Why do conservative worldwide oppose "drugs" legalization?

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You have to remember that there are two types of drugs the legal one and the illegal one. Drugs that are illegal were illegal for a reason. Yes it is your body and you have the full rights or the freedom to what do you want to do with it but you have to remember that if you used illegal drugs you can affect the lives of other people which is not a part of your freedom

In my opinion, none of the drugs must be classified as illegal. It is up to the individual to decide whether he should take a particular drug or not (as long as he is above the legal age, i.e. 18 years).

Hell no. You should not allow someone to take drugs especially when it causes the user an aggression and can hurt other people. You would understand the feeling if one of yoir love ones will be a victim of a illegal drug user

They are not harmful, if taken in moderation. But if you consume more than the limit, then you may lose your self-control. This is true not only with drugs, but also with other substances such as alcohol.

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What's most ironic is how much non-consumers actually benefit from legalization. They save tax-money that otherwise would be wasted on the prison and juridical system, they benefit from the extra tax income and jobs created by legalization. They benefit as the dealers on the street disappear, some of them getting a legit job.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 29, 2017, 08:43:43 AM

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You have to remember that there are two types of drugs the legal one and the illegal one. Drugs that are illegal were illegal for a reason. Yes it is your body and you have the full rights or the freedom to what do you want to do with it but you have to remember that if you used illegal drugs you can affect the lives of other people which is not a part of your freedom

In my opinion, none of the drugs must be classified as illegal. It is up to the individual to decide whether he should take a particular drug or not (as long as he is above the legal age, i.e. 18 years).

Hell no. You should not allow someone to take drugs especially when it causes the user an aggression and can hurt other people. You would understand the feeling if one of yoir love ones will be a victim of a illegal drug user

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I am sure that the state is not interested in the legalization of drugs. Addiction is the addiction of the young. It kills first those people whom the government is interested. Who will work and bring income to the Treasury? I think legalization of drugs is only interested in some officials who want to make money. Legalization will bring harm to all.

So all officials are engaged in something poisonous in order to earn money in treasury. Alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, prostitution ... all these are governed by rulers.

Officials earn more on illegal businesses. Let's see what happens for example with cigarettes. Europe has set a very high excise tax on these products. Now everywhere you can buy illegal cigarettes. They bring money to the officials and the police, but the state loses income.

In Silk Road and Silk Road 2.0, there was a Moldovan vendor who would ship cigarette packs to the EU nations. He was very popular in these dark markets. Buying cigarettes from dark markets seems to be a safer option for me. May be cheaper as well.

Why only Moldova? And Belarus? If such a difference in price there will always be the temptation to earn money by smuggling. It seems to me that this is the fault of the government. I also fundamentally smoke smuggled cigarettes. The government must understand that it is impossible so arrogant to climb into the pockets of the citizens.

The law enforcement agents in these countries can be bribed, and once they get their share they normally turn a blind eye to the smuggling of cigarettes. You are right about the tax rates. Who will agree to pay 500% or 600% tax? It is just ridiculous.

And I think that the state itself is guilty of the situation. People can pay taxes, but only the toga when it is fair and justified. The situation with cigarettes, alcoholic beverages and fuels more like a robbery, but not on taxes.

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As someone who is conservative and just celebrated a year of sobriety, I'm all for it. I probably lean more towards decriminalization than legalization but I think it's time. The ban only profits drug dealers and criminalizes people with addiction issues. Portugal has been a great example of decriminalization working.

I agree. I think sometimes some conservative people need to broaden their perspective a bit. sometimes its better to regulate some drugs than to completely outlaw them. of course that doesn't include laboratory drugs like meth and cocaine.

You cannot be a little pregnant. Any drugs are not only toxic to the body, but also the provocation of crime. If the person is not in control of your consciousness it is always dangerous to others. I'm against drugs.

It doesn't matter! It's your body and your responsibility.
If you are numbing yourself with drugs and get jailed for it, it won't eliminate the problem. People who do it usually have some mental or social problems and want to forget by using drugs. If you jail them they will either kill themselves in prison or serve the sentence, get out and start taking again, because you haven't cured them, you just made them feel more miserable.

Of course, if it refers to drugs and those who use them philosophically, Yes indeed that drug addiction is a sick people. That's just who knows, though, succumbing. Treatment for a person in quantity or is cured?

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Against legalization, only those who are worried about the health of their loved ones and all the people in the country can act. Legalize only those who make money on human suffering.

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I am sure that the state is not interested in the legalization of drugs. Addiction is the addiction of the young. It kills first those people whom the government is interested. Who will work and bring income to the Treasury? I think legalization of drugs is only interested in some officials who want to make money. Legalization will bring harm to all.

So all officials are engaged in something poisonous in order to earn money in treasury. Alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, prostitution ... all these are governed by rulers.

Officials earn more on illegal businesses. Let's see what happens for example with cigarettes. Europe has set a very high excise tax on these products. Now everywhere you can buy illegal cigarettes. They bring money to the officials and the police, but the state loses income.

In Silk Road and Silk Road 2.0, there was a Moldovan vendor who would ship cigarette packs to the EU nations. He was very popular in these dark markets. Buying cigarettes from dark markets seems to be a safer option for me. May be cheaper as well.

Why only Moldova? And Belarus? If such a difference in price there will always be the temptation to earn money by smuggling. It seems to me that this is the fault of the government. I also fundamentally smoke smuggled cigarettes. The government must understand that it is impossible so arrogant to climb into the pockets of the citizens.

The law enforcement agents in these countries can be bribed, and once they get their share they normally turn a blind eye to the smuggling of cigarettes. You are right about the tax rates. Who will agree to pay 500% or 600% tax? It is just ridiculous.

There will always be those people who do not care for tax and will pay that 500 percents, because they have money and they do not need to worry if they pay that much for something. But that have more effect on poorer people, they are the ones that will protest. But there will always be black market and there will always be people who will seek there own fortune. That can not be stopped.

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Quote from: Barrymore on May 02, 2017, 09:47:43 AM

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I am sure that the state is not interested in the legalization of drugs. Addiction is the addiction of the young. It kills first those people whom the government is interested. Who will work and bring income to the Treasury? I think legalization of drugs is only interested in some officials who want to make money. Legalization will bring harm to all.

So all officials are engaged in something poisonous in order to earn money in treasury. Alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, prostitution ... all these are governed by rulers.

Officials earn more on illegal businesses. Let's see what happens for example with cigarettes. Europe has set a very high excise tax on these products. Now everywhere you can buy illegal cigarettes. They bring money to the officials and the police, but the state loses income.

In Silk Road and Silk Road 2.0, there was a Moldovan vendor who would ship cigarette packs to the EU nations. He was very popular in these dark markets. Buying cigarettes from dark markets seems to be a safer option for me. May be cheaper as well.

Why only Moldova? And Belarus? If such a difference in price there will always be the temptation to earn money by smuggling. It seems to me that this is the fault of the government. I also fundamentally smoke smuggled cigarettes. The government must understand that it is impossible so arrogant to climb into the pockets of the citizens.

The law enforcement agents in these countries can be bribed, and once they get their share they normally turn a blind eye to the smuggling of cigarettes. You are right about the tax rates. Who will agree to pay 500% or 600% tax? It is just ridiculous.

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As someone who is conservative and just celebrated a year of sobriety, I'm all for it. I probably lean more towards decriminalization than legalization but I think it's time. The ban only profits drug dealers and criminalizes people with addiction issues. Portugal has been a great example of decriminalization working.

I agree. I think sometimes some conservative people need to broaden their perspective a bit. sometimes its better to regulate some drugs than to completely outlaw them. of course that doesn't include laboratory drugs like meth and cocaine.

You cannot be a little pregnant. Any drugs are not only toxic to the body, but also the provocation of crime. If the person is not in control of your consciousness it is always dangerous to others. I'm against drugs.

It doesn't matter! It's your body and your responsibility.
If you are numbing yourself with drugs and get jailed for it, it won't eliminate the problem. People who do it usually have some mental or social problems and want to forget by using drugs. If you jail them they will either kill themselves in prison or serve the sentence, get out and start taking again, because you haven't cured them, you just made them feel more miserable.

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Quote from: gabmen on May 04, 2017, 07:19:55 AM

Quote from: ikilledcobain on May 02, 2017, 10:21:00 AM

As someone who is conservative and just celebrated a year of sobriety, I'm all for it. I probably lean more towards decriminalization than legalization but I think it's time. The ban only profits drug dealers and criminalizes people with addiction issues. Portugal has been a great example of decriminalization working.

I agree. I think sometimes some conservative people need to broaden their perspective a bit. sometimes its better to regulate some drugs than to completely outlaw them. of course that doesn't include laboratory drugs like meth and cocaine.

You cannot be a little pregnant. Any drugs are not only toxic to the body, but also the provocation of crime. If the person is not in control of your consciousness it is always dangerous to others. I'm against drugs.

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Quote from: ikilledcobain on May 02, 2017, 10:21:00 AM

As someone who is conservative and just celebrated a year of sobriety, I'm all for it. I probably lean more towards decriminalization than legalization but I think it's time. The ban only profits drug dealers and criminalizes people with addiction issues. Portugal has been a great example of decriminalization working.

I agree. I think sometimes some conservative people need to broaden their perspective a bit. sometimes its better to regulate some drugs than to completely outlaw them. of course that doesn't include laboratory drugs like meth and cocaine.

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As someone who is conservative and just celebrated a year of sobriety, I'm all for it. I probably lean more towards decriminalization than legalization but I think it's time. The ban only profits drug dealers and criminalizes people with addiction issues. Portugal has been a great example of decriminalization working.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 02, 2017, 12:30:50 AM

Quote from: Marcus_2017 on May 01, 2017, 03:01:54 PM

Quote from: eduaro66 on May 01, 2017, 02:31:00 PM

Quote from: Forester618 on May 01, 2017, 02:25:09 PM

I am sure that the state is not interested in the legalization of drugs. Addiction is the addiction of the young. It kills first those people whom the government is interested. Who will work and bring income to the Treasury? I think legalization of drugs is only interested in some officials who want to make money. Legalization will bring harm to all.

So all officials are engaged in something poisonous in order to earn money in treasury. Alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, prostitution ... all these are governed by rulers.

Officials earn more on illegal businesses. Let's see what happens for example with cigarettes. Europe has set a very high excise tax on these products. Now everywhere you can buy illegal cigarettes. They bring money to the officials and the police, but the state loses income.

In Silk Road and Silk Road 2.0, there was a Moldovan vendor who would ship cigarette packs to the EU nations. He was very popular in these dark markets. Buying cigarettes from dark markets seems to be a safer option for me. May be cheaper as well.

Why only Moldova? And Belarus? If such a difference in price there will always be the temptation to earn money by smuggling. It seems to me that this is the fault of the government. I also fundamentally smoke smuggled cigarettes. The government must understand that it is impossible so arrogant to climb into the pockets of the citizens.

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Quote from: Marcus_2017 on May 01, 2017, 03:01:54 PM

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Quote from: Forester618 on May 01, 2017, 02:25:09 PM

I am sure that the state is not interested in the legalization of drugs. Addiction is the addiction of the young. It kills first those people whom the government is interested. Who will work and bring income to the Treasury? I think legalization of drugs is only interested in some officials who want to make money. Legalization will bring harm to all.

So all officials are engaged in something poisonous in order to earn money in treasury. Alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, prostitution ... all these are governed by rulers.

Officials earn more on illegal businesses. Let's see what happens for example with cigarettes. Europe has set a very high excise tax on these products. Now everywhere you can buy illegal cigarettes. They bring money to the officials and the police, but the state loses income.

I think officials and the police are giving away a certain percentage of the profits to the state that they are not closed. After all, representatives of the state can not openly sell fakes.

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Officials earn more on illegal businesses. Let's see what happens for example with cigarettes. Europe has set a very high excise tax on these products. Now everywhere you can buy illegal cigarettes. They bring money to the officials and the police, but the state loses income.

In Germany there are people selling cigarettes in most parks. These guys, usually Asians, can really scare you. You're walking, thinkinking about something, and one of them jumps out of the bush nearby holding a bag of cigs Grin

I'm not making it up, they are hiding these bags in the bushes so it's not that obvious. I've seen the police chasing them a couple times.

LOL! At least they're not hanging around there to rob you. Grin

This is what happens when you tighten the supply of a product without a decrease in demand, people are just gonna find ways to get them. It's like telling your daughter to stop going out with that douchebag - you'll just inflame her.

I've seen a documentary about the Prohibition Era and it really turned nasty for everyone with the crime rates and injury from moonshine increasing. And you don't even have to make something illegal. We're also increasing the luxury tax on cigarettes here in our country and everyone's finding ways to get around that, from making lower quality products, adulterating the sticks, making each stick thinner, tax evasion and smuggling.

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Quote from: Marcus_2017 on May 01, 2017, 03:01:54 PM

Quote from: eduaro66 on May 01, 2017, 02:31:00 PM

Quote from: Forester618 on May 01, 2017, 02:25:09 PM

I am sure that the state is not interested in the legalization of drugs. Addiction is the addiction of the young. It kills first those people whom the government is interested. Who will work and bring income to the Treasury? I think legalization of drugs is only interested in some officials who want to make money. Legalization will bring harm to all.

So all officials are engaged in something poisonous in order to earn money in treasury. Alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, prostitution ... all these are governed by rulers.

Officials earn more on illegal businesses. Let's see what happens for example with cigarettes. Europe has set a very high excise tax on these products. Now everywhere you can buy illegal cigarettes. They bring money to the officials and the police, but the state loses income.

In Silk Road and Silk Road 2.0, there was a Moldovan vendor who would ship cigarette packs to the EU nations. He was very popular in these dark markets. Buying cigarettes from dark markets seems to be a safer option for me. May be cheaper as well.

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Quote from: Marcus_2017 on May 01, 2017, 03:01:54 PM

Officials earn more on illegal businesses. Let's see what happens for example with cigarettes. Europe has set a very high excise tax on these products. Now everywhere you can buy illegal cigarettes. They bring money to the officials and the police, but the state loses income.

In Germany there are people selling cigarettes in most parks. These guys, usually Asians, can really scare you. You're walking, thinkinking about something, and one of them jumps out of the bush nearby holding a bag of cigs Grin

I'm not making it up, they are hiding these bags in the bushes so it's not that obvious. I've seen the police chasing them a couple times.

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Quote from: eduaro66 on May 01, 2017, 02:31:00 PM

Quote from: Forester618 on May 01, 2017, 02:25:09 PM

I am sure that the state is not interested in the legalization of drugs. Addiction is the addiction of the young. It kills first those people whom the government is interested. Who will work and bring income to the Treasury? I think legalization of drugs is only interested in some officials who want to make money. Legalization will bring harm to all.

So all officials are engaged in something poisonous in order to earn money in treasury. Alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, prostitution ... all these are governed by rulers.

Officials earn more on illegal businesses. Let's see what happens for example with cigarettes. Europe has set a very high excise tax on these products. Now everywhere you can buy illegal cigarettes. They bring money to the officials and the police, but the state loses income.

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Quote from: Forester618 on May 01, 2017, 02:25:09 PM

I am sure that the state is not interested in the legalization of drugs. Addiction is the addiction of the young. It kills first those people whom the government is interested. Who will work and bring income to the Treasury? I think legalization of drugs is only interested in some officials who want to make money. Legalization will bring harm to all.

So all officials are engaged in something poisonous in order to earn money in treasury. Alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, prostitution ... all these are governed by rulers.

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Quote from: Eternu on April 30, 2017, 03:44:44 PM

So guys, on everything you said, do you really think that legalization of drugs would help that people. Would it be better if every one had easy access to drugs and could do what ever they want with it? I know i would not want that. That would make some people life easier, and that people are bad for society. And i do not want to start on children, and how it would effect them...

Yes, I do. Don't you?
You should protect your children if you're so worried that they might start taking drugs, the police or the judge won't do it for you.
If you can't make your kids understand how drugs work and teach them responsibility, nobody can. The police and the judge will only make hardened criminals out of them, because the system is build this way.

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