Topic: Why are you not at Wall Street? - page 2. (Read 8289 times)

http://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/RAE9_2_3.pdf

You aren't referring to Hel are you? You know she's a she. Quite fitting I think (female ruler of hell that is). I suppose if one lays with the animals the offspring are bastards as well. Who did you have in mind?

I am self employed.

Now then, on to the crux of your beliefs.. 


You fail to recognize that monopoly is a fundamental flaw of free market capitalism.  Once a company is so big it is integrated into all facets of life, it becomes impractical if not impossible to choose alternatives.  Additionally the barrier to entry is skewed, because the monopoly can manipulate the market so easily.  And as with the case of major banks, they can commit egregious crimes and go unpunished because they can simply buy the judges and lawmakers.

A second lesser problem with the free market is that it takes time for the market to self correct, and statistically speaking, that's thousands of years before a relevant sample happens... That is, we live ONLY in the short term, where variance is king.  Thus, sacrificing some long term expectation for variance reduction is the most stable way to proceed.

And I'm not pissing and moaning, I'm directly trying to explain to you the error in your thinking in the hopes that you or others who read this will be persuaded and change their worldview, and thus make the world better off.

You believe that everybody has a chance to compete, and it's their own fault if they don't take it, or even if they don't see it.  That is simply not true.  There are people who are legitimately unable to even have a chance to compete, on any level.  The world is not an Ayn Rand novel.

Hey luv?

Why would I ask you to cite sources? I didn't challenge any stats, I directly attacked the motives, and the actions of the hypocrites who are at Wall St. You say you are thinking of "relocating for a while" from the West Coast... do you have a home, a job, a life on the West Coast? What are you giving up so that you can go to the sidewalks and demand something that you believe (with the apparent weight of wiki statistics!) you are entitled to that you neither worked for, created  or have any part of the maintenance of. A trip across country costs money, and "relocating" typically means you have to give up your means of support, ie: a job, unless you work for an employer who encourages people to not work to go and ask for redistribution of the product of society. So you are willing to abandon a job, or a cushy unemployment check, or living in your Mom's basement to go and ask for the equivalent of Mom's basement for the whole of the under-contributing class?

That's not moral, that's not ethical, and that is not the imperative of what is righteous. That is just plain dumb. Sort of like chopping off your own foot to demand that somebody else buy you a prosthesis. Nobody owes you, or "The Movement" anything other than opportunity to compete. You vision of a world wide Special Olympics where everybody gets to win, and share equally in everything isn't going to happen, because it doesn't work. When everybody is a taker, you run out of givers pretty darn quick, and the powerful elite who have the control in your worker's paradise turn off the faucets of free goodies to keep them for themselves, because there just won't be anybody giving up everything out of free will.

My point being that if you truly have the convictions you claim by wanted to effect a change, do something direct about it. Sell everything that you own, donate the proceeds to a worthy cause, exist on just the bare minimum you need to stay alive so that your good works and energy can nourish those who have less than you, to feed that starving family in Namibia, or to provide an Escalade to the crack whore single mom in Atlanta who feels that she should have one because all the other crack whores have one. Or, if you prefer direct action, do so. Aux barricades, baby! But pissing and moaning about how you want to change the world, either on the sidewalks of financial districts, or in the forum threads of a fairly affluent, privileged and intelligent group of crypto-currency aficionados is really just yelling at the ocean. It accomplishes little beyond allowing you the pleasure of hearing your own voice.

I think that's a fine post, and I'm considering going to New York myself.  I live on the west coast, so it would mean actually relocating for a while, but I could manage.  I'm curious why being on the other side of the globe matters though.  Why does your plane ride being 5 hours longer than mine mean that you can't go?

I am deeply touched by both references, I respectfully acknowledge your intellect, grace, and uncanny insight, Sir.

And here I thought I was merely the bastard step-child of Loki!

I was thinking Raymond Poincaré, but Bokonon will do.

This, I think, is something to remember. If you think something's wrong, the only thing you can change about it is yourself. For example: I think intellectual property rights are stupid, so I publish all of my work in the public domain (unless a previous license would make that illegal, such as the Apache License). Be the change you want to see in the world.

Mikhail Bakunin I will give you, certainly not Adolph.

Calm down Adolf.

Gotta love all those poor disenfranchised Occupiers who gave up their jobs to go and participate in this monumental Circle Jerk on Wall Street. And now we are supposed to feel sorry that you don't have health insurance? But you CAN afford a computer, internet access, and have the electricity and means to participate in the Bitcoin economy? Your writing is lucid, so I suspect you have an education. Are you perhaps the numb nuts who quit his job to go to NYC to demand a job? What exactly is it that you think society "owes" you?

It's called priorities, you need to get some. Why should we, the rest of the world, pay for you to have insurance when you clearly have disposable income that is spent on non-essentials? Because it is "moral", "ethical", or the "right thing to do"? No- it is freeloading. It is being a blood sucking leech to take from others who have the initiative to produce, when you want to seize the product of their labor and investment and use it to subsidize your dependent and entitled lifestyle. You want insurance? Buy it. You want an income? Earn one- its the product of a job. You want to create a change in the world? Work for it instead of whining like a little bitch on the sidewalk about it. There are millions of people on the planet who could use some help, some education, some inspiration, hell even something to eat. You are parasites, coming from a position of enormous privilege and access to have your little protest about equality and demanding that the rest of the world accept your downtrodden world view.

Barring growing up and doing something about it, if you want to change the system, quit pussy-footing around. You don't like the banks? Blow some up. You hate the rich? Kidnap some and demand ransom for their lives. Want medical care? Seize some doctor's kids and hold them hostage until their parents, the doctors, take your appendix out or give you the abortion you desire. Or better yet, get a medical degree and spend your life giving free health care to people who need it. Hungry? Don't wait for a bitcoin donation from some delusional wanna-be in Humpfuckingtulips, Nebraska to clear your Dwolla account so you can order delivery Thai food, march your happy ass into the Thai restaurant and demand what you want.

"Occupying" is a worthless publicity stunt that makes you all look like little crybabies whining for free shit. If you really look hard you might be able to find one pair of balls in the whole damn movement, and then you might think about manning up and actually making a change instead of lame ass street theater for simpletons. The revolution is not made up of whiners and pretenders who want, want, want. It is made by those who are willing to take action, and to put commitment into their lives. The best thing that could happen to OccWallSt would be a sudden freeze and having several hundred of you worthless dimwits freeze solid. Then at least there would be a public outcry about getting people too stupid to get out of the weather to move out of public spaces. Be glad that the Mayor of NYC is a spineless bootlicker, I would have already rolled the tanks. Tienanmen Square your asses pour encourager les autres.

Shit, Bruce is STILL doing more for Bitcoin than most people here... 

Matt, you've been killing it lately. Bravissimo!

Not sure if to make a new thread on this, but at least put this here for you guys to share if you want


http://groups.google.com/group/bitcoinpeople/

No you're not, you are fleeing America to one of its sock puppet states.

I'm changing America by moving to Korea. Also, those people who actually care enough to try and do anything they can, no matter how seemingly futile? They're the real sociopaths.

John Stossel has a long history of saying just about any crazy old thing if it agrees with his libertarian views, including global warming denialism.

Here's Castro speaking out against higher-than-average abortion rates in Cuba:
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/10/17/180314.shtml

So according to Stossel, he's fighting against his own policies? And this monstrous crime of forced abortion also somehow isn't mentioned in U.N. reports or by human rights organizations?

This is the guy you get your facts from. No wonder you're so mixed-up. Go read a book.


I'm getting really tired of capitalist No True Scotsman. Nothing is ever an example of capitalism when it hurts your cause, is it? That's okay. I'm sure the same people who cut cancer patients off their insurance programs to save money will turn into true humanists as soon as you reduce their taxes enough.

But if Cuba is too much of a hot-button-issue country, we could always check out the UHC situation in European countries, nearly all of which pay half or less per capita to insure 100% of their people as we do to insurance 70%.

So what we have here are socialized systems providing a high standard of care for far cheaper than our privatized system (even if it isn't privatized enough for the people who think we should have private roads and no traffic laws) and apparently your answer to that is even further privatization. Because the thing about capitalism is that it gets more brutal to its workers, the environment and everything else the more you deregulate it, but the second you take away that very last regulation, it turns into a utopia and sociopath CEOs turn into care bears. It still hurts my head that people think like this.

So Stossel isn't a legitimate source but Cuban doctors are?  It's not like they don't have an incentive to not be beaten or thrown in jail for saying bad things about Cuba's health care.  Did you watch the part about how the numbers are skewed because they just abort children who will have health issues and don't count them in the statistics?

Also, please don't confuse my lack of support for socialized health care to equate to support for CIA covert action against the Castros.


So....?  Did I say I support the current US health care system?  It's not an example of capitalism.