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December 29, 2017, 02:21:06 AM
#55
I guess there is a huge hope now , especially after I saw Stunna post in other thread  Smiley

We'll be adding provably fair poker in 2018 @ stake.com

no much details given , but this is exactly what I wanted to see here and the reason why I opened this thread in the first place
stake is the most trusted gambling site here , and the user base is large so I'm sure that poker there will have real success
now at least we know that there is hope for bitcoin poker in 2018  Cheesy
Poker is a nice game as far as I am concerned because still old people who were gamblers in their young ages really enjoy playing poker and they know all the tips and tricks of this game which means that they have played it before. Poker has not a higher playing ratio than other games in gambling because people didn’t understand all the rules and regulations of this game after playing for one or two times.
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December 20, 2017, 08:40:10 AM
#54
I guess there is a huge hope now , especially after I saw Stunna post in other thread  Smiley

We'll be adding provably fair poker in 2018 @ stake.com

no much details given , but this is exactly what I wanted to see here and the reason why I opened this thread in the first place
stake is the most trusted gambling site here , and the user base is large so I'm sure that poker there will have real success
now at least we know that there is hope for bitcoin poker in 2018  Cheesy
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December 06, 2017, 10:31:10 PM
#53
Video poker is something like the real poker for the beginners because it allows you to play all the tips and tricks that gamblers use in real pokers so one cannot say that it has no use. Also it consists of all the rules and regulations as in real poking so it’s a good platform to learn what poking is.


Take it from someone who has won thousands of USD at both - none of what you've said here is true. You may be reading "video poker" as "online poker"? Video poker is a slot machine game. It is nothing like poker.
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December 06, 2017, 06:14:04 AM
#52
I don't even know, I also really think that a lot of people are looking for bitcoin poker site because it would be fun and exciting to play poker with bitcoin. However, a lot of people might lose a lot of bitcoin because of this. I think it is profitable to establish a bitcoin poker site because a lot of gamblers would surely go crazy.
There are so many sites offering bitcoin poker. At least I know of cryptogames. So we cannot really say we do not have bitcoin poker. The only difference here is you are not playing with another player but with the system and we all know that we cannot beat the house edge most especially when it comes to playing directly with the platform. It may be provably fair, who knows really ?

Video poker is not poker. They're completely different games, really nothing like each other except that they use the same hand rankings.
Video poker is something like the real poker for the beginners because it allows you to play all the tips and tricks that gamblers use in real pokers so one cannot say that it has no use. Also it consists of all the rules and regulations as in real poking so it’s a good platform to learn what poking is.

If these pokers were totally different from real ones then no one would have been using them but on checking, we see millions of users there.
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December 03, 2017, 10:42:30 AM
#51

Traffic = profit = more money to develop better site.  The traffic is all at pokerstars though, they have like 80-90% of market.
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December 03, 2017, 10:20:55 AM
#50
I think it has a ton to do with player traffic i would say. The bitcoin Poker community is probably rather large but it is stretched out over numerous sites and they can never seem to all come together. Seals With clubs was a great site for the introductory bitcoin poker player. If you searched bitcoin poker, SWC was always the number one site found. I think we've seen quite a few good poker clients come and go but it seems like the players are reluctant to give them a shot.

Yeah, your thinking is right, but in my thinking most of poker lover is here, but they don't want to play poker in bitcoin poker sites. May be we see less traffic is here and that's why we think in bitcoin gambling poker game has less player other than games.
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December 02, 2017, 08:49:15 PM
#49
I don't even know, I also really think that a lot of people are looking for bitcoin poker site because it would be fun and exciting to play poker with bitcoin. However, a lot of people might lose a lot of bitcoin because of this. I think it is profitable to establish a bitcoin poker site because a lot of gamblers would surely go crazy.
There are so many sites offering bitcoin poker. At least I know of cryptogames. So we cannot really say we do not have bitcoin poker. The only difference here is you are not playing with another player but with the system and we all know that we cannot beat the house edge most especially when it comes to playing directly with the platform. It may be provably fair, who knows really ?

Video poker is not poker. They're completely different games, really nothing like each other except that they use the same hand rankings.
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December 02, 2017, 07:55:31 PM
#48
 I think it has a ton to do with player traffic i would say. The bitcoin Poker community is probably rather large but it is stretched out over numerous sites and they can never seem to all come together. Seals With clubs was a great site for the introductory bitcoin poker player. If you searched bitcoin poker, SWC was always the number one site found. I think we've seen quite a few good poker clients come and go but it seems like the players are reluctant to give them a shot.
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December 02, 2017, 02:30:48 PM
#47
I don't even know, I also really think that a lot of people are looking for bitcoin poker site because it would be fun and exciting to play poker with bitcoin. However, a lot of people might lose a lot of bitcoin because of this. I think it is profitable to establish a bitcoin poker site because a lot of gamblers would surely go crazy.
There are so many sites offering bitcoin poker. At least I know of cryptogames. So we cannot really say we do not have bitcoin poker. The only difference here is you are not playing with another player but with the system and we all know that we cannot beat the house edge most especially when it comes to playing directly with the platform. It may be provably fair, who knows really ?
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December 02, 2017, 02:37:26 AM
#46
Usually bitcoin websites only care about dice and that's not good, some of them started thinking about sports betting and other games lately. I think another reason js that people don't care much about that but personally I find bitcoin for poker better and more funnier than simple currency. It will be great when you can bet 100 bits, 1000 and etc, playing on low but potentially high valuable money (btc). I think if more people request it, they will concider it like bitsler did it once on burstcoin.
Not like there are no bitcoin poker games in most of these sites, but I really wish there can be a multiplayer poker game on these sites.

At least with that we know we are playing against ourselves and not directly with what the platform is dealing us. I have tried it several times but man, no matter what you do, you can hardly win. So with that, I would better just stick to dice instead or other games which I think is what has really made dice to be more popular than all these other games.
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December 01, 2017, 01:43:38 AM
#45
Well we can see a lot of ICOs related to poker. I think we will see a huge increase of poker rooms soon. However, I am not sure, but it looks that online poker is slowly losing its popularity, so maybe there isn't many interest in opening such sites/platforms. But after all, it's only my personal opinion.



I really doubt that we'll see any popular Bitcoin poker rooms popping up any time soon, the popularity of poker in general has been going down for a couple of years now.
Combine that with the fact that there's only one really popular platform and it makes sense that no-one is willing to invest in opening up a poker website in Bitcoin.

I'm also thinking that it's way easier and more profitable to just set-up a regular casino. You don't tend to make much money from the rake as a casino, especially not if you don't have too many active players.
I'm sure Pokerstars makes quite a lot, but they are the largest.


It's going down also because of no place to play poker with our bitcoins here. I'm pretty sure when we got a huge big bitcoin poker sites, many people will back gambling on poker and gather on that bitcoin poker site. Maybe we will got that a big bitcoin poker site in the future.
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November 30, 2017, 05:16:24 PM
#44
Usually bitcoin websites only care about dice and that's not good, some of them started thinking about sports betting and other games lately. I think another reason js that people don't care much about that but personally I find bitcoin for poker better and more funnier than simple currency. It will be great when you can bet 100 bits, 1000 and etc, playing on low but potentially high valuable money (btc). I think if more people request it, they will concider it like bitsler did it once on burstcoin.
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November 30, 2017, 01:31:13 PM
#43
so I have asked myself this question a thousand time , some bitcoin gambling sites are having great success but yet we fail to see a single good poker room after seals with clubs stopped ( wasn't that good but comparing it with these times it was great )

we see thousands of bitcoins being gambled daily on sites like primedice , betkings , nitrogen ...etc but yet we don't have a single succeful poker site ( nitrogen room isn't good especially with that software they are using )

why the sites admins here aren't going for that ?? bitcoin poker can destroy all the big sites

I see a lot of poker pros like Dougpolk , Kevin Martin , Mike McDonald ...etc are investing in bitcoin and other crypto  so even big players will tend to play more bitcoin poker if there are some active sites

I hope to hear from the admins of the big sites as well , like stunna and dooglus
is it hard to launch a poker site ??

That's because online poker is dead.  Even Pokerstars', the biggest online poker site, traffic has been going down over the years.  That's because the players have realized that it's easy to play tight ABC poker, and fish are very few now.  So as games become tighter, not much money changed hands.  Then more and more players lose interest.

Tbh, poker can be quite boring if you have been playing long enough.


No I dont agree. It is not dead. We are dead.
Converting every bitcoin to dollar is why we are regretting every satoshi that we gamble. It became just an asset and dont want to spend it anymore or gamble it.
That is the problem here.
This gambling sites that we support could also go that way if all the bitcoin users will think like this.
We got to push it more to usage.
It is not dead. Just dont know how the stakes will be given considering the price fluctuations are too much.
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November 30, 2017, 10:31:16 AM
#42
I don't even know, I also really think that a lot of people are looking for bitcoin poker site because it would be fun and exciting to play poker with bitcoin. However, a lot of people might lose a lot of bitcoin because of this. I think it is profitable to establish a bitcoin poker site because a lot of gamblers would surely go crazy.
legendary
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November 30, 2017, 10:13:09 AM
#41
Well we can see a lot of ICOs related to poker. I think we will see a huge increase of poker rooms soon. However, I am not sure, but it looks that online poker is slowly losing its popularity, so maybe there isn't many interest in opening such sites/platforms. But after all, it's only my personal opinion.



I really doubt that we'll see any popular Bitcoin poker rooms popping up any time soon, the popularity of poker in general has been going down for a couple of years now.
Combine that with the fact that there's only one really popular platform and it makes sense that no-one is willing to invest in opening up a poker website in Bitcoin.

I'm also thinking that it's way easier and more profitable to just set-up a regular casino. You don't tend to make much money from the rake as a casino, especially not if you don't have too many active players.
I'm sure Pokerstars makes quite a lot, but they are the largest.
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November 30, 2017, 05:10:27 AM
#40
When I talk to poker players, many of them are very resistant to the idea of playing natively in BTC and keeping their bankrolls in BTC, because of the fluctuation and because they're constantly being told that it's a bubble.

Bitcoin poker seemed to be doing pretty well for a while, but then a lot of the existing rooms in the market started accepting BTC deposits and withdrawals while still offering play in USD, and that really killed the native market in a lot of ways. 

It's also really expensive to acquire new customers in the online poker industry, often USD150+ per, and tiny little BTC startups are not willing to put that kind of marketing spend into their projects.

I still think there's room for a good room to appear - the fiat poker industry is very vulnerable right now - but it needs to be somebody with dedication to their product and willingness to spend on marketing.
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November 23, 2017, 12:35:33 AM
#39
Well we can see a lot of ICOs related to poker. I think we will see a huge increase of poker rooms soon. However, I am not sure, but it looks that online poker is slowly losing its popularity, so maybe there isn't many interest in opening such sites/platforms. But after all, it's only my personal opinion.



It is right i also realize that online poker is losing its popularity, may be now only few poker players like to play in online poker game. Otherwise, i am not a player of poker also i can't play it. It need full of mind attention and skills and i am not a sharp player that's why i am happy with dice and sports betting.       
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November 22, 2017, 05:25:12 PM
#38
Well we can see a lot of ICOs related to poker. I think we will see a huge increase of poker rooms soon. However, I am not sure, but it looks that online poker is slowly losing its popularity, so maybe there isn't many interest in opening such sites/platforms. But after all, it's only my personal opinion.

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November 16, 2017, 11:28:54 AM
#37
poker is based on more of skill than any sort of luck and winning can give you higher rewarda because of this the most important issue is higher fees for gambling with poker and the reward being really high sites tend to not pay with any of their terms
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November 16, 2017, 10:51:35 AM
#36
There are two kind of players: 1) long-term winner ones (regs and pros) 2) long-term losers.

For 1) the main reason is traffic and how much they can make out of it. I’ve been a reg for quite a few years already and for me it is better to play micro limits in shitty pokerstar.es (where only players from Spain can play) than playing in crypto sites. Not to speak about professional players playing High Stakes at pokestars.com. There is nothing remotely similar to that in crypto sites.

For 2) it comes down to traffic and variety of games they can play.

A few things why I think there are not much good online poker gambling sites,

1. Because it is just a niche kind of gambling game. There is not much players looking to play poker to gamble. Since in poker you need to be more than lucky in it, you also need skill. There is a smaller chance to win in poker than in just playing games like dice, if you do not have enough skill.
2. Ultimately related to number 1, is that gambling sites and operators do not profit so much from it since there are not much players and there is really no house edge.
3. Takes so much time to finish a tournament, or even just a single game. This is a factor to consider for both players and the operators. Since most players do not really like to wait too much and the operators do not like to have a long game since it would cost a lot more to run their poker site eating their profits.


I don't thinks , maybe your points are right but IMO  I don't think so

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2- operators profit way more when it comes to poker as I stated , there is house edge and that's the rake
gambling sites easily make 5-10% of the buy in for tournaments , and they make money from cash games too without taking bankroll risks
in gambling when a player wins 100K he is winning it directly from the casino bankroll , while in poker this profit comes directly from other players


there are many players who are willing to  join a good bitcoin poker site , as long as the owrners are trusted , the software is good
we haven't had a single site like that so far , so can't know for sure

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at worst case the site can create a game like spin & go in stars , where games last like 5 mins on avg and people can choose the games that suit them



You are mistaken here. The main difference here is that, in poker, around 5% of long term players take money out of the system whereas in casino games no long term player takes money out. This is why all big poker sites have cut rakeback, have implemented more casino-like poker games like spins and have taken other measures that basically cut down profits for regs and pros. They don’t want people earning regular income from their sites. They want all the money for them.

The so-called “eco-system” in poker is a bit difficult to understand but that is the way it works.
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