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Topic: Why has no fiat casino adopted provably fair gambling? (Read 1649 times)

legendary
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Well I think its a myth that they "Pump oxygen in the gambling floor" to get gamblers to keep gambling.

I do however think that when they offer you free drinks, its probably so it can lossen you up and you will keep making larger and larger bets until you go bust.

Same reason when they offer you a steak dinner or free hotel room. To get you to gamble much.

Its all a game to them.
legendary
Activity: 1834
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i'm still waiting for a vegas casino  to put in 100 just-dice video machines to replace all the old nickel slots.


i would just get free drinks all day and play 10 sats a bet till real drunk.



let's make this happen dooglus.

Haha I can't wait until this happens. Honestly It would probably save the casinos a lot of trouble moving over to that kind of system. Just imagine the first Physical cashless casino? Security could be an issue but hey, they'll know how to handle it Smiley.

But they already got some cashless slot games right? Some of them only need to swipe their card to play. But I do not know if that is their really credit card or just another card to play with it. Btw why they should open this kind machines? I believe this will cost so much and people only play with 10 satoshi? This is no way to happens
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 6194
Meh.
i'm still waiting for a vegas casino  to put in 100 just-dice video machines to replace all the old nickel slots.


i would just get free drinks all day and play 10 sats a bet till real drunk.



let's make this happen dooglus.

Haha I can't wait until this happens. Honestly It would probably save the casinos a lot of trouble moving over to that kind of system. Just imagine the first Physical cashless casino? Security could be an issue but hey, they'll know how to handle it Smiley.
sr. member
Activity: 700
Merit: 350
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Which do you guys think is safer ? Fiat or crypto ? I have no idea but I guess I lean towards crypto being safer because if the blockchain. How exactly do fiat casinos prove they legit and fair ? Crypto uses blockchain then what does fiat use ? Anyone know ?

Basically there are variables. Yes for crypto you got provably fair and hashed seeds. However keep in mind there is no guarantee that the money you will you will be able to withdraw later.

With fiat physical casinos there are regulations in play. At least in most first world nations.


I think those are definitely key points here. You normally already trust a casino, specially a land casino, but also big online brands as well, because you know they are heavy regulated, and your money should be safe there. On crypto casinos, users are normally so afraid that they could be scammed, that they need to at least demand provably fair games.
legendary
Activity: 3808
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Which do you guys think is safer ? Fiat or crypto ? I have no idea but I guess I lean towards crypto being safer because if the blockchain. How exactly do fiat casinos prove they legit and fair ? Crypto uses blockchain then what does fiat use ? Anyone know ?

This is not an easy question to answer.

Basically there are variables. Yes for crypto you got provably fair and hashed seeds. However keep in mind there is no guarantee that the money you will you will be able to withdraw later.

With fiat physical casinos there are regulations in play. At least in most first world nations.

Most casinos have an information guide (one that nobody ever looks at) and it describes how every game is fair. There is usually a brochure for slot games and explains how the bets are generated and the house edge and everything.

Slots actually has a very very high house edge, nobody knows about it because nobody reads that brochure.
hero member
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Which do you guys think is safer ? Fiat or crypto ? I have no idea but I guess I lean towards crypto being safer because if the blockchain. How exactly do fiat casinos prove they legit and fair ? Crypto uses blockchain then what does fiat use ? Anyone know ?
legendary
Activity: 3808
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Even with real physical casinos, how do you know that they don't cheat you somehow.

Most likely in the USA there is regulation. However if you go to some other country, and play roulette how do you know that there isn't  some magnet that determines the winning number or some magnets in dice.

sr. member
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In fact,most casinos do falsely claim that they adopt provably fair gambling for which every player is not able to verify whether they are provably fair or not.
I doubt such gambling brands also have no legal licence for their service.
You see in gambling it is more chance that you will tend to lose than on winning, so basically the casino is cheating on you right from the start that you've played. So the players tend to cheat or in other terms it is what we called 'cooperation', they will play the game as if that they don't even know each other but what they're doing is that they're letting one person to win by signalling the other members, they had this planned so the chances of winning is very high. So if you can see its obvious that every casino has so many cameras and securities. Even if they knew that their profit is at the top.
legendary
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Merit: 1183
Provably fair sites like Yolodice use cryptocurrency and as such run on the blockchain. The blockchain is used to determine fairness and randomness.

That's not true. Pnline fiat casinos could be just as provably fair as the Bitcoin ones. The fact that they aren't can only mean that there's no demand for it from the people who play at the fiat casinos, because it would be easy to offer.

I guess in general Bitcoin gamblers tend to be more technically savvy than the average fiat gambler, and isn't put off by the concept of hashes. You might find that more fiat gamblers would be scared off if you started shoving "formulas" in their face while they were trying to play.

I think that as crypto gains more and more terrain in the gambling industry, the regular fiat casinos are going to be pretty much forced to step up their game and offer the same as what crypto casinos are offering. If people can get paid in bitcoin and then gamble in provably fair gambling they are going to do it because it's very convenient to do so. I like to gamble and play crypto games with my sig campaign earnings because I get paid with it and I don't need to do the cumbersome step of fiat to crypto conversion.

What is stopping global adoption is

1) Lack of lightning network
2) Easy to find jobs that pay in BTC

This will lead to more use of the currency including gambling.
hero member
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Stop this topic.  They do provide fair testing for the casinos.  The only difference is the end user(or gambler) cannot see it.

https://www.gamingstandards.com/

Basically these people go around test cards/dice/tables/camera/  pretty much anything you can even think of so that we don't get robbed. 
legendary
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The most Professional Cryptocurrency Casino
Whether you seen fiat gambling sites have a game like dice,plinko,etc ? most of fiat gambling site only provide casino games, that's why they not need probably fair. what they need is only license and this same too for casino that accept bitcoin.
sr. member
Activity: 658
Merit: 282
Provably fair gambling is one of the biggest things to happen to online gaming ever I'd say. It's the only way to give players true peace of mind & create an experience where people can't feel harshly done by. The reason a lot of big punters don't use online casinos is because they are obviously skeptical as to whether they're legitimate & aren't rigging the results. Provably fair gaming changes this.

Cryptogambling.org is actually going go attempt to get this change moving, so check it out!

Finally, someone who shares my sentiment regarding the significance of provably fair gaming!
Thank you for the link, I was not aware of this website before.

As I already stated in one of my earlier posts, I heavily believe that once one major brand adopts provably fair gaming,
the other brands will be forced to adopt the technology as well.
legendary
Activity: 938
Merit: 1001
In fact,most casinos do falsely claim that they adopt provably fair gambling for which every player is not able to verify whether they are provably fair or not.
I doubt such gambling brands also have no legal licence for their service.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1023
I think it is because from the first time the fiat casino was introduce there were no such things as provably fair and it keep on continue like this, instead of provably fair they were making live gambling, and because most of people not complaining, so no system update were made

In a real casino, no need to please anyone to gamble because they know most of the addicted gamblers will go and gamble and they will be playing on real machines so they are not much worried about fairness. But in online casinos, they need to give a confidence to people that they are not cheating so this fairness concept came in to give a users confidence that site is not doing any cheating.
full member
Activity: 182
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Edward Miroslav
Provably fair gambling is one of the biggest things to happen to online gaming ever I'd say. It's the only way to give players true peace of mind & create an experience where people can't feel harshly done by. The reason a lot of big punters don't use online casinos is because they are obviously skeptical as to whether they're legitimate & aren't rigging the results. Provably fair gaming changes this.

Cryptogambling.org is actually going go attempt to get this change moving, so check it out!
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
They do (not the means bitcoin casinos do).  But I promise you if you go to any casino and they are sketchy, you can verify that they are willing to pay out for a big win or anything along those lines.  This probably only applies in the US(at least all I can verify) but casinos must be kept up to date with whatever rules apply to them at that time
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 501
I think it is because from the first time the fiat casino was introduce there were no such things as provably fair and it keep on continue like this, instead of provably fair they were making live gambling, and because most of people not complaining, so no system update were made
hero member
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Merit: 502
I miss dooglus
i'm still waiting for a vegas casino  to put in 100 just-dice video machines to replace all the old nickel slots.


i would just get free drinks all day and play 10 sats a bet till real drunk.



let's make this happen dooglus.
hero member
Activity: 2884
Merit: 794
I am terrible at Fantasy Football!!!
Several years ago the first Bitcoin dice sites hit the market. The most amazing feature
of these sites (does anyone know, which was the first one?) was the ability
to cryptographically verify the fairness of your bets.

I was wondering why no traditional fiat casino operator has copied this brilliant idea?
With the programming resources and the budgets that are available to the big casino brands this can´t be that
hard to execute. After all several of the Bitcoin dice sites have been programmed by 1-2 man
operations.

Is the reason that games of this type are not included in their gaming licenses?
Are the fiat casino operators just unaware of this breakthrough in online gambling?
What other possible explanations are conceivable?



Because only the outline World cares about that. You have to understand that you guys are living in a small world comprised very small components. Only people inside this world care about these things. I'm side there or is it a tire separate system that keeps track of everything else.
True while bitcoin adoption is growing we have the idea that the growth is bigger than I is because we are in this forum and not only we know about bitcoin but about many altcoins, but outside of this forum I have yet to meet a person that brings the topic of bitcoin to me, since I'm the one that always brings the topic and not a single person knows about bitcoin.
Hmm. How did this discuss end up with bitcoin discussion? Isn't this topic supposed to be discussing about why fiat casinos have not implemented provably fair? We're not discussing why fiat casinos are yet adopting bitcoins into their system. That could be another interesting topic, but you guys are straying away from the discussion.
While you are correct that the discussion at hand is about why fiat casinos have not adopted probably fair gambling, a conversation can move in any direction, just look at us, now we are talking about the fact that we are not talking about the topic, that is just the way a natural and organic conversation moves forward.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 505
Several years ago the first Bitcoin dice sites hit the market. The most amazing feature
of these sites (does anyone know, which was the first one?) was the ability
to cryptographically verify the fairness of your bets.

I was wondering why no traditional fiat casino operator has copied this brilliant idea?
With the programming resources and the budgets that are available to the big casino brands this can´t be that
hard to execute. After all several of the Bitcoin dice sites have been programmed by 1-2 man
operations.

Is the reason that games of this type are not included in their gaming licenses?
Are the fiat casino operators just unaware of this breakthrough in online gambling?
What other possible explanations are conceivable?



Because only the outline World cares about that. You have to understand that you guys are living in a small world comprised very small components. Only people inside this world care about these things. I'm side there or is it a tire separate system that keeps track of everything else.
True while bitcoin adoption is growing we have the idea that the growth is bigger than I is because we are in this forum and not only we know about bitcoin but about many altcoins, but outside of this forum I have yet to meet a person that brings the topic of bitcoin to me, since I'm the one that always brings the topic and not a single person knows about bitcoin.
Hmm. How did this discuss end up with bitcoin discussion? Isn't this topic supposed to be discussing about why fiat casinos have not implemented provably fair? We're not discussing why fiat casinos are yet adopting bitcoins into their system. That could be another interesting topic, but you guys are straying away from the discussion.
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