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legendary
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December 22, 2015, 11:36:15 AM
#41
Cryptocurrency, bitcoin included, is great to buy goods and services on a global level.  If I am canadian, buying from china for example.  I have to convert to usd, then send it, then they convert it back to their local currency.  with btc its simpler and the fees are lower.  transaction times are fast compared to a wire transfer.  Also its peer to peer, no passing through a bank or other intermediary.  The block chain tech is useful for record keeping and it is safe, secure, fast and innovative.  I have bought many things, usually with dogecoin as transaction times are much faster.  Those that say its just a store of value are wrong.  Bitcoin derives its value from its usage and how useful it is.
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December 22, 2015, 05:22:54 AM
#40
I use bitcoins because I don't have to depend on a bank or any corporate company to deal with my bitcoins or transactions. It's easy to use for me and faster than any bank out there. I store my money into bitcoin as well, it has much potential to grow in value in the upcoming years.
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December 22, 2015, 05:03:07 AM
#39
I am using bitcoins as a savings account. I can invest into bitcoins as well as save up for the future.
I believe that bitcoin will be worth a lot in 10 years, that's why I am investing and saving up bitcoins.
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December 22, 2015, 04:59:21 AM
#38
If I phone up and order something using debit/credit card I have to give over all my card details, now they aren't supposed to keep my details but there's nothing stopping them.  Makes for extremely easy theft.  Now if I paid with Bitcoin I wouldn't have that problem.
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December 22, 2015, 12:07:06 AM
#37
ITS ABOUT THE ECONOMY WHICH IS FAILING IN THE FIAT AREA AND THE POWER OF PEOPLE TO CREATE SOMETHING REVOLUTIONARY!!!

Now you put some effort and "waste time" like you say but one day ill buy some fiat from you so i can whipe my butt Wink

I think this question you have is very pointless...you can ask the same thing about many thing

Why go in the bank if there is drive trough
Why build shops if EVERYTHING is online
Even you writting your post is waste of time so why did you do it?

Its more knowledge and believing in something and best part is when more and more people believe in the same in the good Smiley
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December 21, 2015, 10:09:39 PM
#36

Basically you have a choice: a) just pay instantly using your debit/credit card, or b) pay using BitCoins after wasting some of your time.

Bitcoin easier to use than the debit card or credit card, and I think most people will agree with me. Tongue


I do agree with you, when I shop using debit/credit card (because the merchant doesn't accepts Bitcoin), I am always worried that my credit/debit card information might get stolen and someone might steal the money from my account or shop using my credit card. But when paying with Bitcoin I don't have to worry about these things, because no one other than me can know my private key and even if they did, by the time they do any damage, my funds would have moved from there to another address. So A.) Its more Secure.

B.) I am in control of my funds, banks can't seize my funds for whatever reason.
C.) I don't have to pay huge fees to banks for holding and spending my own funds.

Those are some of the reasons I prefer shopping with BTC but OP if you don't feel like using it, no one is forcing you to.
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December 21, 2015, 08:00:03 PM
#35
We don't use bitcoin for the anonymous purposes. We use it because it has a 21,000,000 coin cap, and because it's not controlled by the goverments. It's not really taxable unless you cash it into fiat, too!
legendary
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December 21, 2015, 07:42:56 PM
#34
No one forces you to use Bitcoin. No one pays with gold yet that doesn't mean gold is valueless. The value in Bitcoin is in its amazing money features, not if people use it to do groceries.
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December 21, 2015, 07:01:39 PM
#33
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December 21, 2015, 06:59:02 PM
#32
I don't get it, now that I investigated and read much more about BitCoins and altcoins.

BitCoins are not secure, not private, not anonymous and to use them - you need extra effort.

Payments made through debit/credit cards are instant and most people keep their money in the bank (in fact, most workplaces choose to pay money only to your bank account now). That said, to use Bitcoin you'd have to buy BitCoins, which creates extra effort. Why do that? I don't get it!

Basically you have a choice: a) just pay instantly using your debit/credit card, or b) pay using BitCoins after wasting some of your time.

I always thought BitCoin was about privacy and anonymity, but clearly it isn't (just read the news...), so that argument goes straight outta window. Other than that, I see zero advantages, and considering what I just said - far as I understand it right now - BitCoin is a completely useless idea, unless we ditch it and start using one of the truly private and anonymous coins, which isn't gonna happen and is irrelevant to this discussion anyway.

So, am I missing something? Am I misunderstanding something? What's up with BitCoins when it comes to buying stuff? The more research I do about it, the less sense it makes to use it.

I'm not posting this to get on someone's nerves, I'm posting it because I want to understand. So don't get all personal and defensive and value-oriented here, I'm looking for facts. Thanks.

I'm talking only about paying using BitCoins. E.g. buying a monitor or a book or headphones using BitCoins instead of a credit/debit card. It's not about being a merchant or selling/buying illegal stuff on .onion sites, nor is it about using altcoins.

Note by which I seek to quench one potential argument: if you buy something and want to get it at some point in your life - you have to enter your name and address.
I think I may have an answer for you..... Cryptocurrency is the future.  Dollars and coins are slowly going to be replaced.  Its going to happen because the world's economies are basically entertwined with technology.  It's the new "cool", even if it is stupid.  It's just going to happen.  Now, with that said, right now the technology infrastructure is just being built out.  Right now, even in the Fiat "Dollar" world, you have a migration from electronic debit/credit cards to chips / sensors / biometrics / smartphone pay etc.  Even if cryptocurrency were to all die tomorrow - you'd still have this migration heading towards all digital payments.  But I will admit that RIGHT NOW the technology infrastructure isn't here yet.  So you are partially correct that it is a bit more difficult to use bitcoin now, than simply putting it in your bank and using the debit card. 

But the degree of difficulty is shrinking, and already there are some advantages to being "first in line"......

1) With Coinbase for example, I have a "Bank Account".  I can hold my dollars in my account, or I can hold bitcoins.  I can have dollars AND bitcoins mixed in the same account.   At normal times when bitcoin is on an upwards growth trend, I keep it all in bitcoins, and my money appreciates (like a super interest bearing checking account - only a LOT better than any fiat bank pays).  If I see a down spell - I instant exchange it into dollars with the click of a mouse.   So my online Coinbase Account acts as 1) My checking account that has a direct linked debit card 2) My savings account that pays pretty darn good interest 3) an Investment portfolio that I can actively manage if I want.

2) Now that I can spend my bitcoins, I can feel safe enough to also directly accept bitcoin payments.   As a business man, this expands my potential customer base, increases my offerings to my customers.  All good things in the business world.

3) I'm ahead on the learning curve than the average Joe.  When the "Switchover" comes, I will be ready to take advantage of a lot of business migrations / confusion.  By capitolizing on that I will increase marketshare in my business.

4) If You Believe (and I do) that the current global fiat system is destined to crash and fail at some point int he next year or two - then you have your money in a place that will still have value, and actually may explode in value, once they start having bank holidays, and people start fleeing to safe haven currencies like gold, silver, and now bitcoin.

So for me, after a brief learning curve, that I feel I'd have to go through sooner or later anyway, I'm actually currently holding and spending bitcoins pretty much with ease.  I expect as I get my system and kinks out, and as the bitcoin/cryptocurrency infrastructure system improves, int he end it will be just as easy as spending dollars ever was - maybe easier.
legendary
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December 21, 2015, 06:05:00 PM
#31
I don't get it, now that I investigated and read much more about BitCoins and altcoins.

BitCoins are not secure, not private, not anonymous and to use them - you need extra effort.

Payments made through debit/credit cards are instant and most people keep their money in the bank (in fact, most workplaces choose to pay money only to your bank account now). That said, to use Bitcoin you'd have to buy BitCoins, which creates extra effort. Why do that? I don't get it!

Basically you have a choice: a) just pay instantly using your debit/credit card, or b) pay using BitCoins after wasting some of your time.

I always thought BitCoin was about privacy and anonymity, but clearly it isn't (just read the news...), so that argument goes straight outta window. Other than that, I see zero advantages, and considering what I just said - far as I understand it right now - BitCoin is a completely useless idea, unless we ditch it and start using one of the truly private and anonymous coins, which isn't gonna happen and is irrelevant to this discussion anyway.

So, am I missing something? Am I misunderstanding something? What's up with BitCoins when it comes to buying stuff? The more research I do about it, the less sense it makes to use it.

I'm not posting this to get on someone's nerves, I'm posting it because I want to understand. So don't get all personal and defensive and value-oriented here, I'm looking for facts. Thanks.

I'm talking only about paying using BitCoins. E.g. buying a monitor or a book or headphones using BitCoins instead of a credit/debit card. It's not about being a merchant or selling/buying illegal stuff on .onion sites, nor is it about using altcoins.

Note by which I seek to quench one potential argument: if you buy something and want to get it at some point in your life - you have to enter your name and address.

The simple answer is: No you don't. You just need to buy and hold bitcoin, wait for its price to rise 10-100 times and sell a little bit for fiat money, then you can happily spend your fiat money with whatever debit/credit card
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December 21, 2015, 05:07:57 PM
#30
It doesn't have any natural advantage in day to day use and its certainly easier to use card or cash in those situations. Where Bitcoin shines is the ability to transfer across borders almost instantly, and able to store it securely. No other option will have you store your own money, you will be relying on 3rd party unless you stuff gold bars in your mattress.
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December 21, 2015, 05:06:35 PM
#29
-When i'm ordering from fasttech, for example, i get more bonus when paying with bitcoins, and payment is instant, so i don't understand your
 point of "wasting time, or having to wait". Same thing applies to many other merchants and services.
-Merchants love bitcoin because they have no fee's attached to it or they are minimal.
-I use bitcoin to store my funds, where noone can touch it (See examples of what happened to Greece, and before that Cyprus). Your fiat money on the bank account can be frozen in a second tho..
-Bitcoin by it's structure is created to likely move upwards in price with time, so i invest, and use it as a store of value
-Bitcoin has a limited supply of 21 million, while fiat has infinite supply, meaning that fiat MUST devaluate proportionally with time, compared to non infinite resources/items/valuables.

What more does someone need to understand that bitcoin is the future?
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December 21, 2015, 04:42:25 PM
#28


2. bitcoin is anonymous.. right up until the very second you tell people your name in the same conversation/medium as a bitcoin address..
its like bank notes.. anonymous until you make a forum post telling everyone which bank note serial numbers you own. they can then log this and keep an eye out on you


I think bitcoin.org does not agree on that.

Quote
Is Bitcoin anonymous?

Bitcoin is designed to allow its users to send and receive payments with an acceptable level of privacy as well as any other form of money. However, Bitcoin is not anonymous and cannot offer the same level of privacy as cash.  [...]

https://bitcoin.org/en/faq#is-bitcoin-anonymous

Or some other sources: http://www.bitcoinisnotanonymous.com/

legendary
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December 21, 2015, 04:59:37 AM
#27
for me I do like using it and I do think its very useful but not only
thats its a big time speculative play. A few of my friends have
never even sent a bitcoin they just bought a few to invest. So
you dont have to believe its the greatest thing to believe it can
double faster than most investments.
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December 21, 2015, 04:48:14 AM
#26
I see having bitcoins as a savings account as well as an investment. I want to stick with bitcoin on a long term, so that's why this is the best option for me.
As well as not having to depend on a bank or anything. I can move my bitcoins whenever I want without having a lot of time between transactions.
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December 21, 2015, 04:34:32 AM
#25
BitCoin? i only know Bitcoin.
legendary
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December 21, 2015, 03:56:09 AM
#24
because you can avoid taxes for small things Cheesy, and because there are discount for you on purse for example

so double saving for your wallet, more than enough to use bitcoin, not to mention the known things, like low fee, faster sending(does not confuse it with faster transaction...), i mean you don't need to put crap details like ccv and akin...
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December 21, 2015, 03:28:55 AM
#23
I use bitcoin because I am in control of what happens to it, I am responsible for keeping my bitcoins save.

I don't have to rely on a bank to do this for me. By just holding bitcoin, I could make more profits in the long run rather than having my money on a savings account.

To me I use bitcoin as a savings account by investing in it. When I need fiat, I can exchange at any point.
legendary
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December 21, 2015, 03:22:42 AM
#22
Simple, you shouldn't.

If you don't value the things which Bitcoin can provide (censorship-proof value transfer / store of value which can't be accessed without permission of the private key controller), don't use it.

Now, someone who wants to send or store value without the help of a middleman or the permission of an authority, they turn to Bitcoin.

Simple comment but actually real. That is reality having bitcoin is like having something that you want secret. You want it to be yours only not being controlled by anyone. And that is what bitcoin can provide to you. An anonymous human but with money.
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