Topic: Why do you want to play on casinos without KYC requirements? - page 3. (Read 778 times)

If I were underage or lived in a country where I couldn't have access to any casinos in a legal way, due to them banning every customers from my country, of course I would want to avoid being identified and I wouldn't consider myself a criminal for that reason. Maybe towards the law and the local moral code I would be considered one, but there are universal values which go beyond local rules, that might be moral, but not ethical. A good example of this is the fact that to persecute jews in Nazi Germany was considered moral, and those who didn't do this were considered traitors and criminals.

So, if someone is called a criminal for going against a moral code, while following an universal one, in order to practice or fight for his freedom, let them call you a criminal... It doesn't mean anything pejorative against you, after all.

KYC plays an important role in suppressing any illegal activities. Although Crypto Casino was intended as a gambling platform without KYC, many miscreants are taking advantage of this opportunity, which is one of the reasons for breaking the peace order for any country. KYC plays an important role to get rid of such situations. Moreover, KYC has also been made mandatory as per the laws of the country. If there is no misuse of KYC information then I don't think it will be too much of a problem for anyone but otherwise there is a risk of gamblers losing their information.

I am not against KYC requirement in gambling but the thing is our privacy and security. When there is a data breach our personal information will surely be compromised. KYC is good to be honest as it prevent the possible money laundering and scammers or any other illegal activities within gambling sites and or facilities.

The risk of providing KYC is your data could be misused. Either directly from the one asking or due to mishandling and hacks. Theft of identity and thousands of complicated situation arising from it.
And with the crypto and gambling most people do want to stay anonymous for personal and legal reasons.
Even in my jurisdiction, gambling with crypto is a gray zone, I have never paid taxes on gambling profits and I don't want my government to know about it and providing KYC would make it easier for the government to blanket prosecute every users.

Yes of course everyone has their own worries in themselves especially when it comes to their personal data, and of course as you said that is why some gamblers choose to move to other platforms that can be accessed without having to do KYC, it's because of their fears, while on the other hand it is not uncommon for several cases to occur about some people who are victims of misuse of their personal data by other irresponsible people.

Actually, KYC can be a problem because of the level of concern from gamblers, and I think that's a normal thing because it involves someone's personal data. KYC can be harmful and it can still be safe it depends on you yourself in choosing a casino in my opinion, like what you did, maybe for you KYC is not too problematic because you choose a casino that has a high enough popularity and has also been trusted for a long time, that's good advice and maybe some people can follow your way to choose the right casino even though you have to do KYC but with a high level of trust in the casino I think it is unlikely that your personal data will be misused by other parties because trusted casinos will usually have tighter security.

Truly privacy is our basic right. If you can shut the door and shut the windows to prevent people from looking in I think your privacy is secured but when you shut the door and open the windows, it makes no sense because people would still peep through the windows  to see for themselves what is happening inside the room. This is the case of third parties and KYC. This is why I detest KYC. Of what point is it doing KYC and what is the guarantee that your details are well protected if the third parties themselves claiming to protect your details suffer hack.

Isn't it weird that they care too much about anonymity though? I get it you're on the Internet but the government and your ISP already knows who you are so how are we going to be that paranoid about our anonymity when there's already people that knows us and there's no person here that's totally off the grid so I don't see why worry about anonymity. I think that the only reason why people want no KYC casinos is because they don't trust anyone and a lot of them are probably money launderers or at least mules of money launderers so they want less flak on them as much as possible. You can't really blame the people who advocate for no KYC casinos as there are scum casinos that will sell your data to a third party which are often malicious in nature.

This is what has been happening all along, where new or smaller casinos are unable to pay out the winnings that gamblers get from gambling. And those casinos will ask gamblers to do KYC to delay their payments.

Everything you say is to reduce the problems that can arise in casinos, but crypto gamblers don't want to do KYC because many crypto gamblers gamble with small amounts of money and don't use crypto to make money. For reasons like this, crypto gamblers don't want to do KYC, especially with the many frauds committed by these shady casinos. Gamblers want to avoid experiencing it.

However, in the future, every gambler who wants to gamble must carry out KYC because there may be many illegal cases occurring, and the government wants to control them. The government does not want to see its regulations misused by irresponsible people, so it tries to apply its regulations to all casinos so that the casinos also apply them to the gamblers in their casinos.

You and me both know why some casinos does this... right? You mostly find this happening with "new" or "smaller" casinos, because they do not have the funds to pay out huge wins. So they will ask for KYC verification to delay the payment, so that they can get funds to pay it.

They also hope that they can find something in the KYC documents to deny the payout of the win. We are not dealing with people that are selling Bibles here.... some of them have tainted backgrounds and connections with very shady operations. 

That's true! If the casino is comfortable with people depositing lots of money and will not demand KYC, why would they ask for it after a win and withdrawal request? I know many nations or regulators mandate casinos to enforce KYC policies but some casinos are taking advantage of it. They will use the KYC to fraudulently delay payment and sometimes freeze customer's funds. Doesn't it mean that the funds become tinted only when they are coming out of the casino

Using no KYC as a business strategy to attract customers is not bad. But it is important to give your clients a long time notice before changing the casino policy. You shouldn't assure gamblers that they don't need KYC but when it is time to withdraw a big win, you start asking for KYC. Let everything the gambler needs to know be in your terms of service, there should be no hidden terms.

Because regulators noticed casinos, casinos started implementing KYC for their members so everything changed. Those of us who often gamble also have to be aware of this, so we need to prepare the documents if the casino asks us to do KYC at any time. And we also can't do anything when the casino asks us to do KYC. But we as gamblers also have the choice not to use that casino and move to another casino that provides more comfort because gamblers play at that casino to get comfort too.

When we move to another casino for the reason that we don't want to do KYC, the casino will not force us to stay at the casino. The casino gives us the freedom to continue using the casino for gambling or move to another casino.

what I understand at the moment is that it all depends on each individual goals, when someone who really cares about their anonymity they will always avoid KYC and refuse to do KYC, but for gamblers who dont really care about anonymity they can do KYC even if its because they have to. like some people who may already really believe in the casino site which has more high trust and find it difficult to accept other casinos, of course they will do KYC just to be able to gamble on the site and there are also people who register at a casino that requires KYC because of work demands. campaign.

still, it all depends on each individual, but I personally choose to do KYC to avoid something happening like what the OP wrote.

Money laundering business is at advantage for those running a casino than people using the casino to gamble, it makes no sense that KYC can reduce money laundering in casinos, if I want to launder money I won't choose a casino because its not mine, out of my total control, anyway, many people have already gave good points about KYC and gambling but what I know is that crime and illegal activities are always off the plain site, they happened where you won't look into, if any casino is going to run any illegal activities they will be registered and legalized, this will make the casino the last place to would suspect of any illicit activities.

People don't know that those who have the power to make rules are the ones capable of criminal activities, and they will operate easily without any suspicions.

Now I do believe that KYC is compulsory for different reasons and I don't have problem with that, but privacy is a big concern online, most people don't want to be tracked that's why they value their privacy, I don't blame them because those centralized power are used to doing such things, I hate banks for this.

I've never been against KYC especially if it's a service that would be used for a long time like a gambling site. But maybe for those who will just use it for a short amount of time, it will be an issue.
I asked my friends before why they don't want their information leaked out and most of the answers are mostly about their privacy. They don't want to send IDs, passports, or whatever the gambling site is requiring just so they can gamble a bit.
I didn't debate with them because it's going to be a long explanation. I think they should also know what the gambling site will be risking if they don't follow the rules of the country they are in.
I have played only once in a dice site that has no KYC. After that, I just stayed with the reputable ones even though I needed to send some information about myself.
There may be people who like keeping their anonymity but for me, there's a right place for that.

For some people they are not comfortable when their identity is known when playing online gambling, especially since there are many cases of hacking targeting online platforms, they are worried that their identity will be hacked and traded online and that threatens their privacy, maybe that is a factor why they prefer to use gambling platform without KYC. But for me personally, I don't really have a problem when my gambling platform asks for KYC, because the gambling platform I use is quite popular and the security is quite good, moreover they have been regulated in several countries so it is quite safe in my opinion.

It does not matter how you look at it, KYC verification is inevitable. Let's look at how KYC are enforced and when it happens to understand this. Example : A casino will start out small with virtually a few hundred gamblers and they want to stand out from their competition, so they announce that they do not ask for KYC verification.

This goes on for a few years and they gain MANY gamblers, but as they grow... regulators start to notice them and they track them down and confront them with options... "either implement KYC or get shutdown" .... so suddenly you see sites with no KYC requirements, starting to ask for people to verify their identity.

So in conclusion : They start with No KYC requirements and are then forced to implement it.   

It is said in these parts "conchita de mango." -/ I leave it in Spanish for its best translation, but, meaning that you slip, you fall, in a situation that is not how you analyzed it in the first instance, given the play of ideas in the context/-.

KYC is not necessarily relevant for most players, they do it and that's it, hey, it has always existed.
Then, in reality with no KYC something similar happens to what happened with porn in the early 90s on the Internet. Those years, it was embarrassing to put your DBT, where later in your account statements you literally had "Porno hub" publicly, that was solved in many ways, but, that are another story.

Well, the majority of serious players seeks to protect their privacy and is what is really tempting to choose that path, then you protect your information that is always at risk and you guarantee your security.

Then it happens that KYC, unfortunately in my opinion, is applied very poorly, fortunately only in some casinos, who want to take advantage of those "legal grays" to delay withdrawals, or they used AML to ask you not only for your legal information, to your neighbor too (sarcasm).

In short, that is a good reason to opt for casinos that offer no KYC, at least partially that idea currently since reputable crypto casinos are in the idea of doing KYC.

And it is sad to think that because of a few "criminals" the vast majority of players have to be affected by their right to privacy.

You're repeating the words of Klauss Schwab here who said that if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't be afraid of CBDC.

Why do you shut your doors and close your windows? Let people look inside, unless you have something to hide.

I'm against KYC and yes, I have things to hide. We all do! Privacy is our basic right.

There are plenty of advantages in playing in KYC free casinos and using KYC free services in general.

For one, your money should be immutable and you should be able to use it for your entertainment without any restrictions. If I wanted to go to the theater for instance but was forbidden for having an Arab Surname, then my money holds less value just because I was also asked to provide my name.

We've been asked to identify ourselves in so many places and in so many ways that we've forgotten that the norm is just paying cash for a service you receive. Nothing short of that. Your name being attached to every payment you make isn't a feature that protects you, it's a feature that restricts you. People that want to enjoy maximum freedom with their money do it by keeping it separate from their identity, and it makes perfect sense.

Normally I try as much as possible to avoid that route and if I can go all out without having to give out my personal IDs and other numbers that can be used to trace and tax you on several things is why most of us rather play in online casinos that accept cryptocurrencies which give us the 100% privacy and other security,  although the government may want to exact tax from the citizens through the KYC which will be used to trace citizens income.


So aside from the government, KYC of of no benefit to either the casino or the gambler, so in the end, only the government benefits from the KYC mandatory, no wonder KYC always comes from licensed casinos that are regulatory compliant.