Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 36. (Read 901357 times)

Hate is a disruptive feeling.
And atheists and believers need to get rid of the hatred towards each other.
Each person lives his own life independently and has the right to choose whether to believe in God or not.
Since there are different versions of a worldview, then there are different people and vice versa.
Just accept it.
And never consider yourself smarter than everyone, it is meaningless.

Actually, there aren't any good people. How do we know? Because they all die. None of us are good enough to stay alive without end.

Genetics is programming. Cause and effect is more fundamental programming than genetics. We only do what we are programmed to do. God set up the programming in us to be good. The devil was strong enough to add a few lines of programming that enticed us to be evil. That's why we see the mixture of good and evil in all people... even though nobody has the perfection that it takes to live forever without dying.



However, there are some people who become good enough through religion so that they never die. Of course their body dies. But their spirit will remain alive in glory forever. And in the resurrection they will be given a new body that can never die again.

It is true that the majority will die forever... their spirits always dying, even though they have been given renewed life in the resurrection.

That's what Jesus salvation and the Bible are all about. Won't you please join us so that you can finally step out of the evil programming that is in you? But, I expect that you like yourself the way you are.

Atheists try to be good people not because they threaten us with hell or seduce with paradise. Not. We are not children and we grew out of such a worldview.
We are good people, because we know what empathy is, we know that people treat well, this is the best strategy possible. Mathematically.

Aren't there, though? Are you telling us that you've never, in your entire life, met a single person who is good? If so, that would explain a few things. Knowing nothing but evil is obviously going to cause a great deal of mental stress and negative thinking. It's not your fault.

It's not so much that it tries to better people as the fact that it so consistently fails to do so. What's the road to Hell paved with again?

The point of 100% of the non-cult religions is to help people be better people. Even Islam with its ideas on jihad is there to make people into Muslims, and Muslims into better people. Notice that the idea isn't to make good people into better people. The idea is to make bad people into better people. There aren't really any good people.

Atheists don't like religion because it tries to make them better people.

I heard Snow White can be a bit of a cunt so I kinda hate her hehe.

For me I would add things to the list like the extreme hypocrisy of religion, the blinders you have to wear to believe religion, and lastly the scariest thing for me is the control the dogma exerts and the desire to be mentally subjected.

As an example I think it's disingenuous to say religion is the cause of most wars, in reality it's usually way more complicated than saying religion caused war, economic, social and geopolitical conditions all make the cause of most wars very complicated and rarely rest on a single point.

The problem with religious dogma is that it makes it very easy for them to get riled up to the point of supporting a war for the wrong reasons.

Christopher Hitchens said it best (paraphrasing here because I'm to lazy to go find it LOL):  
(Q) How do you make a good person do evil things?  
(A) Teach him religion.

Man would be a far more moral being if we never invented religion...  Animals aren't religious and we are just the apex animal no matter how much smarter we are than apes!  Animals are social and as the apex animal it's clear that we thrive in social environments, perhaps t0o much so!

I'm agnostic. I was born Catholic and raised as an Evangelical Christian, went to church every Sunday. As I got older I started drifting away from the church. I believe that there is a creator, just not a religious one. Religion and racism have been the biggest banes in our existence IMO. So much death and hate because of it for thousands of years.  I don't judge anyone's religion, to each his own. Just live righteous and don't impose your religion on others, that's it.  

Being an atheist I definitely don’t hate religion, it is wonderful the hope it gives so many. For me it’s just a bridge too far and science is something I have faith in. Hope everyone is well and respects everyone else’s beliefs.

I grew up Catholic but always had some problems and skepticism when it came to religion.  I remmeber questioning stories as early and 2nd and 3rd grade.  I felt betrayed by the santa clause lie and always saw similarities between god and santa clause. 

By high school, myself and many of my classmates started to recognize moral objections we had with things in the bible and catechism.  What kind of cruel god would destroy entire cities or trick a follower into trying to kill their son.  This sounded more like the work of a psychopath than an omnipotent being.  The rules against safe sex and masterbation make no sense to anyone and have perpetuated a lot of suffering needlessly.

Also, what happened to god?  He used to be really active then just disappeared from his interactions with humanity.  Why not bother to show up anymore?  If god was so powerful and loving, why would he only reveal himself to a small group of people for a short amount of time.  Why "chose" certain people?  Why neglect most of the world for most of human history?

By university, I studied science and sharpened by reasoning skills.  So many things in the bible are complete fiction.  These years pretty much slammed the door shut on me being agnostic/atheist. 

I don't hate religion as I think there are lessons to be learned just like in greek mythology and fictional stories.  I respect all religions equally and think there is value to be gained from all of them, even the polytheistic ones.  Religion gives a lot of people structure and discipline.  Good for them. 

But people don't change. Get rid of all the religious people in the world, and all of their religions, and in a couple hundred years, all kinds of religions will be back.

If you cleanse Buddhism of religious peels, you can see that this is a very useful guide to psychology and self-improvement. I think that then all the research needed to be tied to religion in order to give them significance.

Now religion is a relic of the past and my hair stands on end when I realize that someone takes it all seriously.

I see Buddhism more as a self-improvement manual.  It teaches you how to explore the cause of 'suffering' (i.e. mental anguish, stress, fear, anger, etc) in order to take control of it and rise above all that nonsense... the woo-woo is optional

I'm not a fan of supernatural claims either.  I tend to gloss over the parts where people talk about gods, past lives, etc.  I don't believe in chi or any supernatural energy.  IMHO, a good Buddhist teacher doesn't even mention these things.

I'm a big fan of Alan Watts.  He is very theatrical, makes a great performance and speaks a language I grok.  There are plenty of other teachers if he doesn't strike your fancy.  Ajahn Brahm and Ajahn Chah are also good

Buddhism, quite simply, is a path to inner wisdom... dissociation with the ego is normal and expected... you can't see the truth when you blind yourself from it (ex. BADecker)

Reincarnation is a bit sketchy, and usually just used as an excuse similar to "god did it".  I'm fairly convinced this is used as a tool, not meant to be taken literally.  Buddhists say things like, "When you want to enter a house, you might pick up a brick to knock on the door, but you don't carry that brick into the house with you"... or "When you want to cross a river, you use a boat to get across, but you don't carry the boat with you once you get to the other side"... basically, once you get it, you get it, and don't need to use those tools anymore

There are no violent teaching of any kind in Buddhism... if a Buddhist is violent, it simply shows that he doesn't understand... people from any religion can be violent, particularly if they don't get it

I haven't had to cherry pick anything from Buddhism... I can't find much that I disagree with beyond perhaps Rebirth since there is no scientific evidence for it (though it does make a lot more sense than having 1 life to find the correct religion or whatever)

People refer to things that include the Talmud, Bible or Koran, as religions. The Talmud, Bible or Koran are from less than a hand full of thousands of years in the past. So, how much more foolish the science religion of today that claims they understand things from the ancient past of hundreds of thousands or millions of years in the past. That kind of science is one of the stupidest religions around.

Get back on track. If you can't properly determine tomorrow from the statistics of the last hundred years, and if you won't agree with the statistics of the Talmud, Bible or Koran, how do you think that you can have even the wildest inkling of what went on hundreds of thousands or millions of years ago? You are deluding yourself.

Wake up.

Have you checked out Buddhism?

As much as I abhor religion (and you know I do), I can't seem to find these flaws with Buddhism...

Imagine 5000 years from now, people will discover the Apple OS 31.0 source code.  It will contain a significant AI breakthrough code and some people will claim that John Smith wrote it, others will point out that it was Jane Smith, while others will claim that it was their son Josua.  They will argue about it, write e-books about it, start new political AI movements based on it, and eventually start wars to reaffirm the superiority of their beliefs.  Meanwhile, the code in Apple OS 31.0 will be invalidated by computer scientists, many bugs and security holes will be found.  Basically, that code will be used as an example to teach kindergarten kids how to not write the AI code.

This is what people do today when they claim that Talmud, Bible or Koran are revelations from God.

Do you see how stupid the religious ideologies are?  Not only they teach you nonsense, but the moral code they espouse is abhorrent.

I am telling you that faith will lead you into the moral abyss of the Bronze Age/6th century.

When you abandon reason you become as ignorant as Jesus's disciples or Muhammad's companions.

One of the greatest facts is that people can't figure out how to determine the future of tomorrow, from the clear statistics of the last hundred years.

A second fact is that they think that they can determine today from vague ideas that they can't even agree on, of history from hundreds of thousands or millions of years ago, when they know they can't even predict tomorrow from the clear statistics of the last hundred years.

A third fact is that I am not insulting these people. They are insulting themselves by using great math in their works, and yet not being able to put two and two together to see how stupid they are acting. All I am doing is pointing out their stupidity to them in the hopes that they will realize just how foolishly they are acting... so that they can see it, and then change.

People would probably like you more and read your posts if you didn't start every post with a personal insult


You can't compare studying the history of the universe to predicting the future of the stock market, etc... that's not a proper analogy, and nobody is going to be stupid enough to believe that makes sense


Please stop beginning and ending your posts with insults... try to use facts and evidence to convince people you are right... insulting someone only proves you are angry and wrong

LOL! You don't even realize how stupid that is, do you?... that anybody would think he can figure out what happened hundreds of thousands or millions of years in the past. Let me show you how stupid it is.

Today, right now, we have hundreds of thousands or millions of smart mathematicians trying to figure out where the Forex, the stock market, the derivatives market, the nations, elections, and thousands of other things are going in life. What do they use to do their calculations? Statistics from literally yesterday, on back through the well-documented history of the last hundred years.

What are the results of all their calculations from the well-documented statistics history? Good guesses. Why guesses? Because they all flub it good, on a regular basis. They all get it wrong here and there.

And you think that some self-styled scientists can take a look at some vague history that they think relates to hundreds of thousands or millions of years ago, and determine how life originated back then? You think that they are way smarter than the mathematicians who are using accurate statistics from the last hundred years - statistics that are right close to today - but still caqn't figure out what is going on today? LOL! You can't even understand how stupid that sounds, can you?

If you had any brains at all, you would be scientifically checking into why the Bible is a solid, eye witness record, of things that happened in the past, and how it is the Word of God given to people by God, so some of them can be saved.

I agree with you, but in some regions religion is needed, e.g. in Africa, there are tribes killing each other, if you Christianise them they'll form a new Christian tribe and they'll kill less. I think it would be difficult to get into their head without using religion.
I don't really get why these tribes fight, it may be because of their different religions