Topic: Why Arming the Ukrainians is a Bad Idea - page 2. (Read 2427 times)

Just wait till Ukraine gets the EU membership. 90% of the population will emigrate to Germany and the UK. The Hungarians and Romanians can resettle Ukraine with their own people.

It's not called propaganda, it's called stating the obvious, stating the facts. And I don't need to post any kind of propaganda at all - I make do sticking to verifiable truth.

For the quote above, that you designate as propaganda, please study the following articles:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.es/2015/02/ukraine-we-target-civilians-separatists.html

In conjunction they factually cover my statement pretty well.

But once we are on the topic of propaganda, can you, please, point out exactly the other cases of it in my post - you sound as if it's full of it.

It's funny you talk about western propaganda while using language like this:


Amidst the other Russian propaganda in your post. You have no credibility to talk about propaganda when your own posts are so full of it.

Arming uninformed, pissed off people is always a bad idea regardless nationality.

thank you, some will need to learn it the hard way, including the following poster :


so for this simple mistake, you or people like you nemo will have to explain war the American way to your children and loved one. you may not have the time to prepare them, may you chose the way of the sleep like former manipulator or execution, so I advise you to seriously think about it now, before learning what was done those last 25+ years and the 200 before btw . r.i.p.r., for the obstination of one man. Everyone is too afraid to say to him to stop? you don't want to understand that the cost of facing the murders of the north is getting less costly every day than not facing him, and I don't speak in BTC terms.

and because you are of the ilk that love to lie to exploit, and for me :

What we have in Donbass Iran, are people, who have lived there for centuries, and who have nowhere to go. Yes, they are Russian Persians by ethnicity, so yes, what KievMollah-nazis do with USRUSSIAN support is in effect an ethnic cleansing lack of freedom and oppression. But the people of Donbass Iran are fighting back for their own land and for their right to live, not for Russia America.

I now they are not ethnic Russian as such they can die, or be refugees, or be bombarded or what ever... Russian Military doctrine exposed 101.

Ohh and nemo btw you seems smart, you must get a lot in (expected) returns... What are you after? Puttin succession?

The pedant in me wants to make only one quite small correction to the very amusing rendition of Kievan history by Snail2

Not "a viking guy", but "a varjag guy".

Actually Kiev was a small remote slavic settlement between the 5th and mid-9th century, usually a tributary of the nearest khaganate (huns, avars, gokturks, kahazars, whoever was the boss on the steppes in a given time). In the mid-9th century a viking guy called Oleg got really drunk, wandered quite far with his buddies and woke up in a pub f*ckin far from home with a bunch of killed khazar herdsman and pretty blondes around. That place was Kiev. After realizing where they really are they tought that's actually a good place for establishing a trading post as it's about on the half way between the Black Sea ports and the land of the Novgorod rus. ...and this is the story how Kiev been built .

1) "Kievan Rus" isn't a name of state, it's a name for historical period since 882 until 1240 A.D.
2) Originally Kiev was a part of Khazar Khaganate. In 882 it was annexed by Oleg of Novgorod and then he declared this city as the capital of Rus.

 

Well, romanians used to say such things about neighbouring countries when they see an opportunity for a landgrab (e.g. in the case of Transylvania) .

I always thought that Kiev was born out of Kievan RUS. 500 AD Are you saying that Romanian settlements around Kiev are older than this?

Ooops! Transcarpathia is ancient Hungarian land ! (...and I'm pretty sure Romanians will also discover some evidence of ancient daco-romanian settlements around Kiev.)

"And Russian actions are indeed outrageous"

What are you talking about? The US removed the democratically elected President of Ukraine by way of a Military coup de tat!
Next, that new government embraced Fascism and decided to kill the Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens in Eastern Ukraine!
Russia's actions have always been defensive. They protected the citizens of Crimea who by the way all speak Russian like in Eastern Ukraine. If Crimea hadn't become part of Russia Kiev would be bombing them too right now!

Russia's actions! Russia's actions! What about Kiev's actions! What about America's actions?

NO BODY EVER MENTIONS THAT THE US CAUSED THIS ENTIRE MESS!!

I think Ukraine should immediately give Lwow back to Poland. Hasn't Poland suffered enough, between Hitler's nazi goons and Stalin's bolshevik goons?- that it has to suffer from Hitler's progeny in Kiev now?

Ukraine has no claim over Lwow. Give it back, you abortion of a nation of Demjanjuks!

Western Ukraine to Poland, Eastern Ukraine to Russia! Leave a little concentration camp somewhere in the center, herd them all into it and set it ablaze! Justice will finally be done.

War does not determine who is right - only who is left.

Unless the aim of fomenting that quarrel over the last 25+ years by use of various American "democracy-promoting" grants, was exactly to start a WW3... In which case I can see US going in full monty, as they are are doing now.

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The following bit of the OP article is still conformant to the mainstream Western propaganda line:


The real intellectual break-through in the West will be when they realise that Russia is not present in Ukraine and is not at war with Ukraine. Rather Ukraine is in an imaginary war with Russia. So there is no Russia to retreat in the first place.

What we have in Donbass, are people, who have lived there for centuries, and who have nowhere to go. Yes, they are Russian by ethnicity, so yes, what Kiev-nazis do with US support is in effect an ethnic cleansing. But the people of Donbass are fighting back for their own land and for their right to live, not for Russia.

The "outrageous" actions by Russia so far include: peace brokerage, several hundred thousand tonnes of humanitarian aide, split over 13 convoys, being host to close to a million refugees from the war-zone, and now taking in thousands of young men from Ukraine of conscript age, who don't want to die in a war, imposed on them by Western-backed Nazis.

let's not start ww3 over a quarrel between far away peoples of which we know nothing, didn't we learn the last time

fuck off, this is lies you know it. the bashar Baathist experienced as failed. they should have been all together, Syrians first... the truth as soon as the people of the Sunnah started to ask for a little freedom and power and wealth and prosperity from their allawites masters they receive sinpers round, children arrest, women jailed and finally tnt from the air backed by the Russian who have love affairs with Syrian girls from ussr, and want to stop pipeline from wahabit land... who care iran will get nuked, moskow will get nuked, then we will be able to move to peace.

p.s. and you are not an emperor but a slave. always have always be. Only God is the Greatest.

and that tell anything I need to learn about those that pretend to be pious... aka IRAN I know what you did... will see what the USMIIC will give you, I vote for... ahaha.

Wow... In Syria, the Russians are supporting the secular Assad regime, while the Americans and their Wahabist allies are arming the ultra-fanatic Al Nusra and ISIS. Who is the real terrorist here? 

personally, I except that at one point the Russian will move to outright terrorism... (like they supported in Syria, from the regime aircraft and the growth of the various group to get support), so if you think that Charlie trashpapers or 9.11 for the matter are big, you have never seen Russian combat groups in action... with the end of the Motherland at stakes. be aware, it will be tough.

that's were FIRST STRIKES enter the arena. brutal meet brutaler... until both are exhausted.

to avoid the annihilation of the Russian landmass, both camp have to lose big, one way is to let out gaz from Russian tool box, we let gmo and unclean fracking out. peace, or Russian wants to fuck the world with what ever come next, The Empire find counter solutions, become feed up with the negative aspect, the cost and risk of annihilating Russia are lesser, let's roll. and that's what Russian leadership doesn't want to understand... they want to game and win. they may have already played, now it may time to lose.

If the Americans arm the Kiev junta, it will just encourage the Russians to pour in more and more advanced weapons to the militia. The war will never end and the civilians will suffer terribly.