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Rightwing socialists/collectivists/frontists/statists.

Nov. 23, 2015
The youngest politician in France's far-right Le Pen family is storming ahead in the polls

Marine Le Pen, the leader of France's hard-right Front National, is currently leading the most polls for the first round of the 2017 French presidential election.

But the 25-year old Marion Marechal-Le Pen, granddaughter of the infamous FN founder Jean-Marie Le Pen and niece of current party leader Marine Le Pen, will be tested at the ballot long before then.

Yes, like you.

“The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.” Arthur Schopenhauer

Yes, like you.

“The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.” Arthur Schopenhauer

Le Pen is more of an authentic patriot

I don't know the Le Pen situation well, but from what I have seen, Trump is just plain reckless compared to Le Pen.

Also, bear in mind Trump is fairly well connected to NWO mafia types, probably better connected than the list of those he's known to associate with. Again, don't know anything about Le Pen in that respect.

Cannot compare le Pen to Trump, seriously.
But I taste their sense of humour, and the way they both highly agitate the NWO mafia ^^

You're right, I meant a worse state of fascism, we live in corporate serfdom already. But you must see what I mean, nationalism can be turned into fascism really easily, and Trump has already started to sound like an authoritarian: "We need to talk to Bill Gates, shut down parts of the internet. Certain people will say 'but the first amendment!', but these people are dangerous"

Is Trump really going to be responsible in control of the state with ICANN and IETF on it's soil? No thanks, Trump. (or any of these other fake candidates for that matter)

Please, we already live in fascism.

Zara, you're right to point this comparison out (although I suspect that where I say "could", you'll say "will").

What will French or US voters feel like if they voted for Trump or Le Pen, expecting freedom, but ended up with fascism? The risk is not at all insignificant that something like that could happen, especially when it comes to Trump.

Donald Le Pen:

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/could-donald-trump-be-americas-marine-le-pen

I actually agree with you on this. My current support for the FN is strategic against the most dangerous fools of the moment. It's a shame that individualists have done nothing to counter the clear Jihadist threat. On the contrary, I've heard far too many people who claim to be individualists make excuses for Jihadists, or claim that Muslims were not responsible for attacks (like those of September 11) at all. Worst of all is that some people who claim to be individualists assert that Islam is compatible with individual liberty, when even those with minimal knowledge of Islam know that Islam means submission. To believe that individual liberty is compatible to total submission requires an amazing ability to believe bullshit.

One of the first things required for individualists to push back against the Jihadist threat is to be able to speak openly and honestly about Islam, its foundation and its beliefs. Such speech has been criminalized in much of the world. Even if it's not criminal, everyone knows there is an effective death penalty which will be carried out by Jihadists. The Front National says some of the inconvenient truths about Islam, while the "mainstream" parties parrot comforting lies.

Of course, the pseudonymity and censorship-resistance of cryptocurrencies could provide a way to engage in such speech without risking one's head (either figuratively in the case of legal consequences or very very literally in the obvious sense). Why isn't anyone using them for this purpose? Why instead do so many in this space make excuses for Jihadists and demonize those who speak out against Jihadists?

My answer is simply that the world has gone mad. Most of the people who claim to be "individualists" are simply a different kind of collectivist. They want to signal that they believe the "right things" -- the beliefs of their tribe -- "Islam is peace." "Terrorism is always blowback or false flags." "Jihad means internal struggle." "2+2=5." "Freedom is slavery." "Liberty is submission."

All collectivists are fools.

Well, so there's your answer. He would respond vigorously to the attack by throwing anti-war quotes at them.

The worst outcrop of herd life [is] the military system, which I abhor.  That a man can take pleasure in marching in fours to the strains of a band is enough to make me despise him.  He has only been given his big brain by mistake; unprotected spinal marrow was all he needed.  This plague-spot of civilization ought to be abolished with all possible speed.  Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them!  How vile and despicable war seems to me!  I would rather be hacked in pieces than take part in such an abominable business. Einstein