Topic: Why Arming the Ukrainians is a Bad Idea (Read 2458 times)

so in short the European parliament under the domination of the amerikis supported that. great... mmmoooarrr blloodddd! So they will have to be extradited to Russia, because as we all know the icc only prosecutes those that don't bring the girls as previously contracted. It will get fun, as they don't speak Russian... however expect the classical lines of Nuremberg, I didn't know, I only followed orders, I am a nice guy look at my smile, I have family etc etc... wipe out.

If you cared to read my replies, you'd have noticed the following objective references:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.es/2015/02/ukraine-we-target-civilians-separatists.html

Also, I proposed to use instead of "ethnic cleansing", a more specific and objective " systematic killing of population of the Eastern Ukraine, which is predominantly ethnic Russian".

And one of the more know statements to that end. The translation of the quote goes: "Most of the population of the south east must be simply killed. They are not needed.":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_eZfieMGDo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiVXkfgjPcs

I already asked you to show me which of my statements were not grounded in facts. You failed to do so, so we are going in circles...

You haven't stated many things that will pass as facts. Facts are objective. "Kiev-nazis" is not objective. "Ethnic cleansing" is not objective, it's a propaganda phrase both sides use in every almost every conflict to rally outrage. Your posts are heavily subjective (asserting as facts things that aren't), and pointing that out is enough to discredit them.

An interesting read from Paul Craig Roberts on the way the Western propaganda works:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/05/cowardly-despicable-american-presstitutes/

That's not a propaganda, actually. Obama and Kerry as well as other modern demotards are so left that even Worker's Party of Korea is far-right in comparison with these guys.

He-he, this is closer to the topic.
"Kuzka's Mother" is a reference to the nukes. Everyone remembers the second act of a stand-off from 1960's. Back then, responding to NATO placing nukes in Turkey, USSR sent nukes to Cuba. The great Western propaganda machine turned it into the "Cuban Missile Crisis" and a great victory for the USA. Never mind that USSR removed the nukes from Cuba only after USA pulled theirs from Turkey.

A similar solution can be applied today. If USA insists ons sending lethal weapons to Ukraine, Russia may just say that it in turn has strategic interests in Cuba, Mexico and Panama and send some "democracy building" help in return...

I call them Kiev-Nazis, because that's who came to power in Kiev through a violent coup d'etat. It's a case of calling a spade for a spade.

Ethnic cleansing... How else would you like me to call killing off of the population of Donbass that is based on the language and nationality attribution? The case that a term is loaded does not deprive it of its describing accuracy. But if you prefer: "premeditated killing of Russian population of Dobass".

13 humanitarian aid convoys are well-documented. The rest of the supposed "Russian actions" are pure speculation, devoid of any evidence. Should such evidence exist even remotely, it would be on the front pages of all the Western papers...

I call for Western propaganda only the baseless, factless accusations coming from Western MSM, who parrot the lies, coming from Kiev and don't bother sending their own reporters to Donbass to see what is going on there for themselves. There are Western reporters who don't toe the line, but they are not given air time in MSM. Wonder why...
Believe me (or don't - it's your choice), I lived in the Soviet Union and was on the receiving end of propaganda. I know how it looks and smells like, and just like many other clear-thinking Soviet people, learnt how to look past it, to filter it out. It's sad to see the same tricks being adopted by the free West.

Now, why don't you come up with your own counter-arguments and facts, refuting my points, instead of just saying that it's "propaganda, move along".

EDIT: If you really want a bit of propaganda, let me try writing the following example:

"Obama, Kerry and Stoltenberg are die-hard commies, supporting the tyranny of the Soviet Union legacy. How else can you explain them fighting tooth and claw for the territorial legacy of the Great October Socialist Revolution of 1917 (the first "colour" revolution - red), where Lenin took out chunks of Russia - Malorossia and Novorossia - and turned them into Ukraine, while Stalin took other bits of Russia - South Ossetia and Abhasia - and gave them to his own Georgia. Both acts in violation of all feasible laws."

Well, how about it? Only the first part of the above turned out to sound like propaganda, while I slipped back into truth in the second part. Sorry. Writing real propaganda is hard.

Two references to Kiev-Nazis, loaded term ethnic cleansing, referring to anything you don't agree with as western propaganda, spinning of Russian actions in Ukraine as solely humanitarian, yada yada. None of these are facts, it's all propaganda. Your post is absolutely rife with it.

Hey, americano! Do you know Kuzkinu Mather? Russian Kizkinu Mother!
Here is it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2hvObzZt0g
Good luck! We are waiting you, americano.  

Total BS. Do you think that the industries in Western Europe will survive without the cheap Russian gas? Don't tell me the shale gas BS. It is not going to happen in the next 10 years.

That's... graphic. Need to make a T-shirt with this map


The real problem is that Ukraine is not sovereign any more. It was up until coup d'etat of last year. Now, not a single decision in Kiev is taken before prior visit from some high-standing person from US or EU.

Good luck with that

China and India happily doing business with Russia. Try to don't do business with them and next day you will have the biggest economic collapse in human history. Great solution indeed... :/

I believe I've never used US banking, US oil, US food. Nice try  
About business: Business is done for the mutual benefit of the two parties, isn't it?
If the US wants to isolate itself is OK, but I think that many think Americans do not want it.

I prefer the term stubborn and very pointillist concerning their national sovereignty, however those supporting those atrocities in the MENA are frankly sub humans.

Sounds dangerous. They will become even more isolated, and their thoughts and opinions even more inbred. I think it's important to keep engaging in dialogue, even if the Russians appear to be idiots.

i believe the only solution is after consulting with nato etc, we secretly propose an economic blockade of russia..let them annex the crimea and land to the russian border , sign a peace agreement and again put things back in order..
or, the US and all Nato countries blockade Russia by refusing to do business with Russia and ANY COUNTRY which imports or exports to russia. No banking, no oil, no food, nothing..this means telling every country at a specific time, , you do business with russia, you end all business with us..
they would quickly settle in private and we would save men and resources

LOL

Total crap trying to assert fears about what Russia might do.  It has nothing to do with Russia and everything to do with Ukraine.  That's what's missing here.  Ukraine is sovereign.