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Quote from: BADecker on May 27, 2019, 08:17:48 PM

^^^ The only evidence that life exists is living things themselves. We haven't figured out any way that life could exist except that it does. So, it's logical that Heaven and Hell can exist.

I agree. Torturing people forever is illogical. But what else can you do when the only thing that holds the universe together is God, and people ask God for eternal life so He gives it to them, and people ask God to be removed from their presence so He does it, and the result is the destruction of the universe that winds up becoming the Hell we are talking about.

Yep. It is so extremely illogical for people to ask for God not to exist in their lives. But they do it all the time.

Poor little God. Caught between a rock and a hard place. But He figured it out. Give them the life that they ask for, and give them the destruction that they ask for. I mean, what else could He do? He's a giving God. And since they ask for both at the same time, they get them both for eternity... life constantly contradicting the destruction, which is constantly contradicting the life, on, and on, and on, forever. How painful! Why do people ask for this?

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That doesnt answer the question whatsoever, not even close. Even if people asked for their own destruction (hint: they dont) god could simply erase them. Hell is still just as illogical whether people are asking to get killed or not. There is, again, no point in torturing anyone forever. You cannot answer this and you know its illogical.

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^^^ The only evidence that life exists is living things themselves. We haven't figured out any way that life could exist except that it does. So, it's logical that Heaven and Hell can exist.

I agree. Torturing people forever is illogical. But what else can you do when the only thing that holds the universe together is God, and people ask God for eternal life so He gives it to them, and people ask God to be removed from their presence so He does it, and the result is the destruction of the universe that winds up becoming the Hell we are talking about.

Yep. It is so extremely illogical for people to ask for God not to exist in their lives. But they do it all the time.

Poor little God. Caught between a rock and a hard place. But He figured it out. Give them the life that they ask for, and give them the destruction that they ask for. I mean, what else could He do? He's a giving God. And since they ask for both at the same time, they get them both for eternity... life constantly contradicting the destruction, which is constantly contradicting the life, on, and on, and on, forever. How painful! Why do people ask for this?

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Quote from: BADecker on May 27, 2019, 02:34:18 PM

Quote from: virendarnagpal on May 26, 2019, 11:23:15 PM

This is the law of nature; You will get back whatever you give. You hate ; it will return to you. You start loving; love will start coming to you.
You sow one seed in a filed you will get hundreds of times more seeds back from the tree.
Any book claiming to be a hell or heaven above this earth is not true. Heaven or hell is present on this earth itself. One person spreading negativity can never get positive in return as reward. This negativity will be the cause of death of that person. So nothing else but his own actions or negative attitude was reason for his sad life and death.
You may notice some saint who always believes in serving the entire nature ; you will always find him happy and this is heaven.
A person who is happy is in heaven but on the contrary the person who is always sad / negative is living in hell only.
So this is heaven or hell.
Never hate if you want to live in heaven. Hate culture in Islam is showing its byproducts as violence in almost all Islamic nations. Bomb blasts; murders are there in routine.

Much of what you say is true. But...

There is a literal Heaven and Hell.

God is immensely greater than we are, way beyond our understanding. He even says words to the effect of, as high as the heavens are above the earth, so are His thoughts above our thoughts, and His ways above our ways.

Nothing whatever affects Him in any way, except that He wants it to. That is all of it with Him. He is literally almighty, and the understanding of why evil people seem to get away with things has to do with the Karma you spoke about. They never really get away with it.

As far as Islam goes, it's a contradictory mixture of love and hate, so that Muslims never really know where they stand. Muslim peace only exists because some Muslims have strong guts, and foundational IQ, so that they maintain order among their people, in the face of what Islam tells them to do.

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Too bad there is literally no evidence of a heaven or a hell. Its also totally illogical for a hell to exist. Torturing people forever is also illogical because its pointless. Just think about it, whats the point of punishing someone? Isnt it to try to make them learn? Torturing them forever achieves what exactly?

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Quote from: virendarnagpal on May 26, 2019, 11:23:15 PM

This is the law of nature; You will get back whatever you give. You hate ; it will return to you. You start loving; love will start coming to you.
You sow one seed in a filed you will get hundreds of times more seeds back from the tree.
Any book claiming to be a hell or heaven above this earth is not true. Heaven or hell is present on this earth itself. One person spreading negativity can never get positive in return as reward. This negativity will be the cause of death of that person. So nothing else but his own actions or negative attitude was reason for his sad life and death.
You may notice some saint who always believes in serving the entire nature ; you will always find him happy and this is heaven.
A person who is happy is in heaven but on the contrary the person who is always sad / negative is living in hell only.
So this is heaven or hell.
Never hate if you want to live in heaven. Hate culture in Islam is showing its byproducts as violence in almost all Islamic nations. Bomb blasts; murders are there in routine.

Much of what you say is true. But...

There is a literal Heaven and Hell.

God is immensely greater than we are, way beyond our understanding. He even says words to the effect of, as high as the heavens are above the earth, so are His thoughts above our thoughts, and His ways above our ways.

Nothing whatever affects Him in any way, except that He wants it to. That is all of it with Him. He is literally almighty, and the understanding of why evil people seem to get away with things has to do with the Karma you spoke about. They never really get away with it.

As far as Islam goes, it's a contradictory mixture of love and hate, so that Muslims never really know where they stand. Muslim peace only exists because some Muslims have strong guts, and foundational IQ, so that they maintain order among their people, in the face of what Islam tells them to do.

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This is the law of nature; You will get back whatever you give. You hate ; it will return to you. You start loving; love will start coming to you.
You sow one seed in a filed you will get hundreds of times more seeds back from the tree.
Any book claiming to be a hell or heaven above this earth is not true. Heaven or hell is present on this earth itself. One person spreading negativity can never get positive in return as reward. This negativity will be the cause of death of that person. So nothing else but his own actions or negative attitude was reason for his sad life and death.
You may notice some saint who always believes in serving the entire nature ; you will always find him happy and this is heaven.
A person who is happy is in heaven but on the contrary the person who is always sad / negative is living in hell only.
So this is heaven or hell.
Never hate if you want to live in heaven. Hate culture in Islam is showing its byproducts as violence in almost all Islamic nations. Bomb blasts; murders are there in routine.

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Quote from: acroman08 on May 25, 2019, 10:38:02 AM

Quote from: keenemachine on May 24, 2019, 08:15:17 AM

islam is a peaceful religion my friend
greetings in islam is assalamuailkum wich mean "peace be upon you", and the reply is waalaikumussalam wich mean "and upon you be peace"
Terrorism has no religion, there's no muslim terrorist, buddhist terrorist, christian terrorist, etc. But only people with radicalism/extremmist wich actually muslim, christian, etc.

Islam is a religion of peace for fellow Muslim but not for others. if terrorist has no religion then how come most terrorist are Muslims?
you can keep saying Islam is a religion of peace but your fellow Muslims actions says other wise. these actions comes from something
that they believe in. I admit that there are good Muslims but no matter what they say the Quran teaches violence against other religion.

Just more of that good ol' Takiyaa?

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Quote from: keenemachine on May 24, 2019, 08:15:17 AM

islam is a peaceful religion my friend
greetings in islam is assalamuailkum wich mean "peace be upon you", and the reply is waalaikumussalam wich mean "and upon you be peace"
Terrorism has no religion, there's no muslim terrorist, buddhist terrorist, christian terrorist, etc. But only people with radicalism/extremmist wich actually muslim, christian, etc.

Islam is a religion of peace for fellow Muslim but not for others. if terrorist has no religion then how come most terrorist are Muslims?
you can keep saying Islam is a religion of peace but your fellow Muslims actions says other wise. these actions comes from something
that they believe in. I admit that there are good Muslims but no matter what they say the Quran teaches violence against other religion.

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^^^ So, you are finally starting to get the picture. Islamic writings are showing you that there is deception in Islam against religions other than Islam. It's right in the Koran and Hadiths.

The Koran and Hadiths talk violence and trickery against people of other religions. They essentially say that Muslims can use deceit when talking to these other peoples, because other people are worth less than cattle, except if they convert to Islam. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

So, what do you do? You go and show some of the deceit that Muslims are supposed to use against Christians and Jews, at least until they convert... written right in the Koran. Stuff like you quoted is the exact deceit and trickery suggested to be used against people of other religions. And you deceitfully use it, trying to make it sound like the little, innocent Muslim is completely misunderstood.

Your deception has not gone unnoticed. In fact, it is more noticed by people outside of Islam, than by those within. Why? Because Muslim deceit hurts people when they become unsuspecting victims of Muslim violence, brought to fruition through use of Muslim deceit like you are using. It even hurts Muslims when they are considered to be backsliding, even if they aren't backsliding. Just study at the link I added^^.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 24, 2019, 08:24:10 AM

^^^ Read your Koran. Islam only talks peace between Muslims, and temporary peace with people they they are trying to convert. The Koran talks violence against people who absolutely will not convert to Islam.

This means that if a Muslim says "peace be upon you" to someone who is not a Muslim, he is talking deceptively, just to convert him. But if he won't convert after a time, Islam says to kill him.

Terrorism has no religion because it is a religion of terrorism. Of course Muslim terrorists aren't terrorists towards each other. If they were, Islam would have destroyed itself long ago.

See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

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this is what the Quran says regarding Christians and Jews:

“Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.” (The Holy Quran Surah Al-Baqarah 2:62 )

“…and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, ‘We are Christians,’ because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant” (The Holy Quran Surah Al-Maidah 5:82)

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^^^ Read your Koran. Islam only talks peace between Muslims, and temporary peace with people they they are trying to convert. The Koran talks violence against people who absolutely will not convert to Islam.

This means that if a Muslim says "peace be upon you" to someone who is not a Muslim, he is talking deceptively, just to convert him. But if he won't convert after a time, Islam says to kill him.

Terrorism has no religion because it is a religion of terrorism. Of course Muslim terrorists aren't terrorists towards each other. If they were, Islam would have destroyed itself long ago.

See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

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islam is a peaceful religion my friend
greetings in islam is assalamuailkum wich mean "peace be upon you", and the reply is waalaikumussalam wich mean "and upon you be peace"
Terrorism has no religion, there's no muslim terrorist, buddhist terrorist, christian terrorist, etc. But only people with radicalism/extremmist wich actually muslim, christian, etc.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 21, 2019, 07:59:09 AM

^^^ Notice how Astargath twists my warnings about the dangers of Hell, because he has his head in a hole in the sand like an ostrich who is unwilling to look at reality. It's the standard Astargath lie, promoting indifference to the coming doom.

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notice how badecker ignores my warnings about the hell of the other religions while he keeps believing in his exclusively, what if you are wrong? You might go to the hell of another religion, please badecker, think before it's too late, stop worshiping satan (god from the bible) and come to the real god.

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Quote from: Astargath on May 21, 2019, 07:45:28 AM

Look at badecker, not only muslims hate other people, christians too. He wants people to go to hell and he is perfectly fine with it, he hates gays, thinks slavery is ok, etc.

As long as he is not harming anyone, I don't really care. We are a free society and there should be freedom of speech. There is a lot of hatred in this world. Now you can't remove this hatred by jailing everyone who hates somebody. I believe that engaging in debates with such people may be the best way, rather than forcing them to shut their mouth.

In case you don't agree with his views, then you should engage him in meaningful debates. If you are able to convince him that you are right and his views are wrong, then I will be having a lot of respect for you.

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^^^ Notice how Astargath twists my warnings about the dangers of Hell, because he has his head in a hole in the sand like an ostrich who is unwilling to look at reality. It's the standard Astargath lie, promoting indifference to the coming doom.

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Look at badecker, not only muslims hate other people, christians too. He wants people to go to hell and he is perfectly fine with it, he hates gays, thinks slavery is ok, etc.

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^^^ You are wrong about that. You are entirely living your everyday life using only a few proven scientific facts. Other than that you are basing your life on unproven scientific theories, but mostly on things that are barely (if at all) talked about or considered in science. Many of the things are completely unknown to science because of the complexity of the universe, and the vast limitations of science.

You are out in the cold. You are trusting in things that aren't there. Quick, catch yourself, now, and hold yourself from full-fear panic, because you don't really know what is going to happen from one second to the next.

I rest my soul on God Who created me and cares for me. Science won't be able to figure Him out in a thousand years.

Muslims hate people if they put their religion into action, because their religion essentially directs them to. The only reason any Muslim is sincerely loving toward people of other religions is because he isn't really much of a Muslim. It's kinda like you aren't much of an atheist or agnostic or whatever you are... except liar, that is.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 16, 2019, 11:07:19 AM

^^^ You are playing a dangerous scientific game. Scientifically even, claiming that science as we know it is god is going to get you slapped... so that you wake up to Who the real God is.

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I'm not the one making up scientific definitions and using unproven non-scientific theories in my arguments like you. ''Cause and effect'' ''no randomness'' ''free will but at the same time no free will'' ''outside the universe'' All invented garbage by you with 0 scientific evidence behind them.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 16, 2019, 11:07:19 AM

^^^ You are playing a dangerous scientific game. Scientifically even, claiming that science as we know it is god is going to get you slapped... so that you wake up to Who the real God is.

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islam is very clear much clearer than christianity that humans are nothing divine, and its a healthy world view for some.

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^^^ You are playing a dangerous scientific game. Scientifically even, claiming that science as we know it is god is going to get you slapped... so that you wake up to Who the real God is.

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Quote from: af_newbie on May 16, 2019, 09:15:46 AM

Quote from: Astargath on May 16, 2019, 08:57:55 AM

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Quote from: BADecker on May 14, 2019, 01:40:22 PM

^^^ What kind of nonsense are you trying to say? You are essentially saying that if there are 99 killers, and 1 who never killed anyone, that the 1 is a killer, as well, even if he never killed.

N.T. expression of killing was never by a command of God, or in a command of one of God's N.T. prophets, nor do we have even one example of a Christian killing... in the N.T.

It's either that you are ignorant, or that you have bad faith.

Most grocery stores in most countries sell some form of coffee. Get some coffee, so that you can perk up a pot of it, and wake up and smell the coffee.

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''Acts 12:23
And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.''

''Detailed in the passages where God sends four horsemen (Revelation 6:1-7), commands the angels to sound seven trumpets (Revelation 8:7-11:15), commands the angels to unleash seven plagues (Revelation 16:2-17). Finally the Great Beast, his False Prophet and all non-saved are cast into a Lake of Fire.''

God himself sent others to kill people, you only have to read it, you seem confused...

However, it never talks about others doing any of the killing without God. And maybe even with Him. How is that? Because God is almighty. Anything that anyone does is really done by God, because it is God Who does everything. He has the right, because He is owner. You simply don't understand the gracious goodness of God. See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51050551.

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''Anything that anyone does is really done by God, because it is God Who does everything.'' So it's god's fault then when people go to hell.

^^^ Again, you forgot the part that the loving God perfectly does what people ask. "Ask and it will be given you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you." Stop being so ambiguous in your requests so that you will ask only for the things that you really want, and get them.

It's God's doing when people go to Hell, by giving them what they asked for... absence of God holding them out of Hell.

Just push Him a little more. Just a little further. He'll let go of you if you really want Him to. But don't doubt. Really want it, and really ask Him for it... and really enjoy the pain when you get it.

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An all loving god would not make hell in the first place, 5 year old would understand that. What's the purpose of hell? Torture people forever for... what? No point, senseless, only a retard would think that makes any sense.

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People who wrote this mythology were retards by today's standard. Walked around with burlap around their neck, barefoot, wiped their ass with leaves, and hopped/praying for the Sun to come up the next day.

People who these books were intended for were probably another 40 IQ points lower, slightly higher than chimpanzees.

Yes and we don't blame them, they were ignorant, how wouldn't they be, however in 2019, how can anyone read the bible and think: hmm, yep this shit makes total sense. It's clearly just a fear of death that drives people to believe in something so stupid.

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