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June 09, 2018, 01:12:03 PM
#42
TL:DR Simply put, alt gains aren't an indication of more money moving into the market (at least right now), gains are pumped and lost because money is simply being moved around from one position to the next and not indicative of growth.

This is a really complex question and its going to take a lot to answer...  

First of all, bitcoin's stability is the entire market..... imagine it as bitcoin being the trunk, ethereum is the larger branches.. and other altcoins are the leaves... Anytime the trunk isn't healthy the branches and leaves cannot flourish, and will quickly wilt or die.. but when bitcoin's trunk is really strong it creates a healthy cycle for the alts and branches to flourish.   The analogy doesn't answer the question though but it does explain how it operates..but the real question is why?   To me, the main reason this happens is not for fear or panic, but more for an opportunity.  People think of cryptocurrency as long-term investments,, which the market doesn't honor.  As you can see recently with alts pumping then pulling back as BTC needed some support, that simply no new money is coming into this space and is simply moving around.  For example.. look at Tron for its Mainnet or Verge for its lolpornhub announcement.. no new money came into this space for those events, money frankly just moved from one place to another.  Whales and smart money know when BTC is dropping to abandon alts not because they fear having them, but because they can capitalize on the capitulation of noobs and simply just pull their money away and wait for others that don't know whats going on to panic.  But hodling isn't the answer either, since usually when alts pump alot of the gains are often lost rotating from one place simply to another.  Imagine you have like a rotating face.. alts on one.. btc in another.. tether or USD in another.  Alts are completely out of position 2 out of 3 times.. and not only will they not gain, theyll lose to people leaving them to cause a position trade.   So the only way to really deal with this is to buy alts at the bottom of a BTC trend and sell them at the top of a BTC trend.. then either hold BTC to buy alts later or switch to tether and take advantage and double dip of staying in the right facing position.....

The next thing you're going to ask is why doesn't something like TRX/USDT disconnect.. the reason is it gets corrected by arbitrage algo bots.  If there is a way to make money with an unnatural gap selling TRX to USDT and selling USDT into BTC back into TRX, the unnatural gap will be closed.. so even in this instance USDT doesn't make any sense.. on top of that USDT is just an altcoin not proven to be backed up by anything so you'd STILL have to back into BTC or ETHER to cash out back into cash on your preferred exchange.

To be fair, I know it sucks, but its just the way it is.  The best way to deal with this is to do as everyone else does and move in and out of positions that will make you the most money... fundamentally I'm really bullish on a lot of alts, but if you're here to make money you have to play the smart game like everyone else.   People position trade and do whatever makes the most money.. until it becomes a more regulated market and the speculation becomes more real use cases, I would expect it to get worse before it gets better.
Nice reply, I learnt a lot from this.
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June 09, 2018, 11:11:57 AM
#41
Why is it that the moment BTC starts to sway, the other coins follow suit. It would be hard for everyone to sell that much at the same time. It seems beyond just panic selling. They seemed to be directly linked. Inf-fact, BTC going down should increase and encourage altoins as they raise in value compared to BTC as it falls so why this uniform sell off? Something seems weird about that to me. Any real theories, or explanations?

Ethereum is tether to bitcoins because all of the altcoins today that are being released in the market are based on ethereum coins and that is the reason why altcoins is always next to bitcoins.
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June 09, 2018, 11:11:54 AM
#40
Bitcoin has established real life applicability. Altcoins have not. In addition Bitcoin market cap is a half volume of the total crypto market cap.
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June 09, 2018, 11:06:54 AM
#39
It is logical that the rise and fall of bitcoin prices are caused by demand, and in my opinion it may be great this is a game of whales who want to profit themselves.
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June 09, 2018, 11:00:45 AM
#38
Why is it that the moment BTC starts to sway, the other coins follow suit. It would be hard for everyone to sell that much at the same time. It seems beyond just panic selling. They seemed to be directly linked. Inf-fact, BTC going down should increase and encourage altoins as they raise in value compared to BTC as it falls so why this uniform sell off? Something seems weird about that to me. Any real theories, or explanations?
You can see that the market has been fluctuating continuously over the years and it is unpredictable, the price of bitcoin and altcoin is constantly decreasing, only a small bitcoin adjustment can cause the price of altcoin drops very strongly. So when we trade altcoin it is always necessary to keep track of bitcoin prices so that we can handle every possible situation.
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June 09, 2018, 08:04:00 AM
#37
   It is simply because bitcoin is the king of all cryptocurrency and it is use as a medium of exchange in digital currency. You can't buy altcoins if you do not use bitcoin ,ethereum or dollar. Bitcoin is the primary coins with higher value in crypto and play the important rule as digital currency that's why if bitcoin price down altcoin also down.
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June 09, 2018, 07:49:36 AM
#36
I guess it just psychology of the trader. They are like whales that mover of the price. I will simply be thinking like this: If bitcoin price is down, I'm afraid the other cryptocurrency(altcoin) will be down too because they want to save their asset to fiat. But it just short time. The same condition happens when bitcoin price going up, I will thinking to buy altcoins as much as possible and hope I will sell them to bitcoin to make a double profit when I sell them again in fiat.
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June 09, 2018, 07:31:25 AM
#35
Indeed the majority of altcoin can not be separated from bitcoin because the king of the world of cryptocurrency is bitcoin so traders must be able to observe its exchange rate movements to anticipate the occurrence of large losses later.When relying on altcoin in investing.
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June 09, 2018, 06:10:23 AM
#34
Bitcoin is King of Crypto currency,the people will follow the king.Many altcion is created with the base of bitcoin.So altcoin is depend on the bitcoin in many manner.Bitcoin is the father of altcoin.We know son is like is father.This is the reason for when bitcoin price increase,it is reflect on altcoin.
Yes of course bitcoin is the first crypto currency which makes it unique and reliable than all other coins people feels safe while investing in bitcoin as bitcoin has good history of trading and investing, right now bitcoin is high in demand as more people are liking to invest in it for high profit all other coins rises to some extent but bitcoin is the only currency which rises so high unconditionally so that’s bitcoin all other coins are born from bitcoin
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June 08, 2018, 02:52:48 PM
#33
Traders take clue from bitcoin behavior and react when bitcoins give a hint of direction of where it is going. Almost all altcoins in the market is paired with btc and hence the behavior of bitcoin influences other coins too.
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June 08, 2018, 02:36:02 PM
#32
Firstly, Bitcoin is first and self-proved crypto currency, and its decline in price causes the other altcoin holders to panic.
Secondly, Most altcoin based on Bitcoin, so when you want to buy a altcoin you must first get a Bitcoin, then you can get the altcoin with it and when the price of Bitcoin goes down it probably have to effect on the altcoin.
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June 08, 2018, 01:46:17 PM
#31
The main reason for this is the greatest fear that people have. They are mainly afraid of the governments or "people in power" which include the bank owners and such, will decide to destroy cryptocurrencies and fight for them to become banned. If that happens they will not focus individually on every coin, but mainly on the most well known one and work on drafting the bills for all the rest once BTC has been dealt with.
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June 08, 2018, 01:35:10 PM
#30
I am strongly of believe that at some point the correlation between Bitcoin and altcoins will no longer become a thing. It all comes down to how dumb and get rich quick minded people have no idea what they are doing here, and what they are investing in. The more professional this market becomes, the lower the correlation between crypto currencies is. Technically speaking, it makes no sense that one coin that is fundamentally different from Bitcoin, exactly follows its patterns. In the aforementioned scenario, it will translate into a situation where the far majority of the altcoins will lose a tremendous amount of value. Bitcoin's higher price is the only reason copy & paste coins are where they are right now....
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June 08, 2018, 01:30:12 PM
#29
Why is it that the moment BTC starts to sway, the other coins follow suit. It would be hard for everyone to sell that much at the same time. It seems beyond just panic selling. They seemed to be directly linked. Inf-fact, BTC going down should increase and encourage altoins as they raise in value compared to BTC as it falls so why this uniform sell off? Something seems weird about that to me. Any real theories, or explanations?
You can see that the market has been fluctuating continuously over the years and it is difficult to predict, so it is very difficult to trade successfully. Bitocin prices in recent days are constantly adjusting, only a bit of bitcoin mitigation can cause the market to turn around and make the price of the alcohols fell sharply.
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June 08, 2018, 01:07:04 PM
#28
because the bitcoin is the parent of the altcoin coin. so if bitcoin prices rise then the price of altcoin coins will also go up because the bitcoin was the first coin made and has become the benchmark for altcoin
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June 08, 2018, 01:27:33 PM
#28
All cryptocurrencies rely on the Bitcoin; Bitcoin indicates the crypto market. Bitcoin has Almost half or more than half volume of the total crypto market cap; Bitcoin is the headquarters of the crypto. Without bitcoin, Crypto market will drop like zero, without it's we can't imagine a crypto market like at this moment. I think All coin made by following bitcoin technology; Though we called them Altcoin, they also help bitcoin to be worth over the world. If bitcoin pumps then other every coin will pump too, and if bitcoin goes down then all currencies will follow bitcoin! It's simple math.
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June 08, 2018, 01:02:10 PM
#27
This depends on the coin. Ethereum, for example, is not very related as its blockchain structure and network serves different functionalities than Bitcoin. Take Litecoin, a smaller and more efficient bitcoin made to solve bitcoin’s problems. Where bitcoin can be used, litecoin, in theory, can be used better therefore they are much more closely tied.

Ether is not that related to bitcoin becouse it has bigger USD market. https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/#markets

As you can see its more like 50:50 or 40:60 instead of 90:10 to 99:1 in other alts (alt/BTC : ALT/fiat) . Thats why its price is more independent than other alts but still fallows bitcoin.
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June 08, 2018, 12:40:33 PM
#26
I can not explain why altcoin is dependent on the price of bitcoin. In 2017, when bitcoin prices increase, the price of altcoin will decrease, and when the bitcoin price drops, the altcoin price will increase.
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June 08, 2018, 12:35:43 PM
#25
Because it is the number one cryptocurrency here. Don't you see that many countries are following the USA? They have to follow their leader. However, in the future, I believe that most of the coins will become independent. They will no longer rely on bitcoin.
I just hope someday all the coins can be independent because Bitcoin is increasingly showing dominance throughout the market and the downward trend is still going on in recent months. I personally invested in many good projects but when looking at Bitcoin prices fell my investment also fell
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June 08, 2018, 12:30:47 PM
#24
The actual reason is investors are follow the Altcoins and Bitcoin so marketcap is similarly move to the same way. But peoples are expecting Bitcoin is controlled by altcoin. First we should think how Crypto market is pump and dump the main reason is supply and demand if you investing continuously automatically this will growing faster at the same time if you sell continuously it will down in the market. So investors are major in Crypto platform.
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