Thanks for the info. How much do you think hoppers affect the prop payouts on a large pool like deepbit?
Here is one individual's thoughts. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.802847
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Here is one individual's thoughts. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.802847
Thanks for the info. How much do you think hoppers affect the prop payouts on a large pool like deepbit?
I don't think very much. I have always been very close to my expected calculated payout on deepbit. Sometimes over, sometimes under. 
Thanks for the info. How much do you think hoppers affect the prop payouts on a large pool like deepbit?
Sorry, just recently started following the pool threads since I am @ ~20GH and are exploring my options.
What is wrong with prop? I tired a few other ones (I won't single them out here) but I am still with deepbit because I don't have to worry about invalid blocks. AFAIK, everything else you lose with invalid blocks, which I have seen as high as 4% on some pools.
To put it very simply, reduced income is the problem. The cause is pool hoppers, which mine a certain way to maximize their profit while reducing your payout. The solution is to mine on a pool with a hopper-proof payout algorithm, or to become a hopper yourself. (In order of difficulty).What is wrong with prop? I tired a few other ones (I won't single them out here) but I am still with deepbit because I don't have to worry about invalid blocks. AFAIK, everything else you lose with invalid blocks, which I have seen as high as 4% on some pools.
You may wish to consider p2pool for your miners, so that you aren't tied to a pool which can crash. You can keep regular pools for backup.
Sorry, just recently started following the pool threads since I am @ ~20GH and are exploring my options.
What is wrong with prop? I tired a few other ones (I won't single them out here) but I am still with deepbit because I don't have to worry about invalid blocks. AFAIK, everybody else you lose with invalid blocks, which I have seen as high as 4% on some pools.
What is wrong with prop? I tired a few other ones (I won't single them out here) but I am still with deepbit because I don't have to worry about invalid blocks. AFAIK, everybody else you lose with invalid blocks, which I have seen as high as 4% on some pools.
Im still on deepbit because i Fucking hate having Three Open Windows just to mine.... rather than One, just like D&T had stated earlier...
We need to Pack all these multiple things into one gui!, Then P2Pool could actually spread!
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/cc817881We need to Pack all these multiple things into one gui!, Then P2Pool could actually spread!
I'm fairly sure Debian has something similar.
Wow dude... all AMDhd cards come with MultiDesktop... and hydragrid
.... With your logic i mayaswell openup another monitor and drag the windows over to it, atleast that way i'll save some cpu and ram.
Seriously i dont want to Minimize, or Hide it, I want One Running Window...
Some more informations about Deepbit.net here. Nothing ground breaking, but it shows they're honest. Also quantifies the difference between expected rewards for PPS and prop (ignoring pool hopping).
Im still on deepbit because i Fucking hate having Three Open Windows just to mine.... rather than One, just like D&T had stated earlier...
We need to Pack all these multiple things into one gui!, Then P2Pool could actually spread!
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/cc817881We need to Pack all these multiple things into one gui!, Then P2Pool could actually spread!
I'm fairly sure Debian has something similar.
No, I am firmly behind DGM, but I also understand the allure of PPS for miners. It may take quite awhile, but I don't think there's going to be anything but PPS, except with smaller "botique" pools in the somewhat distant future. All other methods, beyond perhaps pure proportional, just seem too hard to understand for the general populous. PPS is simple, and people are going to gravitate towards that.
PPS is likely the final configuration of BTC pools; all other methods will most likely eventually fade away.
No longer evangelizing DGM? 
PPS is likely the final configuration of BTC pools; all other methods will most likely eventually fade away.
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Yeah I misread... why do you say no one uses proportional anymore? AFAIK, no one uses PPS anymore.
Is this a serious statement?
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Yeah I misread... why do you say no one uses proportional anymore? AFAIK, no one uses PPS anymore.
Is this a serious statement?
No one uses prop anymore unless they don't know what they are doing..All those people have small miners. The exception would be pool hoppers.
Why would a pool hopper go PPS? No one uses prop anymore unless they don't know what they are doing..All those people have small miners. The exception would be pool hoppers.
Why would a pool hopper go PPS?No one uses prop anymore unless they don't know what they are doing..All those people have small miners. The exception would be pool hoppers.
Why would a pool hopper go PPS?
No one uses prop anymore unless they don't know what they are doing..All those people have small miners. The exception would be pool hoppers.
Deepbit's website recently stated that it had reached 1M BTC mined. They take a 3% fee, so 1M is 30,000 BTC, or about $150,000. I wouldn't be surprised if half of that was taken up by hosting costs on anti-DDOS servers and refunding people for rejected shares and bad blocks. So I don't think Tycho has a ton of money from this.
Ummm... about that fee...It's 3% only on proportional. It's actually 10% (TEN PERCENT) on PPS.
Deepbit's website recently stated that it had reached 1M BTC mined. They take a 3% fee, so 1M is 30,000 BTC, or about $150,000. I wouldn't be surprised if half of that was taken up by hosting costs on anti-DDOS servers and refunding people for rejected shares and bad blocks. So I don't think Tycho has a ton of money from this.
Ummm... about that fee...It's 3% only on proportional. It's actually 10% (TEN PERCENT) on PPS.
Deepbit's website recently stated that it had reached 1M BTC mined. They take a 3% fee, so 1M is 30,000 BTC, or about $150,000. I wouldn't be surprised if half of that was taken up by hosting costs on anti-DDOS servers and refunding people for rejected shares and bad blocks. So I don't think Tycho has a ton of money from this.
Ummm... about that fee...It's 3% only on proportional. It's actually 10% (TEN PERCENT) on PPS.
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