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sr. member
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July 18, 2018, 04:45:14 AM
TL:DR Simply put, alt gains aren't an indication of more money moving into the market (at least right now), gains are pumped and lost because money is simply being moved around from one position to the next and not indicative of growth.

This is a really complex question and its going to take a lot to answer... 

First of all, bitcoin's stability is the entire market..... imagine it as bitcoin being the trunk, ethereum is the larger branches.. and other altcoins are the leaves... Anytime the trunk isn't healthy the branches and leaves cannot flourish, and will quickly wilt or die.. but when bitcoin's trunk is really strong it creates a healthy cycle for the alts and branches to flourish.   The analogy doesn't answer the question though but it does explain how it operates..but the real question is why?   To me, the main reason this happens is not for fear or panic, but more for an opportunity.  People think of cryptocurrency as long-term investments,, which the market doesn't honor.  As you can see recently with alts pumping then pulling back as BTC needed some support, that simply no new money is coming into this space and is simply moving around.  For example.. look at Tron for its Mainnet or Verge for its lolpornhub announcement.. no new money came into this space for those events, money frankly just moved from one place to another.  Whales and smart money know when BTC is dropping to abandon alts not because they fear having them, but because they can capitalize on the capitulation of noobs and simply just pull their money away and wait for others that don't know whats going on to panic.  But hodling isn't the answer either, since usually when alts pump alot of the gains are often lost rotating from one place simply to another.  Imagine you have like a rotating face.. alts on one.. btc in another.. tether or USD in another.  Alts are completely out of position 2 out of 3 times.. and not only will they not gain, theyll lose to people leaving them to cause a position trade.   So the only way to really deal with this is to buy alts at the bottom of a BTC trend and sell them at the top of a BTC trend.. then either hold BTC to buy alts later or switch to tether and take advantage and double dip of staying in the right facing position.....

The next thing you're going to ask is why doesn't something like TRX/USDT disconnect.. the reason is it gets corrected by arbitrage algo bots.  If there is a way to make money with an unnatural gap selling TRX to USDT and selling USDT into BTC back into TRX, the unnatural gap will be closed.. so even in this instance USDT doesn't make any sense.. on top of that USDT is just an altcoin not proven to be backed up by anything so you'd STILL have to back into BTC or ETHER to cash out back into cash on your preferred exchange.

To be fair, I know it sucks, but its just the way it is.  The best way to deal with this is to do as everyone else does and move in and out of positions that will make you the most money... fundamentally I'm really bullish on a lot of alts, but if you're here to make money you have to play the smart game like everyone else.   People position trade and do whatever makes the most money.. until it becomes a more regulated market and the speculation becomes more real use cases, I would expect it to get worse before it gets better.

I like that way you explained about this topic mate, though it was a parabolic explanation but I get what your trying to emphasize it mate.
all of them actually are true when Bitcoin down then majority of the altcoins goes down too. Because, If they didn't follow Bitcoin for sure that coins will sure die in value.
Yes the prices of Altcoins follow the price of Bitcoin. The main reason responsible for this is that the Altcoin and Bitcoin pairing is traded mostly. Bitcoin being the first ranking coin can be traded for other Altcoins. Thus Bitcoin is the centre of the crypto economy which affects all the Altcoin. In addition this, all major cryptocurrency exchanges offer Bitcoin and Altcoin trading pairs.  Bitcoin is considered as the hallmark of the whole crypto market which is also the reason of such actions.
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July 17, 2018, 10:43:20 AM
TL:DR Simply put, alt gains aren't an indication of more money moving into the market (at least right now), gains are pumped and lost because money is simply being moved around from one position to the next and not indicative of growth.

This is a really complex question and its going to take a lot to answer...  

First of all, bitcoin's stability is the entire market..... imagine it as bitcoin being the trunk, ethereum is the larger branches.. and other altcoins are the leaves... Anytime the trunk isn't healthy the branches and leaves cannot flourish, and will quickly wilt or die.. but when bitcoin's trunk is really strong it creates a healthy cycle for the alts and branches to flourish.   The analogy doesn't answer the question though but it does explain how it operates..but the real question is why?   To me, the main reason this happens is not for fear or panic, but more for an opportunity.  People think of cryptocurrency as long-term investments,, which the market doesn't honor.  As you can see recently with alts pumping then pulling back as BTC needed some support, that simply no new money is coming into this space and is simply moving around.  For example.. look at Tron for its Mainnet or Verge for its lolpornhub announcement.. no new money came into this space for those events, money frankly just moved from one place to another.  Whales and smart money know when BTC is dropping to abandon alts not because they fear having them, but because they can capitalize on the capitulation of noobs and simply just pull their money away and wait for others that don't know whats going on to panic.  But hodling isn't the answer either, since usually when alts pump alot of the gains are often lost rotating from one place simply to another.  Imagine you have like a rotating face.. alts on one.. btc in another.. tether or USD in another.  Alts are completely out of position 2 out of 3 times.. and not only will they not gain, theyll lose to people leaving them to cause a position trade.   So the only way to really deal with this is to buy alts at the bottom of a BTC trend and sell them at the top of a BTC trend.. then either hold BTC to buy alts later or switch to tether and take advantage and double dip of staying in the right facing position.....

The next thing you're going to ask is why doesn't something like TRX/USDT disconnect.. the reason is it gets corrected by arbitrage algo bots.  If there is a way to make money with an unnatural gap selling TRX to USDT and selling USDT into BTC back into TRX, the unnatural gap will be closed.. so even in this instance USDT doesn't make any sense.. on top of that USDT is just an altcoin not proven to be backed up by anything so you'd STILL have to back into BTC or ETHER to cash out back into cash on your preferred exchange.

To be fair, I know it sucks, but its just the way it is.  The best way to deal with this is to do as everyone else does and move in and out of positions that will make you the most money... fundamentally I'm really bullish on a lot of alts, but if you're here to make money you have to play the smart game like everyone else.   People position trade and do whatever makes the most money.. until it becomes a more regulated market and the speculation becomes more real use cases, I would expect it to get worse before it gets better.

I like that way you explained about this topic mate, though it was a parabolic explanation but I get what your trying to emphasize it mate.
all of them actually are true when Bitcoin down then majority of the altcoins goes down too. Because, If they didn't follow Bitcoin for sure that coins will sure die in value.
newbie
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July 17, 2018, 10:30:58 AM
It is just bassed on people sentiment, it is not because the price is sticked with bitcoin's pattern, that is just a theory.
Well, the price is only affected because of the price in BTC, but it does not affect much as many people think
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July 17, 2018, 09:37:36 AM
Personally i also do not understand why all crypto now move going up and down by the same times. Just like the price controlled by one group. A few years ago actually price action of each crypto is much different,  but now they move bullish and bearish at the same times.
You can see that the crypto market at the moment is moving at the price of bitcoin, a small modification of bitcoin can also cause the price of altcoin to fall sharply, so when the altcoin market we must always be concerned. bitcoin pricing. The market is in a downtrend so prices will be able to continue falling deeply at any time, observing bitcoin prices are essential when the price falls.
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July 17, 2018, 09:33:22 AM
Personally i also do not understand why all crypto now move going up and down by the same times. Just like the price controlled by one group. A few years ago actually price action of each crypto is much different,  but now they move bullish and bearish at the same times.
This is completely understandable, whales are slowly manipulating the market with the large number of bitcoins they hold, is very simple to make bitcoin prices increase or decrease, most of the remaining coin is based on bitcoin, bitcoin is the king of digital money and they take advantage
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July 17, 2018, 08:56:02 AM
Bitcoin is the precursor of all the other altcoins. This is true because wherever  bitcoin leads the other altcoins will follow in the same direction. This has been happening even during the December rally altcoin exhibited their best outing then , just follow the trend to confirm your self.
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July 17, 2018, 08:40:29 AM
Why is it that the moment BTC starts to sway, the other coins follow suit. It would be hard for everyone to sell that much at the same time. It seems beyond just panic selling. They seemed to be directly linked. Inf-fact, BTC going down should increase and encourage altoins as they raise in value compared to BTC as it falls so why this uniform sell off? Something seems weird about that to me. Any real theories, or explanations?
When trading altcoin we have to always observe and monitor bitcoin prices, you can see that bitcoin prices are constantly fluctuating and adjusting very strongly in the past days. Only a small bitcoin modification can cause the price of altcoin to fall sharply or to adjust in very large amplitudes. Therefore, when dealing altcoin you must always keep track of the bitcoin to be able to handle any adverse situation.
legendary
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July 17, 2018, 06:20:46 AM
What will you expect? Btc is the father of all coin. So no matter what btc moves, altcoin will do the same. Also, that's one reason why we are saying no one could surpass btc because they are just following the movement of bitcoin.
newbie
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July 17, 2018, 06:03:11 AM
Being the leader or king of crypto whatever happens to bitcoin same thing will happen to altcoins. Altcoins exist because of bitcoin so there's no doubt that market price depends on the value of bitcoin. Rarely we see that some coins are on the green while bitcoin is red in the market mostly goes with the value of bitcoin whether it's up or down. That's how influential bitcoin price is in the market.
newbie
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July 17, 2018, 05:41:40 AM
Because bitcoin is father of crypto currency and this makes the other altcoin follow the price of Bitcon and when the bitcoin price is increasing automatically the price of all altcoins start increasing.
full member
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July 17, 2018, 05:31:03 AM
Why is it that the moment BTC starts to sway, the other coins follow suit. It would be hard for everyone to sell that much at the same time. It seems beyond just panic selling. They seemed to be directly linked. Inf-fact, BTC going down should increase and encourage altoins as they raise in value compared to BTC as it falls so why this uniform sell off? Something seems weird about that to me. Any real theories, or explanations?

Simple, since bitcoin was the first cryptocurrency, so ofcourse theres no doubt most of the altcoin were just depend the market of bitcoin. And now most of the altcoins are getting Increase Its value because bitcoin gradually Increasing
Its value as well.
newbie
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July 17, 2018, 04:16:59 AM
according to my analysis because the money in the rotation of cryptocurrency is full and cryptocurrency has been much in the interest by the crowd.
if in 2016 to the back it is a contrast different from now, when Bitcoin down then Altcoins up and if Altcoins go up then Bitcoin was down.
copper member
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July 17, 2018, 03:54:39 AM
Basically, bitcoin is the original cryptocurrency and it will always be the main reason why a lot of people engaged on this kind of investments. Even if there are more new crypto coins coming and have a potential to become more popular, still it can't surpass bitcoin and it will be always on the top.
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July 17, 2018, 03:34:43 AM
Decoupling altcoins from Bitcoin isn't easy. Consider a majority of Altcoins can only be bought by using BTC, not USD. That's one reason why they do follow each other in terms of the ups and downs.The other aspect is that Bitcoin is the leader, and alt coins tend to follow the leader. If Bitcoin is going up then the rest of the market must be healthy so altcoins go up. If Bitcoin is crashing, there must be a reason... so all the alt coins crash. This is the basic mentality. The health of the market is psychologically dictated by leaders. And it's not the only space to follow this approach. The Tech Stock sector does the exact same thing, like it did this past week. Multiple tech stocks dropped together.There are certainly more aspects to this, but don't expect the market to change this mentality anytime soon. We need multiple large players before we have some resistance to this All or Nothing approach to the movement of cryptos.
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July 17, 2018, 03:25:11 AM
There is multiple theories as to whether why altcoins follow bitcoin or if they even do.
1.) Bitcoin has become the "gold standard" because the market is young.
2.) Democratic Market Psychology in a speculative market behaves more like a herd than expected.
3.) People are afraid of altcoins falling, switching to BTC causing a panic sell but not a panic buy
newbie
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July 17, 2018, 03:16:05 AM
Why is it that the moment BTC starts to sway, the other coins follow suit. It would be hard for everyone to sell that much at the same time. It seems beyond just panic selling. They seemed to be directly linked. Inf-fact, BTC going down should increase and encourage altoins as they raise in value compared to BTC as it falls so why this uniform sell off? Something seems weird about that to me. Any real theories, or explanations?

You have to understand that bitcoin is the main coin of the crypto market or we can understand it as the "eldest brother" of altcoin. so when it prices up or down all other altcoin will be affected. Just like the dollar will affect other currencies
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July 17, 2018, 02:57:15 AM
probably because bitcoin has a very high effect because when bitcoin prices go up there will be many who try to grow the bitcoin they have to benefit from altcoin.
newbie
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July 17, 2018, 02:29:28 AM
one of the biggest coin of we call it bitcoin now its price goes to move on every single time something it pump or dump. and every coin follow of bitcoin because altcoins depends on bitcoin. bitcoin worth is down so altcoin would be dump no doubt.
jr. member
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July 17, 2018, 01:45:04 AM
when bitcoin rises then altcoin prices will also rise but when bitcoin prices fall, altcoin will also decrease as altcoin does not have the courage to do very much increase while rising bitcoin prices and i think altcoin many follow bitcoin price movements because altcoin price exchange depends on the bitcoin price
One thing which is true about the Bitcoin is its action like base currency and is known as base currency of the crypto market which has affect on other crypto coins. This is due to its nature which creates same perception on the whole market as all are digital currencies so increase or decrease in the Bitcoin will have affect on other currencies too. Experts say that this affect will finish in future with the passage of time when these technologies get more success.
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July 14, 2018, 04:37:32 AM
Yes I think this is just because Bitcoin is the king of all cryptocurrency and is used as a medium of exchange in digital currency. We can not buy Altcoin if we do not use Bitcoin and Ethereum or dollars. Bitcoin is the largest digital currency, and most trusted for now. so, a decrease, or a high price increase will make a big impact on Altcoin.
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