Topic: Why do you browse the forum without notification? (Read 584 times)

I like your style to stir the pot! It does help the discussion move along and progress. Those notification bots are very interesting and I can see them being extremely helpful down the line. I could definitely use it!!! I find it very hard to keep track of everything having to go back and forth on this thread and that thread, and think a more streamlined approach would definitely help. I will check those bots out

I can confirm that too - but I haven't tried it so far.
I tend to look back at my own post history and find anyone manually citing my post. There are probably a few I would have missed if they weren't so important - but bot can save me a lot of time.

I don't have any notifications enabled that let me receive email from forums - in fact I rarely even check how many emails are filling up my inbox over a long period of time. Plus my account email is custom built and I only use it on forums - not on other platforms which would prevent me from getting a lot of newsletters.

I understand, right now bots have been helping forum users get quick notifications regardless of how many notifications they allow - so might try that soon too.

I also used notification bots a long time ago and still use them today. I got a notification and it will be easier for me to respond quickly. If I'm currently inactive, then I'll get it back the next day. While email notifications are very limited in terms of their functionality, in some ways I agree with _BlackStar.

I thank TryNinja for this masterpiece.

[TELEGRAM] Yet Another BitcoinTalk Notification BOT (merits, mentions, topics,+)

Bot notification is more convenient and safe than email notification. I cannot imagine spamming my email with any mention of my username. I don't visit my email often and I don't subscribe to third party newsletter. So, when a mail drops in my box, I know it is for work or other official messages that needs attention and not a forum mention by a random user.
I even want to stop the default pm notification through email.

Then, I do not think that merit notification is necessary. I can always login and see who dropped me merits or messages. But incase someone mentions me in an ongoing conversation or a different board I didn't visit, that's why I activated a bot notification.

It's not easy scrolling up and down repeatedly on a daily through the pages of threads you have made a comment on just to check if just maybe someone has mentioned or quoted your comment and it needs you to give an answer to it as a way of making the conversation lively and meaningful.
Later on I discovered the notification button and made sure I click on it in any thread I have just finished making a comment. And I always receive notification messages on my email  for new contributions made by others in those threads.

However the bot notification is much advance as it transient beyond just quotes and mention notifications but with merits too. And I just pick interest in using now knowing about it.

So far, bot notification are much more useful than email notification for certain things like merit, mention and quote etc. But email notification also have their uses even when you can't trust bots such as message notification, email change, and password change etc. But of course it would be great if the forum also had more complete notification like it has been possible with bots so far.

I use this bot to get notifications.

I think it's enough for me for now, as it gives you a notification when you get a merit or if a member mentions you or quotes your post.

I follow the notifications on the bot daily to see if there is any quote or mention in the thread in which I wrote to know if a member has a different opinion or has a question. This is very necessary for a proper discussion and full coverage of the topic.

There are email notifications as well, but they are general and not customized. I hope that there will be notifications within the same account in the forum instead of using the bot.[/list]

This is well written and it's going to make conversation to be more interesting and length because we could feel we want to pass information to any person that is having a contrary view to what you think does not worth it. This is one of the smart ways to keep conversation flowing without knowing that you have written more than the weekly posts that we are supposed to write. This is a quick way for us to get ourselves accustom to the community and share our opinions and views about what we feel about something. Op had pointed some of the ways we can keep ourselves busy in the forum by making interactions with others.

I use the Telegram Bot Notification, and it's very useful if you are an active poster, but I am not always an active poster. Like one or two weeks I actively post, and then the next couple weeks I will just be a silent reader, mainly because I am not always up for discussion, just observing what is happening in the forum. So to answer your question, not everyone is up for discussion some of us just want to get some news of the forum (and crypto in general), thats why we just browse the forum.

Those long and heated discussions only happen in drama threads - but on a quality topic, I found them very structured and well-moderated. Even so you'll find fewer users discussing technical threads where experts represent knowledge - but you'll probably get a lot of general threads that grab a lot of user attention.

But sure - all users have different interests in this forum. Many users are not interested in technical discussions because they lack knowledge - while they tend to interested towards general discussions that can help them express their opinion.

I haven't used any of the notifications on this forum, but I don't think it's too difficult. I always open my watchlist when browsing these forums. I did it several times, and it worked fine. I'll check the comments below mine and I'll reply if the discussion does require an answer.

However, most of the discussion here is just answers. After answering they never gave follow up questions. so that most of the discussion becomes stuck. Besides, if we discuss for too long it will go off topic, and that is something that is forbidden here. In my opinion, if the discussion heats up, it will definitely go everywhere and end up being OOT, and later it will return to the main topic. but that can't happen here, maybe it would be more fun if we had a long and heated discussion.

at start i was unaware of telegram bot but i maintained discussion. for this purpose i was to go each thread manually where i posted which was more time wasted then one member in our local board introduced telegram bot and now Its very easy easy for me to continue my discussion. now it is same like message chat.

Yes many member doing the same( just one reply to OP post and then no other reply). if you see altcoins discussion, you will find dozen of users there and the most worst is that you will find some user replying OP post created in 2021 or before (i mean that not looking for last discussion continues on thread)

I don't use any notification bot or tools available by the users. I don't feel like to use one too. There are many boards in my ignore list, it filters my visibility of the forum boards. When you don't have many boards to visit, your eyes are more focused, and you know where your interest is. Sometimes I use the forum search feature and it's more than enough for me.

Some topics and open messages do not necessitate argumentation, and a few posts may directly answer the question(s) before the thread is closed. I find the OP's activities commendable and appreciate their valuable contributions to the forum. However, the OP also mentioned that not all significant posts are acknowledged. I'm unsure about the meaning of the OP's statement regarding not reading the open message while still contributing to the thread.

IIRC Piggy (or someone) mentioned that theymos was not a fan of the flood of PMs the bot was creating. A built-in forum feature could mitigate that by e.g. automatically deleting the notifications after N days or just rolling it into the watchlist somehow.

That's why I have a healthy ignore list.

I still wonder what happened to Piggy. It reminds me: maybe @TryNinja can add a PM feature to his bot?

I must say I like seeing when I'm mentioned on some local board I can't read I wouldn't see it by just reading the forum.

I doubt that being mentioned somewhere and rushing to respond to some likely dipshit troll making ridiculous accusations is healthy at all.

Anyways, I used one of the early bots that sent PMs. It was fantastic. Having to use telegram or a third party site is enough of a hassle for me that I just don't see enough value in it to justify that. I can use forum search for my username if I was so vanity-inclined. Other than that, if someone really wants my attention they can PM me.

The forum works just fine without notifications. Go to the board of your choice, read the threads that seem interesting to you, and respond if you have anything to say. Put the thread in your watchlist (forum can do that automatically too) if you want to follow that discussion.

Having said that, a built-in notification function would be quite nice to have. Perhaps someone could do a patch for theymos. Doesn't seem like it would be too complicated. Forum search is halfway there already. Make some improvements to handle weird characters in usernames, actual notifications via PM/e-mail/definitely not telegram, maybe some AI GPT robot overlord to filter out common words (j/k).

I don't use the notification bot not for any reason, but because I know how to get back to my responses, which I think would get a quote from other users. I go to my profile and click the button "show the last posts of this person" there I can go back to trace my comments if anyone joined my argument. Although, I don't do it for all my responses, yet it seems like I've mastered a way of knowing any of my response that is likely to get quoted by members. The forum can be boring if I don't visit threads that I've commented on, just like Op said, it shows I know about the topic and can contribute further if a person doesn't understand or agree with what I wrote.

I've always had it set up like this. And in more important topics, I have the email notification. So I don't miss anything.

I use notification bots more, just to be aware of the merits I receive (to understand where they are given from) and posts that "call" for me, and thus be able to respond. Otherwise I do everything with the "watchlist".

Ok!



Before I started using notification bolts, I didn't find it difficult browsing the forum because I was concentrated in one aspect of the forum. But joining discussions in different boards made me look into the notification bots way.

When you were not using bots, if someone mentions Rikafip or yahoo62278 in a thread you have not posted on(you are not watching) do you get notified with the forum default notification system?

Edit:
I have thought I was saying offpoint until I saw this. Thanks LoyceV for this quote. Even theymos figure out how surprising it is that some users browse the forum without a notifier.

The forum doesn't have weekly post quota. I know what you mean, but it sounds really bad if that's why you're creating posts.

I was okay without notifications for years, but it got a lot easier with this:
It wasn't very intuitive to use, until I read this:

I've been active on various forums for ~20 years now without notification bots and I had no issues engaging in discussions, or tracking answers to my replies so I don't think that its mandatiry to use one, even on this forum (hell, first two years I didn't use bot here neither).

True, bots are making it easier to track some stuff, but I don't think that they affect this forum as much as you think they do, nor they make it a better place.

The way the details are listed indicates someone begging for merits who trying to get more Merits to join signature campaigns.
In the future, I hope that you will try to tell your thoughts differently, because they appear in the form of unintended hints, such as:

In general, I have not activated a bot before, however, if you are interested in a discussion, it will definitely follow all the responses received without the need for a notification bot. In fact, forum conversations have gone on for years without these bots.

I don't have active notifications on my mobile, from any App. I understand that many people have notifications activated on the forum as a useful tool, but in my case I prefer to do as I do with my mobile, and what I do is go back to the posts where I have written to see what has been said, although this means that from time to time I miss what someone has said quoting me, but I prefer it like that. And I can assure you that if the conversation is interesting enough I don't miss any answers.

I use a notification bot, but that doesn't mean that everytime someone says my name I feel like I need to come post on the forum. I tend to only reply if someone else hasn't already answered the person for me. That seems to be a normal thing around here, lots scramble to get their weekly quota. I could get by without the bot as I'm not in as much of a hurry as I feel some other users are.

Seems like there are lots looking for an edge. They're in too much of a hurry for whatever reason. You can browse the forum and see the threads you have replied in pretty easily. You can also go to your post history and see where you have replied and go read replies after your post. Bots are convenient for sure, but a person can get by without it.

Well, I have a notification bot, but even so, it continued to use a lot of the fantastic tool that the forum itself has:
Watchlist
Whenever I enter the forum, and before searching for new topics, I look at all the topics where I've already replied and have new responses. Then I answer the ones I have to answer.


Now, I agree that sometimes we wait for feedback or response from some users, and it seems like they just disappeared. I don't know if this is a widespread problem or not. But I feel it sometimes, no doubt.

Personally, I always try to respond and continue the conversations, when this is relevant.

I haven't tried it or I don't have any idea about the notification you mentioned, apart from what you said, as far as I know, we all here in the forum have the freedom to give our own opinions, even if it is contrary to what we say. in our interaction, in my opinion, that's okay as long as it's properly delivered to the other person here on the forum.

Actually, interacting in this way can even lead to a healthy discussion on the topic made by the author, right? And others can also give good tips in addition to our idea and knowledge.

I don't remember there is any bots which notifies mentions or someone quoting your post when I registered here and not the merit system either for a while. So I remember going through all the pages to see how the discussion is going and it was good old days though. Then multiple bots came which made the life easier still it's easier to find out someone who simply post for meeting their weekly quota or engaging in actual discussions.

I am one who didn't try to chase merit and lick someone to get the thing, I am just trying to be me and you know I haven't met that high ranks like other members, no offence about anyone with due respect just talking about myself.

As you can see that everyone has different opinions from each other to what they want just as you've stated yours, since it's not part of the forum's rules, people are free to make use of this kind of opportunity which i count as not being an abuse, some user will only visit a thread and drop their one time opinion and that's all while some will always follow up the thread to keep on with the discussion through the notification, i hope you agree with me that not every thread you need to follow up time to time especially when it's not such you created or have more interest on the discussion after giving your first opinion on it.


One thing i like more about this forum is that they merit sources always do justice where and when needed as appropriately, I've seen high ranks members, merit source, making replies on a thread and they dont receive merits and a low rank member receiving merits by another merit source on that same thread, this is all about quality delivery and how you feel touched by what any user posted irrespective of his rank or position.

I meant that some members of this forum doesn't use the forum in a better way that promotes healthy discussion. They will login their accounts, punch in some posts and offline without regards to other activities happening in the forum. They do not also join conversations, at most they will reply the OP directly and that's it.
Some of the campaign managers who read these posts weekly frown at that pattern of posting which I also emphasised in OP.

Hhampuz  hinted on this when he made changes in the Roobet campaign

Royse777 likes it when users engage in conversations in different boards rather than dropping random unconnected posts to complete the campaign requirements [/color]

I had to do some search to get these posts from the managers. I believe you must have understood my points. It is not actually easy to make some connected sentences for understanding of others let alone for their reading pleasure.

It will definitely be useful but you already mentioned that you don't use telegram. Unless you will set up one only for this purpose. It's really hectic using this forum without mention bots. You will definitely miss out some conversations or mentions.

I think another reason why they do not participate in discussions is that they usually do not read previous posts and do not delve into the essence of the topic, so their posts fall out of the general narrative, and few people want to write comments on their posts or mention them. This is really annoying and confusing. And this is also another problem associated with alt accounts.

There can be different reasons. Sometimes someone can see no need in answering, someone can ignore someone else's messages, someone just don't want to answer in some exact case, — no one is obliged to answer.

But there are many who never or nearly never answer, this is not occasional. If you are interested in some topic you anyway follow it, so you'll see someone answers you. Maybe not using a notifier you'll miss some answers but not most of answers.

Those ones who use multiple alt accounts usually don't care. They change campaigns they participate easily, they don't care if one of their accounts is excluded from participating, they will make several new. They are not interested in what they are talking about. They don't use notifiers because they don't care if they are answered or mentioned anywhere. I'd say that OP is not the only one who is a bit annoyed when there are users who post a lot but don't ever take part in discussions.

I noticed that there are users on the forum who do not respond to comments or questions on their posts. But I thought that they simply do not see them, because they do not have access to notifications about replies to their posts. It seems to me that telegram bots help a lot to keep abreast of events and not miss replies to your posts, thus supporting the discussion. For example, I use @BTTSuperNotifier_bot. There you can see not only the answers to your posts, but also the appearance of new topics in the threads you are interested in, as well as the received merits.

But I didn't think such users weren't answering because they weren't interested or because they didn't think it was necessary. Although now I understand that this is a fairly plausible reason. But if they're doing it just to get the required number of campaign posts, does that count quality posts by a good manager? It seems to me that if they do this on an ongoing basis, they will either be excluded from good signature campaigns, or they will only be taken in bounties, where the requirements for posts are much lower, but the payment is accordingly suspicious.

I ever saw the Bitcointalk Notification Bot. But I really aware of using 3rd party in my app (telegram bot). So would you share your experience by using this kind of notication? is it really safe? Because I ever saw an article about Warning using Bots on Telegram.

When you reply in a topic or you add it to your watch list, you will see that topic appears at top of the list "Show new replies to your posts"  (on top).

I know it is not a perfect notification but it is usable.

If it is your job, following that topic is not time wasting or at least you can follow post history of the manager or you can do both. Managers usually don't make too many posts so it is not difficult to follow their post histories and get updates about campaigns.

Forum notifications and emails. Customize those options.

OP, could you elaborate on the second part of the above statement (about the complaining thing)?  And I have to admit I'm guilty as hell of not following up on posts I've made and who might have replied to them--but I've had that habit since I registered, I guess.  Unless it's a very hot drama thread, I usually just share my opinion or whatever and don't expect anyone to really engage me in a conversation.  Sometimes I stumble across a reply to a post I'd made months prior, when it's too late to respond for fear of necrobumping, and it makes me slap my head.

I'm not looking to increase my post count as you mentioned a notification bot could help in doing, but I think I might just look into it for shits & giggles.  I've been seeing mentions of said bots for a long time now, and for whatever reason I can't break the habit of being closed-minded about tech stuff I've never used.  Sounds like a bot would be useful to me, even after all these years on the forum doing things the hard way.

I like to use Ninjastic.space. All I do is enter my username in the search box, and voila! I can easily view all the posts where someone has mentioned me. I mean, the notification bot might be great too, but I am already accustomed to my own method.

True, when you read carefully you will understand that some persons aren't really interested in what they talk. A close check will reveal that some even contradict themselves at the course of discussion.


Did the OP say he doesn't read Original Post before diving into discussion?

The Original Post is very important. The first thing to do when you open a post is to read the first post of the Original Poster because it is the independent variable that controls the comments which now becomes the dependent variable. You cannot understand the thread without reading the first post.    


Going back to your past discussion is necessary because there might be some clarifications you may need to make and some questions you might need to answer or ask. You can easily flow with the discussion and it will help you to write quality posts without stress. Notification bots can help you to access these posts easily and also make you posting more interesting. I totally stand with OP that installing this notification bot is important.  


The social media is not a friendly place to visit. It is very easy to stay out of range from scammers and hackers if you stay clear from social media. But is has become a necessity that cannot be put aside.

I didn't use any notifier for years and netheless I looked through the topics I posted anything for at least several days in case someone will answer me. If I didn't answer then it was only when I thought that my answer will be unnecessary. So if it was not @me in the topic I didn't write anything in I saw that someone answered me.

As for those who don't answer. I see many who never answers. It is not a mean of not knowing about that they have an answer, they just don't want. They write some exact number of posts for a signature campaign, usually many of them answer only the first post in the topic or even just its title. If they'll start using notifier they'll won't answer anyway. Especially those ones who have a bunch of accounts. They are not really interested anyhow in what they talk about.

Before I discovered the notification bot thread, I was still replying to my quoted replies. How I did it back then was to enable notification for each of the threads that I last visited. Every new comment that dropped there, I always got notifications about it, and when I went back to the threads, I checked to see if I was mentioned or not. Sometimes I also found some interesting new comments that dropped under the thread, which I might pick up on by either asking questions or throwing more light on the discussion. Another thing I usually do is search my name in the search section every 24 hours to check if I was mentioned by any member or something came up with my name.
 
To be honest, this notification bot is really helpful and has reduced the stress of searching and doing all that other manual checking stuff. I believe there are a lot of people who are still aware of the notification bot, and a few who are aware don't like making use of Telegram and, as such, won't want to create one because of that.

 
We are all entitled to our own different opinions, and I don't think going against someone based on your own understanding is enough reason for them not to give you some merit if you deserve it. There are actually polite ways of telling someone they are wrong without attaching some insult to it, and when such is done, no harm can come with it.

How do people that doesn't use quotes or mentions notification bots browse this forum? I mean, it is wrong and does not promote healthy discussion. I am a user who is always not excited by whatever is in the opening topic (OP). I rather go through the flowing conversation to see who holds opposite opinion with me, then I will go in for some kind of debate in order to come out of the conversation more informed. Although this has its backlash, some merits sources will not hand out merits to you if you challenge their opinions, that is why some users prefer to lick the ass of others maybe to be in their good book for merits._{Pardon me for a slight off topic}

It's sometimes hurting when you quote or mention someone with the mind to further engage in conversation with the person, but the fellow might never return again to the thread. Could it be these set of users that Royse777 and Hhampuz complain that they use the forum in a wrong way or they post for weekly pay.

If you use notification bots, it will not be difficult to complete and exceed your weekly post quota. There will also not be a slight room for AI usage. If you engage in meaningful conversation in upto three threads, it is possible you can make even more than 10 posts a day and also will be learning new things.
People who doesn't use any of these notification bots should try and activate one to promote quality and meaningful discussion in the forum.

Recommendations

• [TELEGRAM] Yet Another BitcoinTalk Notification BOT (merits, mentions, topics,+)
• LoyceV's notification bot (7 days retroactive)

I know of others but I'm not sure they are still maintained till date. If you have recommendations for this service, you can drop and I will gladly add to Op.