Topic: Why God exists in all people mind? - page 32. (Read 37727 times)

Oh dear, I post something that absolutely and meticulously refutes your flawed logic, and you turn to what seems like psychological projection...

No my friend, it may be hard to accept but it is you, a person that was probably indoctrinated into a Christian belief system when you were young, who has trouble with critical thinking and developing an open mind to changing your beliefs.

Story time: I used to believe in a lot of weird things, for example when I was younger I read some books written by individuals who were high ranking USA military officials, and they convinced me that aliens had visited Earth and were in cahoots with the American government. After a few years, and some critical thinking, I realized that I had been a victim of the "Appeal to Authority" fallacy, and that there really wasn't much evidence to support this hypothesis.

So I changed my opinion. I decided that to "believe" something was really just a silly concept, everything has an element of probability and we can only make rational opinions on things that have a certain amount of evidence. These "alien stories" that I read simply didn't have enough concrete evidence for me to consider them plausible. That may change in the future, perhaps if some solid evidence comes to light i might change my mind again. Until then, it is illogical for me to believe that aliens have visited Earth, as it is illogical to believe in angels or god.

Solid scientific theories or laws, such as evolution or the laws of gravity, do have huge amounts of concrete evidence behind them. And they all point to life evolving from single-celled organisms into the human beings we see today, and an Earth that is 4.5 billion years old.

How these single-celled organisms came into being is still a bit of a mystery in scientific terms, but that's something great about science - if there is not enough evidence for a hypothesis it's fine to say "We don't really know exactly how that happened yet, but we're trying to find out."

It's incredibly illogical and naive to assume that anything we don't fully understand must have been made by some god, when no solid evidence of that god exists. Don't post your series of links again please, because as I said earlier they are not only misleading, but invalid as they are based on the laws of physics we experience here on Earth.

There are countless examples of people saying "god did it" throughout the whole of human history: The sun, stars, diversity of life, seasons, rain, lightning, tornadoes, rocks and precious stones, the list goes on.

The vast majority of these "anomalies" have been so thoroughly explained by the scientific method, that their origin and behaviour is rightly assumed to be fact. And that will be the case until opposing evidence is put forward that disproves these theories. Until that day, we should look to the scientific evidence as the most logical way to interpret the world around us.

Of course, nothing can ever be proven 100% (other than logical and mathematical concepts). But when something has been proven 99.999% then it's logical to assume it's a fact, until solid evidence opposing it is shown.

Otherwise we start going down rabbit-holes where anyone can make absolutely anything up, write it down, and claim it as irrefutable fact cough..bible.cocough...

 

It is not science fiction.  Go to the museums, examine the artefacts.

http://www.tripbase.com/blog/10-evolution-exhibits-that-will-blow-your-mind/

http://humanorigins.si.edu/

When I state that the links or the information in them are proof, I am only stating such in a shortcut way. The info in the links is to show you that proof exists. Then you can find the info all over the place, and prove it to yourself.

If you don't go outside and look at the blue sky, nobody will be able to prove that it is blue to you no matter how hard they try.



Often science fiction writers write alone. Sometimes they have 2 or 3 of them writing together. The details can be very good. But when you get thousands of writers writing science fiction such as evolution, the details can be simply fabulous. Doesn't make it true. Only shows the great imaginations of the sci-fi writers... and in the case of that sci-fi biology friend, the students.



EDIT: After all, the evolution sci-fi writers tell you that evolution is sci-fi. How? Evolution is still theory. They have been truthful in that way, by not bringing it into the realm of fact, because it isn't fact.

When you research all the reasons why evolution can't be fact, you see that evolution is only fiction.

inb4 BADecker posting his 4 links to his own posts as an evidence of gods existance.

I remember the last time one of my friends said the doesn't BELIEVE in evolution but he believes in god, and then since one friend there was a biology student, he went on to explain him the whole process of evolution from unicellular organisms, over Fern, to the todays organisms.

without god people cant leave.Know y??because the thing god exists gives people hope for everything.when you are watching a sports and you want your favourite team to win then you cant play but pray.by praying win is not ensured but you get hope.
similarly the word god gives hope in hard to hard circumstances.that is a hope to live a life in hard to hard circumstances.
the word god just gives hope.

Small correction. The evolution theory is a scientific fact.  Look it up.  The PHYSICAL EVIDENCE is overwhelming. Unlike your God.

Since evolution has been proven to not exist, probably all the things you say are false. Some of them might look like they are true. But coming from a false understanding like yours, makes them all false.

The answer is, since God created all things, He also created the natural goodness that you might have, in you.

Consider the bad guy... the real bad guy... a guy who goes around killing and stealing and raping and doing every other bad thing. As long as he is alive, he will do good now and then. He has a few people who are friends. He might even do the good of giving his life up for his friends when necessary.

Good is something God put in us all when He made nature.

No wonder you jokers believe in science or atheism. Like brute beasts, you do and live the things you learned earlier in life, and can't even think on your own.

Nobody has an explanation of how life and the universe came into being. Science isn't even close. They tell you this themselves by calling their "stuff" theories, things that haven't been proven true, make-believe things, like unicorns and dragons and science-fiction stories.

People can go along in life ignoring ideas like where this all came from. Or they can believe the science fiction stories of science theory. Either way, the best answer is that God made these things. Why? Because we can't make them, and we don't know of any other place they could have come from.

I feel sad about people who enjoy in drugs, alcohol, smoking, gambling etc,. and believe that such imaginary things will makes them happy
People who believe in God are often inspired to help others, people in need, in their communities.
People with addiction are not inspired to help others but only themselves.
If so, why anybody have problem if someone believe in God and such faith makes him better person?
Why you don't have problem with other people, people with addiction?

   God is imaginary thing, created to confuse people. I'm sad when I see believers, so much pain in the world cause of faith and God's and you are still pushing the same fucking thing.
   I feel sorry for this people who live in illusion, thats why there is more people who live in poverty and pain. When you people will rise above imaginary God, and start to love people who are close to you.
   

Ouch!

With a burn like that, BADecker...... i suggest this cream.

CAN YOU BE GOOD WITHOUT GOD?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWJNmhKiOhI

No no no, you cannot claim that evidence, (they're not proofs really, as I said earlier the only true proofs are things like mathematical proofs, so from now on I will call them evidence), based on the laws of physics, can tell us anything about a being that doesn't follow the laws of physics. How can you not understand this?

All the science we know was written by man, under the influence of the standard laws of physics. Therefore any scientific theories, laws or even proofs that they observed,  can only be valid on an entity that is under the influence of those same laws.

If god isn't under the influence of these laws of physics, or has "different physics" to the universe, then none of that science can prove or disprove him, because the science was formulated under different conditions.


Aaand the rest of your post was incoherent babbling... I think what you're trying to say is "physics is so great, it had to have been made by god". Not a valid argument I'm afraid, you're making claims with zero evidence. Also even if you do believe that "god made physics", it could have been any god, nothing to suggest it was your Christian god.

I have absolutely no problem with you having faith in god, you're free to believe what you want and that's fine.

But there is, and probably never will be, any scientific proof of his (or her, or it's) existence. If you believe in god you need to rely on your faith in him, not in some pseudoscientific "proofs" of his existence.

And your claims of this proof is not only tedious, it strikes me that maybe you do not have as much faith as you think you do.

Maybe that's something you could bring up with your vicar/bishop/pastor/cult leader.

 

That's exactly the point. The thing that the proof does is prove that God exists. Why? Because the laws of physics don't explain where they come from. The proofs do... Something that is outside of physics. Physics shows that it exists by something that is so extremely powerful, and intelligent, and full of knowledge, and full of understanding, etc., that we can't even imagine what It is like. Even our term "God," in all of the best of the glorious descriptions wherein many people have described Him, falls way short of the glorious thing that He is.

All of this is proclaimed by physics showing us the greatness of itself (physics), without any explanation at all of where it comes from.

To put it simply, stuff like physics simply doesn't come into existence through itself, or through any means we have been able to find. God is outside of physics, but He is the only way physics can have come into existence.

Someone might say that the thing I am talking about is not God. What else can it be? It has to be God, because It is intelligent like people, It has strength like people, It is emotional like people (where else did emotion come from?). It is somewhat people like, yet It is way greater. That's what God is.

Whoops!! 

Not to mention this gem...


So BADecker, pray tell, how can any of your "proofs" (which are, by definition, based on the physics of the universe) tell us anything about a god which doesn't abide by those laws of physics?

Your "proofs" are ridiculous, both scientifically and philosophically.

 

The dumb part is the responses to the supposed dumb things that Christians say. It seems that when people are opposed to Christianity, they come up with all kinds of non-logical responses to the things of Christianity. This is what has happened at Fluffer's referenced site, above.

I just punched BADlogics "proof" stuff into Google and this appeared at #1.
http://www.liberalamerica.org/2014/04/10/the-21-dumbest-things-christians-have-ever-said/

 

Is it a fact that people breathe air? Is it a fact that they drink water? When I claim that they do, do I have to show you a bunch of links before you will know it? You can look all over the Internet yourself to find places that explain all about breathing air or drinking water.

While the info in my links might not be quite as readily expressed all over the Internet, it is still shown all over the place. All you have to do is put it together. If you can't do that little thing, I guess there isn't any reason for you to look for it.