● Why Bitcoin is Not Mainstream Yet & my Suggestions! ●

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Quote from: mtnsaa on December 08, 2015, 11:13:16 PM

No they shouldn't and they won't, why? Because there is no need for Bitcoin for these people. I don't actually use Bitcoin, it's a complete hassle to buy it alone to then find a store than accept it? It's just not there yet for that purpose. It is of course a new way of thinking about money in this new digital world but that doesn't mean that we should force it down people's throats. Credit cards and paypal do a perfectly good job for most people without all the complications of decimals, converting fiat to bitcoin, wallets, keys and more. Be honest and accept that no average woman would use that anytime soon. I don't say it in a bad way, woman acceptance factor is a deal breaker. But I'm not worried about that because Bitcoin is still developing, I just feel it still can't find its niche or become the standard method of payment for something.

Alrigt then 1st world is not using bitcoin yet (yes they are the most tech savy still).

But what about the countries with crumbling economies (S America, Africa, SE Asia). They have big demand for store of value, and precious metals are not safe in a bad neighborhood or looting governments.

The 1st world will hop in, after many services will be available, we are working on that, but let's speed up the process.

Instead of 30 years, why not wait 3 years only to take off

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Quote from: RealBitcoin on December 08, 2015, 07:15:26 PM

Quote from: mtnsaa on December 08, 2015, 06:31:00 PM

Nice research but honestly it all comes down to just being too complicated and hard to understand for common people. Most of Bitcoin userbase is very tech savvy, they work with computers (not just using smartphone, but they are professionals in the field, engineers, web designers, developers, etc). It's a great unique and disruptive idea, similar to when Internet started but don't expect to be massively embraced anytime soon. Its technology is what's so great so maybe in 5-10 years the concept to new generations would be more innate.

Everyone has a smartphone.

Webwallet+ smartphone. Every person with an IQ over 70 should be able to use that, there is no reason why they cant.

And if they cant, then they should use bitcoin debit card. And those that are entirely technically illiterate like the old people, they should use precious metals then.

Problem solved.

No they shouldn't and they won't, why? Because there is no need for Bitcoin for these people. I don't actually use Bitcoin, it's a complete hassle to buy it alone to then find a store than accept it? It's just not there yet for that purpose. It is of course a new way of thinking about money in this new digital world but that doesn't mean that we should force it down people's throats. Credit cards and paypal do a perfectly good job for most people without all the complications of decimals, converting fiat to bitcoin, wallets, keys and more. Be honest and accept that no average woman would use that anytime soon. I don't say it in a bad way, woman acceptance factor is a deal breaker. But I'm not worried about that because Bitcoin is still developing, I just feel it still can't find its niche or become the standard method of payment for something.

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Quote from: mtnsaa on December 08, 2015, 06:31:00 PM

Nice research but honestly it all comes down to just being too complicated and hard to understand for common people. Most of Bitcoin userbase is very tech savvy, they work with computers (not just using smartphone, but they are professionals in the field, engineers, web designers, developers, etc). It's a great unique and disruptive idea, similar to when Internet started but don't expect to be massively embraced anytime soon. Its technology is what's so great so maybe in 5-10 years the concept to new generations would be more innate.

Everyone has a smartphone.

Webwallet+ smartphone. Every person with an IQ over 70 should be able to use that, there is no reason why they cant.

And if they cant, then they should use bitcoin debit card. And those that are entirely technically illiterate like the old people, they should use precious metals then.

Problem solved.

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Quote from: mtnsaa on December 08, 2015, 06:42:45 PM

Quote from: mexicantarget on December 08, 2015, 06:36:07 PM

The same question could be asked about internet. "Why didn't it become mainstream from the day it got discovered?"

People are just not aware of its potential, they're not informed, they haven't heard of it.
There's lack of interest as well, because of media hyping the "bad" things about it. How people buy drugs, or how they fund terrorist organizations, etc.

I don't think they haven't heard about Bitcoin, it is out there, it's just not needed at all. But maybe sometime it will be needed since we all agree its technology is unique and disruptive like the internet was in 90s.

And all you said well, we can't deny that Silk Road happened and there were many scandals. The black market still moves plenty of BTC per day every day. I know that fiat money does the same but still. With some more years and development under its belt I know it will evolve and become more stable in price (price volatility is still a huge issue in adoption, that's a fact).

It's still funny although, how people think that bitcoin is "evil" man made "currency" and they're being advised to avoid it. While FIAT is moving the entire man-made slavery system, drug markets, weapon markets and all the bad things.

Well, guess people will wake up one day and realize what's going on.

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Quote from: mexicantarget on December 08, 2015, 06:36:07 PM

The same question could be asked about internet. "Why didn't it become mainstream from the day it got discovered?"

People are just not aware of its potential, they're not informed, they haven't heard of it.
There's lack of interest as well, because of media hyping the "bad" things about it. How people buy drugs, or how they fund terrorist organizations, etc.

I don't think they haven't heard about Bitcoin, it is out there, it's just not needed at all. But maybe sometime it will be needed since we all agree its technology is unique and disruptive like the internet was in 90s.

And all you said well, we can't deny that Silk Road happened and there were many scandals. The black market still moves plenty of BTC per day every day. I know that fiat money does the same but still. With some more years and development under its belt I know it will evolve and become more stable in price (price volatility is still a huge issue in adoption, that's a fact).

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The same question could be asked about internet. "Why didn't it become mainstream from the day it got discovered?"

People are just not aware of its potential, they're not informed, they haven't heard of it.
There's lack of interest as well, because of media hyping the "bad" things about it. How people buy drugs, or how they fund terrorist organizations, etc.

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Nice research but honestly it all comes down to just being too complicated and hard to understand for common people. Most of Bitcoin userbase is very tech savvy, they work with computers (not just using smartphone, but they are professionals in the field, engineers, web designers, developers, etc). It's a great unique and disruptive idea, similar to when Internet started but don't expect to be massively embraced anytime soon. Its technology is what's so great so maybe in 5-10 years the concept to new generations would be more innate.

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There aren't really many advertising campaigns for Bitcoin, as usually the owner/creator of a good advertises the good. But since Satoshi is gone, we have to advertise. The problem is, some people don't want to sacrifice their money to help Bitcoin. I cetainly would try if there was a campaign.

Great list though.

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Quote from: RealBitcoin on December 07, 2015, 10:55:34 PM

Quote from: franky1 on December 06, 2015, 03:44:20 PM

but apple and facebook had a fully user friendly end-product. that people could understand and use, without worry or headache.
bitcoin is still a prototype. its not perfect..

so if you really want to do PR. start with businesses right now... hold off on the random average joe for now.. and just get bitcoin more user friendly and useful
then later, once you can see an easy path for:
people to easily understand
people to buy bitcoin
people to work for bitcoin
people to use bitcoin to buy real life stuff (meaning toilet paper not specialist / limited list of stuff)
people can use it faster than 10 minutes (meaning its better then a 40 second debit card transaction)

then and only then will it be ready to mass market to common average joe folk.
until then, concentrate on the business, financial and technical industries

Well then a revamping of the bitcoin.org site is needed. I dont really like the design of it, it is pretty sketchy and the labels suck and the menus are very badly designed.

Bitcoin.org should be a copy paste of litecoin.com (with orange+white color theme).

You need to put the definition of bitcoin first with a video in the middle, then below the features, and on the top of the site the menu with buttons and dropdown menus.

Probably with an index of merchants, as litecoin has. Bitcoin only has only the bitcoin wiki listed merchants, but not on the site, which is bad.

You got it right it's just little bit of change to over all website and make it more user friendly to attract more users and also easily understandable and one more thing I feels about Bitcoin is lacking in exposure so educate people about BTC.

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Quote from: RealBitcoin on December 07, 2015, 10:55:34 PM

Well then a revamping of the bitcoin.org site is needed. I dont really like the design of it, it is pretty sketchy and the labels suck and the menus are very badly designed.

Bitcoin.org should be a copy paste of litecoin.com (with orange+white color theme).

You need to put the definition of bitcoin first with a video in the middle, then below the features, and on the top of the site the menu with buttons and dropdown menus.

Probably with an index of merchants, as litecoin has. Bitcoin only has only the bitcoin wiki listed merchants, but not on the site, which is bad.

i agree, the bitcoin.org does need a redesign.. but before the redisign of the website we need to sort out the features and usefulness of bitcoins, thus actually have better content to tell people.

thus i bring you back to my point..
1. improving features and ease of use
2. training/resource materials
3. business development
4. acceptability
5. central store of all the information above
.. then mass advertising
we definitely are not at point 5 yet

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Quote from: franky1 on December 06, 2015, 03:44:20 PM

but apple and facebook had a fully user friendly end-product. that people could understand and use, without worry or headache.
bitcoin is still a prototype. its not perfect..

so if you really want to do PR. start with businesses right now... hold off on the random average joe for now.. and just get bitcoin more user friendly and useful
then later, once you can see an easy path for:
people to easily understand
people to buy bitcoin
people to work for bitcoin
people to use bitcoin to buy real life stuff (meaning toilet paper not specialist / limited list of stuff)
people can use it faster than 10 minutes (meaning its better then a 40 second debit card transaction)

then and only then will it be ready to mass market to common average joe folk.
until then, concentrate on the business, financial and technical industries

Well then a revamping of the bitcoin.org site is needed. I dont really like the design of it, it is pretty sketchy and the labels suck and the menus are very badly designed.

Bitcoin.org should be a copy paste of litecoin.com (with orange+white color theme).

You need to put the definition of bitcoin first with a video in the middle, then below the features, and on the top of the site the menu with buttons and dropdown menus.

Probably with an index of merchants, as litecoin has. Bitcoin only has only the bitcoin wiki listed merchants, but not on the site, which is bad.

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Quote from: RealBitcoin on December 06, 2015, 08:49:43 AM

I`m not obsesses in grabbing new people, but you have to understand that nothing works better than systematic marketing.

How do you think apple or facebook got so many users? By sitting on their butts criticizing eachother? NO.

They worked hard to promote it, spend huge amounts of money, and then the herd effect did the rest.

Bitcoin needs a similar approach, or it doesnt need it, but it is recommended to have it. Therefore we could accelerate it's growth.

In case of bitcoin, end justifies the means in my opinion. And it doesnt matter how bitcoin becomes succesful, once it does.

but apple and facebook had a fully user friendly end-product. that people could understand and use, without worry or headache.
bitcoin is still a prototype. its not perfect..

so if you really want to do PR. start with businesses right now... hold off on the random average joe for now.. and just get bitcoin more user friendly and useful
then later, once you can see an easy path for:
people to easily understand
people to buy bitcoin
people to work for bitcoin
people to use bitcoin to buy real life stuff (meaning toilet paper not specialist / limited list of stuff)
people can use it faster than 10 minutes (meaning its better then a 40 second debit card transaction)

then and only then will it be ready to mass market to common average joe folk.
until then, concentrate on the business, financial and technical industries

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Quote from: thejaytiesto on December 06, 2015, 12:00:12 PM

Quote from: zivone on December 06, 2015, 09:00:50 AM

4﴿ EDUCATION: Lack of a good guide to newbies

This is the main reason for me. When I first learned about bitcoin, I did googled it but upon reading too many unfamiliar words/terms for me that I gave up understanding those word or raised more questions than actually answers my questions. Understanding the over all concept of bitcoin is not easy to adapt by new users.

I think this initial feeling of being confused as hell is normal at first. After you learn the basics you see this mystery and complexity around Bitcoin is just smoke and it's actually way easier than any other money system ever invented, the thing is, all the technical babble is all over the place with Bitcoin and people get confused when the end customer shouldn't even need to know what a blockchain is.

The customer should know what blockchain is. The criteria of a free market is: "informed customers make rational decisions".

Or do you want some bureocrat deciding where to put your money? I dont think so.

However this doesnt mean that there should not be a simple explanation of bitcoin for newbies.

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Quote from: tom555 on December 06, 2015, 01:41:20 PM

my opinion
Bitcoin is Not Mainstream Yet because :
1. we need more advertise about bitcoin,not all of debt card user know about ease of bitcoin.
2. not many bitcoin user have pleasure to introduce bitcoin to their friends or family.

Marketing is not really needed at this point, we still don't have a clear way to scale Bitcoin. If marketing was a big success and a ton of people became adopters all of a sudden we would have big problems dealing with the new amount of Bitcoins. I think it's better to stay low key until all thinks are clear scaling wise.

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my opinion
Bitcoin is Not Mainstream Yet because :
1. we need more advertise about bitcoin,not all of debt card user know about ease of bitcoin.
2. not many bitcoin user have pleasure to introduce bitcoin to their friends or family.

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Quote from: zivone on December 06, 2015, 09:00:50 AM

4﴿ EDUCATION: Lack of a good guide to newbies

This is the main reason for me. When I first learned about bitcoin, I did googled it but upon reading too many unfamiliar words/terms for me that I gave up understanding those word or raised more questions than actually answers my questions. Understanding the over all concept of bitcoin is not easy to adapt by new users.

I think this initial feeling of being confused as hell is normal at first. After you learn the basics you see this mystery and complexity around Bitcoin is just smoke and it's actually way easier than any other money system ever invented, the thing is, all the technical babble is all over the place with Bitcoin and people get confused when the end customer shouldn't even need to know what a blockchain is.

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4﴿ EDUCATION: Lack of a good guide to newbies

This is the main reason for me. When I first learned about bitcoin, I did googled it but upon reading too many unfamiliar words/terms for me that I gave up understanding those word or raised more questions than actually answers my questions. Understanding the over all concept of bitcoin is not easy to adapt by new users.

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Quote from: franky1 on December 05, 2015, 09:45:45 PM

Quote from: RealBitcoin on December 05, 2015, 09:24:46 PM

How is my method pump and dump when I addressed long term goals specifically.

The enviroment creates the organism, the organism adapts to the enviroment - Reality 101

If bitcoin is promoted well enough for people to get interested in it, then goods & services will quickly adapt to it for it to be useful.

you anaology is not how your OP (the PR centric) plan shows..

you say the environment creates an orgasm..
but your plan is not to create any thing.. all you want to do is advertise that the organism should multiply..

thats no way to ensure organisms survival, thats no way to even ensure constant and growing multiplication of organisms..

you are not addressing bitcoin as a functional and useful currency/tool.. you real obsessed purely in grabbing noobs..

so tell me what advantages are you going to spout out what promises are you going to give for these noobs..
you seem soo obsessed about PR yet you have not really told anyone the 'sale pitch' noobs will see that will solve everything.

so again.. its far easier to solve the problems. then the sales pitch would hold more weight and require less of a push

I`m not obsesses in grabbing new people, but you have to understand that nothing works better than systematic marketing.

How do you think apple or facebook got so many users? By sitting on their butts criticizing eachother? NO.

They worked hard to promote it, spend huge amounts of money, and then the herd effect did the rest.

Bitcoin needs a similar approach, or it doesnt need it, but it is recommended to have it. Therefore we could accelerate it's growth.

In case of bitcoin, end justifies the means in my opinion. And it doesnt matter how bitcoin becomes succesful, once it does.

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I would add offline payments made easier as a suggestion.

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Very nice post normally I hate long posts but I actually took the
time to read your entire post. I must say I agree on most everything
you mentioned in the OP. When I first heard about bitcoin is was from
my wife and her brother so it was easier to have people who could
answer all my questions. There needs to be more educational websites
that make it easier to explain what bitcoin is and how it works. This would
also help business owners get more information and could help with adoption.

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