.  I advise that DT should do likewise.

(I will now edit that post, which is hereto unedited.)

By the time that theymos replied, Lauda was long gone.

It's sad to see you go. Although there were various small bits of drama and conflict, you've been one of the most active and dedicated members of the community over the course of several years. (And if there's no conflict, then probably nothing is actually being accomplished.) I hope that you're not in any actual danger, and I hope that you will be successful in whatever you choose for your future.

I will request that theymos ban the "Lauda" account (u=101872)

Done. Lauda is banned in the same way as satoshi, such that it isn't possible to even log into the account anymore.

At that point, I saw my tag as an historical artifact.  I couldn’t ask Lauda if she wanted me to untag her account.  But I didn’t think that it was too important, because I am not in DT; and anyone who trust-includes me must be savvy enough to know to ignore my tag on Lauda.  Thus rather than deleting anything, I countered my own tag with new positive trust feedback, so that Lauda is +2/-1 from me.

This is my current feedback to Lauda, excluding some neutral notes:

Trust summary for Lauda

Trusted feedback

nullius2020-10-21ReferencePrincipled. No hypocrisy. — What money the account *could* have sold for! Or she was perfectly set up for an exit scam.

Honesty is what one is, not only what one does.
nullius2020-10-19ReferenceStarting with the date of this feedback, do NOT trust any further interaction with this account, or with anybody claiming to be Lauda. All of Lauda’s cryptographic keys have been revoked, and there is no way to contact her.
nullius2020-03-04Lauda is superlatively trustworthy with confidential information which she has promised to keep as such. I say this based on my substantial experience with her handling of confidential information. For obvious reasons, I cannot publicly disclose evidence of that experience; nevertheless, I will personally vouch that I would trust her with almost anything. — Also, I would trust Lauda (and have trusted Lauda) with money that I could not afford to lose—with no better recourse than opening a Reputation thread, if she were to steal it.

I will now neutralize my red tag (d=271846).


* After I sent her 50 merits, and she thus had 25 sMerits, Lauda sent 5 merits each to the first four replies on her thread.  This happened to include two of mine.  She then sent her last 5 sMerits to Satoshi’s last post, and disappeared.
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January 08, 2021, 09:19:35 AM
#30
Would it have been possible to have converted the username into that of a bot? Just a simple single-response, "this bot is not active" (or the like), and it's not in any danger.

I hope the privacy settings were set appropriately, since theoretically someone could "time" the deletion of the GrumpyKitten account to begin a malicious takeover.
It seems to me that connecting a bot is too much ... Calculating the time for deleting an account is not so easy (as I said, a reset can happen much later). Unless of course you devote a lot of time to this issue, including monitoring, etc. There is another way to get the @GrumpyKitty name, but it is highly unlikely that anyone will succeed, (provided that you prove that you own the same username on at least two of these services: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram).

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Spear the bees
January 08, 2021, 08:32:30 AM
#29
So the settings that I have set will allow for at least a year not to worry about someone taking over Lauda's @username.
Would it have been possible to have converted the username into that of a bot? Just a simple single-response, "this bot is not active" (or the like), and it's not in any danger.

I hope the privacy settings were set appropriately, since theoretically someone could "time" the deletion of the GrumpyKitten account to begin a malicious takeover.
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January 08, 2021, 08:21:48 AM
#28
What does this mean?   Will the name be registerable again in a year?

«By default, Telegram gives you 6 months of inactivity before deleting your account, to help the company conserve disk space on its servers. This means that if you don't log into your Telegram account during that period of time, your whole account will be wiped away ... groups, messages, contacts ... »

I have not been active in the telegram for a long time, but at least before there were just such rules ... Account deletion can happen much later, I remember cases when the @username remained active and for two years (not deleted). So the settings that I have set will allow for at least a year not to worry about someone taking over Lauda's @username.
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Licking my boob since 1970
January 06, 2021, 05:27:53 PM
#27
  • The account will be automatically deleted in at least a year, (I have set the maximum time range).

What does this mean?   Will the name be registerable again in a year?
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January 05, 2021, 11:04:43 PM
#26
False sense of security, protectionalism, yada yada..

Not only that, certain users duplicated Lauda's distrust list, so if they then we're to actually review those negatives and find they no longer were correct we would then have an issue with a DT2 user's negative showing up which would give the impression that a user being accused has a red mark against their name which as it turns out is false.

(And that doesn't include the dozens of hysterical negative trust feedbacks Lauda left towards the end).
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January 05, 2021, 09:15:20 PM
#25
False sense of security, protectionalism, yada yada..
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January 05, 2021, 01:16:16 PM
#24
Quoting:
In addition to leaving the forum for good, Lauda also deleted his Telegram account, (as it turned out). To prevent anyone from being tempted to use this username for fraudulent purposes, I have re-registered this username, (let someone quote this post).

  • I registered a new account, set a @GrumpyKitty and threw away the sim card.
  • I have set the maximum privacy settings (for calls, chats, etc.).
  • The account will be automatically deleted in at least a year, (I have set the maximum time range).
  • I set an additional password and logged out.

If still needed, contact me on telegram: @GrumpyKitty.



I left a neutral tag. Since theymos banned Lauda the same way as satoshi, there is no risk of abusing the account. The sheer number of tags should be enough to get anyone's attention now anyway.
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January 04, 2021, 02:26:44 PM
#23
In addition to leaving the forum for good, Lauda also deleted his Telegram account, (as it turned out). To prevent anyone from being tempted to use this username for fraudulent purposes, I have re-registered this username, (let someone quote this post).

  • I registered a new account, set a @GrumpyKitty and threw away the sim card.
  • I have set the maximum privacy settings (for calls, chats, etc.).
  • The account will be automatically deleted in at least a year, (I have set the maximum time range).
  • I set an additional password and logged out.

If still needed, contact me on telegram: @GrumpyKitty.
legendary
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January 04, 2021, 09:44:37 AM
#22
If I understand correctly, the OP is worried about the tags Lauda left to all the scammers. He believes that if someone leaves her negative reviews, then these reviews may thereby affect the negative reviews left by Lauda to scammers.

But OP, you have been on the forum for a very long time but did not understand the whole story.
Lauda is trusted by several DT members, her feedback, regardless of her presence on the forum, will be displayed in red to anyone she has left a negative trust. Everything will remain the same.
Therefore, you, as a real honest person Smiley, can also add Lauda's name to your trust list.
https://loyce.club/trust/2021-01-02_Sat_05.06h/101872.html

 And someday, perhaps by becoming a DT, you will also be able to influence Lauda's reviews.

They will come here again scamming, bumping threads, shilling and I am expecting alot of these accounts to get some positive fake feedbacks that will bring these accounts "back to life".


You just urgently need to study this topic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/loycevs-beginners-guide-to-correct-use-of-the-trust-system-5191802
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January 04, 2021, 12:13:53 AM
#21
The scenarios you describe are applicable to any forum member with positive trust. It would probably be more likely to happen to a more active user because the Lauda account will show as last active as of a long time ago.

It's not as if it's an equivalency where all users thereby deserve negative trust to invite more awareness, although theymos should definitely do some trust feedback backlink on first-time PMs. The difference between Lauda and active users is that they can respond. It's a unique situation, bearing in mind the only other candidate we have to offer is satoshi, whoever they are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Again, anyone who were to visit Lauda's profile would see that he last logged into his account in October 2020. The time between the current date and the last logged in time should set off red flags to trading partners (even if it was the 'real' person behind the account).

We have also seen that the ability to respond to a PM is not a sufficient safeguard against these types of attacks. Someone was recently able to scam using The Pharmacist's name/reputation by impersonating him. A scammer could go a step further and study a person's posting patterns to conclude their sleeping patterns and/or times in which they are unlikely to respond to any PMs they receive.
Vod
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January 03, 2021, 09:11:33 PM
#20
Why does X sponsor scammers and weasels thread bumped and discussed as long as people and friends feel is necessary

You would think so, but the price is so high I think most manager's requirements have drooped just a little.  If Quickseller and OG can get banner campaigns, I doubt one sponsor will want to lose advertising to another just over scamming accusations.  :/
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January 03, 2021, 08:58:40 PM
#19
I cant believe any sponsor would pay such as slimy cunt. Actually I should ask them to explain why soon.

Please don't do that - you'll probably give him a raise. :/  

Well maybe I'll test that out soon no sponsor likes a

Why does X sponsor scammers and weasels thread bumped and discussed as long as people and friends feel is necessary

Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
January 03, 2021, 08:56:37 PM
#18
I cant believe any sponsor would pay such as slimy cunt. Actually I should ask them to explain why soon.

Please don't do that - you'll probably give him a raise. :/ 
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January 03, 2021, 08:48:21 PM
#17
PeasantKing or faucetscrounger

Who gives one fuck what you think? What the fuck have you achieved here?

Maybe someone reviewed the evidence that lauda was a confirmed scammer?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lauda-scammer-extortionist-nullius-twat-double-standards-cheater-5231720

Have a read then stfu.
Now fuck off back to begging and getting crumbs from faucets.

If you still want to eat some scammer ass. I'll pass the word around.

Now when you can debunk the evidence in the link that clearly and undeniably demonstrates lauda was a scammer.
Then I may consider letting you slurp from my ever giving faucet.

Lauda should have way more red.

Also that dumb fuck primenumber7 aka QS was the primary proponent for lauda having red tags until he cut a deal after lauda punked his weasel ass on this forum.

Every time I see that weasel cunt here blathering on about how lauda shouldn't have red I cant believe any sponsor would pay such as slimy cunt. Actually I should ask them to explain why soon.

Happy new year scumbags.

Atriz? Lauda on this alt now? Are these not the 50 merits traders that got busted ? Alts or whatever?
Vod
legendary
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January 03, 2021, 08:42:40 PM
#16
Perhaps a tombstone icon and some sort of note placed on a UID if/when theymos disables sign-in on a user profile?

How often do we expect this to happen?  We don't want to destroy a decade long reputation of free speech here with rumors Theymos is disabling accounts unfairly...

From what Lauda typed, it will be impossible for someone else to login from that account.  No need for official recognition someone has left the forum.
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January 03, 2021, 05:58:46 PM
#15
Account was banned like satoshi.

A banned user can still log-in.

IIRC the Lauda account's sign-in has been disabled in much the same way as Satoshi and more recently the debacle with Bruno's main account (not the already banned one people seem to have forgotten about) which *should* have had sign-in disabled once Bruno fell silent and funeral notices started to appear.

Perhaps a tombstone icon and some sort of note placed on a UID if/when theymos disables sign-in on a user profile?
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Spear the bees
January 03, 2021, 04:27:47 PM
#14
The scenarios you describe are applicable to any forum member with positive trust. It would probably be more likely to happen to a more active user because the Lauda account will show as last active as of a long time ago.
I would rather have everyone check the trust ratings of all members they transact with as well as verify who they're talking to.

It's not as if it's an equivalency where all users thereby deserve negative trust to invite more awareness, although theymos should definitely do some trust feedback backlink on first-time PMs. The difference between Lauda and active users is that they can respond. It's a unique situation, bearing in mind the only other candidate we have to offer is satoshi, whoever they are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

When I PM another user on Bitcointalk to confirm the transaction as a Newbie, they can respond saying, "what in the hell are you talking about?" What does Lauda do in this scenario? (PMs are blocked, afaik)
If the difference is nil and there is even a miniscule difference in consequence, isn't the choice obvious? At least in the current state, I no reason to touch the trust ratings (positive or negative).
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January 03, 2021, 04:15:52 PM
#13
isn't lauda's account permanently banned by theymos? is there any possibility a parma banned account can be hacked and start posting and scamming people?
her bitcointalk account have no chance to be hacked and used for scam or impersonating.
It's not necessary to own the same account to impersonate the user.

Let me toss a few scenarios and see what sticks. There's always a way to fool someone:

1. 'Lauda' registers on the forum, the username is not recognized as fake and the user links to the original account via a PM to other, ignorant users as an attempt to scam. Users see green trust, automatically trust.
2. Lauda impersonators on other platforms message Newbies, link to original account as proof, use whatever means of social engineering to trick user into believing they are the original Lauda.
You could simply leave some neutrals, but I think the idea of marking an account that is 100% inoperable with a red trust should be done at least once.

The scenarios you describe are applicable to any forum member with positive trust. It would probably be more likely to happen to a more active user because the Lauda account will show as last active as of a long time ago.
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