Why do people deny the climate change? - page 4.

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Quote from: blacksails on April 11, 2014, 11:38:25 AM

Yeah, why do people do that? I mean, come on, it's a fact for christ sake!
What do they win from denying it? And even if they don't think it's true, what would be the problem with a green sustainable world?

If politicians, energy corporations, manufacturers... deny their part in climate change, they get to have more time to change. It's their livelihood you are talking about. Those people knows climate change is a reality, they can't admit to it openly. They do not want to face radical change, but the climate is not going to wait for them.

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Climate problems wouldn't exist in the first place if we weren't so dependent on oil. In fact our cities, our whole society is structured to promote today's car culture, to depend on oil. All this also protects the power of the military-industrial complex.

Bullshit

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8329612.stm - It did not take me long to find evidence of this, looks like there have been plenty of studies, the amount of humans and cows on this planet producing methane would easily overtake fossil fuels, there's also an issue the article rightly points out that in order to make space for the farming industry they've had to clear away lots of woodland which of course means that there are less plants to take in the Carbon Dioxide and turn it into Oxygen.

Again, while fossil fuels certainly contribute to the problem, I don't believe they are the main cause of the problem as hysterical people would have you believe, in order to solve this problem we'll either have to kill off half the population ( which of course no one sane would agree with ) or develop space flight and find planets to spread the population out more so it causes less damage to the atmosphere of our home planet.

Edit: I almost forgot about this, there is also this option but it would take mass production on a global scale: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/124383-bacteria-converts-carbon-dioxide-into-liquid-fuel

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The public discussion of climate change is a classic Machiavelli.

The "right" denies it exists at all.

The "left" want to fight it by higher taxes etc.

What is beneath the surface is once again the socialism for the rich. Those who cause pollution must be the ones who clean it up. But this cost is to be externalized to the public. This is the point that is never discussed. And this scheme has been going on since the beginning of the industrial revolution. Because of that, corporations were never incentivized or forced to develop cleaner technologies in the first place.

Climate problems wouldn't exist in the first place if we weren't so dependent on oil. In fact our cities, our whole society is structured to promote today's car culture, to depend on oil. All this also protects the power of the military-industrial complex.

Hemp has always been suppressed and demonized as one of the most promising and powerful alternatives, it would be too disruptive not only for the fossil fuels industry, but also for a lot of others.

http://www.hemp.com/2011/04/hemp-to-potentially-replace-reliance-on-fossil-fuels/
http://grist.org/business-technology/hemp-wonderplant/

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Climate Change is a fact for sure, but what's in open debate is whether it's really humans that are the cause for it and whether it's an unavoidable thing, for me, I've been convinced that it's simply because of the explosion in the human population and with that we've had an increase in all sorts of industries like the meat industries that produce carbon dioxide naturally, the earth simply isn't capable of holding this many people and it's showing.Even if you got rid of all the machines producing Carbon Dioxide you're still going to have the problem of global warming and climate change and again, while things like fossil fuels can certainly do damage to what I'll call the immediate environment with smog and things like that I don't think it will have as major impact as people like to believe.

Unfortunately lobbyists have completely ruined this particular scientific debate, I have no doubt of that, they keep constantly trying to mess with data and experiments for their own gains which makes it very difficult to get reliable information.

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Don't blindly assume that all scientists agree here but climate change is real, it certainly appears as though this number has been fudged with by only taking the extreme weather.

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Quote from: DAYAGO on April 16, 2014, 04:28:00 PM

I think people prefer to live in ignorance, it makes them live happily.

Billions of people are religious... we live in a very ignorant world.

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I think people prefer to live in ignorance, it makes them live happily.

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Quote from: blacksails on April 11, 2014, 01:48:20 PM

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I don't think most sceptics are opposed to greener energy or the stuff listed in that picture.

No, but many of them thinks it's unnecessary (and the picture was a joke to end the post).

They think what is unnecessary?

For example change from fossil fuel to renewable energy?

Do they? Fossil fuels will run out eventually so they won't have any choice.

Surprisingly many people do. They think that as long as we have fossil fuels there's no reason to even think about what we'll do when we run out of it. My post is because I discussed with a conservative idiot about this earlier today.

Well there's always going to be conservative idiots, but that doesn't mean all climate sceptics are.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on April 11, 2014, 01:33:19 PM

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I don't think most sceptics are opposed to greener energy or the stuff listed in that picture.

No, but many of them thinks it's unnecessary (and the picture was a joke to end the post).

They think what is unnecessary?

For example change from fossil fuel to renewable energy?

Do they? Fossil fuels will run out eventually so they won't have any choice.

Surprisingly many people do. They think that as long as we have fossil fuels there's no reason to even think about what we'll do when we run out of it. My post is because I discussed with a conservative idiot about this earlier today.

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Quote from: blacksails on April 11, 2014, 01:31:04 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on April 11, 2014, 01:30:20 PM

Quote from: blacksails on April 11, 2014, 01:28:45 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on April 11, 2014, 01:22:57 PM

I don't think most sceptics are opposed to greener energy or the stuff listed in that picture.

No, but many of them thinks it's unnecessary (and the picture was a joke to end the post).

They think what is unnecessary?

For example change from fossil fuel to renewable energy?

Do they? Fossil fuels will run out eventually so they won't have any choice.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on April 11, 2014, 01:30:20 PM

Quote from: blacksails on April 11, 2014, 01:28:45 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on April 11, 2014, 01:22:57 PM

I don't think most sceptics are opposed to greener energy or the stuff listed in that picture.

No, but many of them thinks it's unnecessary (and the picture was a joke to end the post).

They think what is unnecessary?

For example change from fossil fuel to renewable energy?

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Quote from: blacksails on April 11, 2014, 01:28:45 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on April 11, 2014, 01:22:57 PM

I don't think most sceptics are opposed to greener energy or the stuff listed in that picture.

No, but many of them thinks it's unnecessary (and the picture was a joke to end the post).

They think what is unnecessary?

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Quote from: hilariousandco on April 11, 2014, 01:22:57 PM

I don't think most sceptics are opposed to greener energy or the stuff listed in that picture.

No, but many of them thinks it's unnecessary (and the picture was a joke to end the post).

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I don't think most sceptics are opposed to greener energy or the stuff listed in that picture.

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Yeah, why do people do that? I mean, come on, it's a fact for christ sake!
What do they win from denying it? And even if they don't think it's true, what would be the problem with a green sustainable world?

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