Topic: Why I have respect for terrytibbs (Read 4040 times)

I do not know terrytibbs IRL either, but I've spoken to him many times over at the #bitcoins.lc-irc channel (and #bitlc iirc).
If i recall correctly - i've even traded bitcoins for cash multiple times with him.

What happened (at least what i've read) was unfortunate, but i DO NOT think it was his intentions.
I vote for removing of the scammer-tag, cause i would trade with him any day, any time.

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Regards, Jim
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GOOD!  there is light at the end of the tunnel lol ... seriously, I think you've "served your time"  you've been here longer then me  contributing more then me probably and yet you get labeled a scammer? Makes no sense ...NO sense!

I'm on my way home, darling!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/im-refunding-the-victims-of-my-terrible-scam-65946

terrytibbs should have his "scammer label removed"   at least put it up for a vote!

Here's why...

As far as I am aware, I am the only person actually processing scam reports right now. Labeling someone as a scammer requires gathering and summarizing a great deal of information in order to build a case. It's not fun... and all it does is put a label on them. It can easily take a hour or more of work over several days per scammer to get them tagged. As such, I prioritize the work in a few main ways:
1) Scammer rings. I process these IMMEDIATELY. You've seen the damage they do.
2) Misunderstandings. These are the most likely to result in an acceptable resolution for both sides. I might actually accomplish something.
3) Active scam account. These guys still use their account, and I can't tell if they're PMing people to get one last scam in. They need to be labeled to warn those people.

If someone isn't active anymore, I could care less about them. If you care enough, gather the evidence and process it yourself.

As per Forum Policy....

Why hasn't Rexcoin received the SCAMMER Tag yet ?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/to-the-people-i-owe-part-2-61782

He has defaulted on more than 1 loan, yet nothing has been done.

He SHOULD HAVE been labelled a scammer while he was still an active forum member....now I doubt he will ever return.

No, I wouldn't, because I would have hedged my funds with the possibility that the program would collapse. I would find a way to pay people back.

However, let's say I wasn't prepared for such an eventuality. I would absolutely label myself as a scammer. The only way I wouldn't do that is if I properly disclosed to people in our agreements that I wasn't obligated to pay them back if the business collapsed. However, much like when you really do incorporate, good luck finding people to trust the company without a co-signer to take the final responsibility. No bank in the world gives loans to non-mega-corporations without a personal co-signer for this very reason.

Fair enough, I have nothing against you, and I don't really mind the tag. I was just explaining why I have no intentions of repaying this out of my own pocket.

Regarding your hypothesis: What if you incorporated before giving the funds to pirate? Would you, as moderator Maged, still label yourself a scammer?

Thanks for clarifying Maged, I was -extremely- new at the time and didn't even know admins were alive.

I still think it was less than half my fault though, only given the ridiculous, unprofessional, libelous, and contract breaking manner in which he acted.

It's good to see that you guys don't give it out so easily anymore, but so long as it's done in secret and only the mods know about it, I'll never appreciate/trust it as much as I could.

There are a few points I'd like to make here, Matthew:

1) Theymos didn't mark you as a scammer out of his own accord. The request originally came from me after I reviewed the available information, then theymos did the same and came to the same conclusion.
2) You were extremely new at the time. You had no "credit" to speak of. If you had, I might have covered the costs of that image myself.
3) You had no intention of working with the guy to resolve the dispute. Had you asked him to make a new image because he broke the requirements for the first image, that would have been acceptable. However, instead of working with him, you said:

The reason we removed the tag was not because you paid the guy, but because you finally made a show of good faith. The fact that it resolved the issue was a side benefit.

Also, your case caused us to change our policy a bit regarding scammers. We no longer mark someone as a scammer that quickly unless the evidence is overwhelming.

As for the terrytibbs case, let me ask you this, is Bruce Wagner a scammer? He was trying to help people save their homes with the best of intentions, but he got bogged down in paperwork. That didn't change how a court ended up ruling on him, however.

Also, there's no way for us to ever know for sure that someone "defaulted" and got burned and weren't just scamming the whole time. Let's pretend that I take out a loan of 250 BTC so that I could invest it in Pirate's program. By Pirate's rules, I'm not allowed to tell the people who lend to me that fact. Now, let's pretend that said program turned out to be a ponzi scheme this whole time (note: I'm not actually claiming that; I'm just giving it as an example of a real possibility of what could happen). Because of this, I just tell my lenders that I can't pay them back.

Do I deserve the scammer tag? Does it change anything if I tell you that I have never put a single bitcoin in that program, and thus it really couldn't have been the reason why I couldn't pay you back?

That is why, under both cases, we consider the person to be a scammer if they don't end up fulfilling their obligations regardless of their own business deals.

Point taken.

It also goes without saying that if someone has difficulty getting bitcoins out of an exchange that the individual who sold the service should communicate through e-mail until there can be no resolution, and not go on a smear campaign to get attention and claim people 'scammed them' without any evidence.

It means that we had a friendly and casual understanding. Did you think that a contract was a bad thing? Don't you realize that a friendly agreement to the tune of "I will provide a finished image for you for 2BTC to your liking" could be abused to continuously tell that person that you don't like their designs and have them remake it for all eternity? The one thing both myself and that individual took out of the deal was that we both need to make terms much more clear before doing business and that there is no 'friendly business' on this forum.

Actually, grocery stores are regulated in many ways, including internally with a customer return policy, so you don't really need an additional contract in most cases. You're also attempting to compare graphics design with buying something at a store. Herp derp?

It was a few days late, but the reasoning was that I was due some BTC but it never arrived and I couldn't get my Korean money turned into Bitcoins fast enough to the individual's likings, so instead of even responding to my emails, he jumped the gun and assumed I had scammed him. He was wrong for that. Very wrong, and very unprofessional. The only reason Theymos actually gave me the scammer tag was because I publicly stated "I'm not going to pay you now because you've publicly called me a scammer in 3 different threads without even waiting 24 hours since my last email or replying to it, you posted links to download the source files of the graphic I had commissioned you to make and instructed the entire community to "abuse it freely", and then tried to get theymos to give me a scammer label.". Theymos apparently only read "I'm not going to pay" and didn't see anything else going on, like how the OP voided any verbal agreements we had in the first place and therefor there was nothing to pay for.




That makes some sense, I agree with that, at least on the consumer front-- I don't agree with that much on the life of Bitcoin though. Bitcoin doesn't need numbers, it needs power players, and power players aren't usually superficial, at least not in the nerd world.

 I need to respectfully disagree with you.

 This community is a barometer and has potential to adjust the vector of Bitcoin.

It goes without saying to expect payment for goods or provided services upon delivery, unless agreed otherwise beforehand. Is this concept foreign to you? You say that you had no contract, what's that supposed to mean? Did you expect the guy to fly over to Matthew's HQ, with his team of custom made Armani wearnig lawyers, to sign in blood 10 page contract for delivery of 2BTC worth of designing work? Do you sign a contract with grocery store owner whenever you're out to get some cheese? These dumb knobs expects to be paid immediately, how silly!

A "little late" is vague, is it a day, two, a week, by your standards?


Bitcoin is a community project, run by people like you and me. Many people involved in Bitcoin frequent this forum, so one can judge what kind of people the community is made of, and seeing scams and wiseguys trying to pull their tricks left and right, might be off putting to some people, damaging perception of Bitcoin project and retarding adoption in this early stage. So while my statement about losing faith was a hyperbole, is not that far from the truth.

I hope you're being sarcastic. Theymos doesn't dictate whether I am a scammer or not. All he can do is use his personal judgment and slap a label on people. I am not a scammer nor am I an ex-scammer. I am an ex-theymos-abused person who paid the ransom and got the label removed at the price of having to swallow my pride.


Anyone who would sell off Bitcoin based on anything that happens on these forums much less the actions of a fallible admin should not be considered to having had 'faith' to begin with.

This is relevant to my interests...

Yeah, i'm quickly losing faith in this community here, and Bitcoin as a consequence.

Actually starting to think about selling my mining rigs...

Wait, so Matthew, the president of bitcoin vendors association, and editor for bitcoin magazine is an ex-scammer? My faith in Bitcoin just increased tenfold!

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you people?

Ok, so, hypothetically speaking, if I were to completely pay back TT's debt in BTC (something I'm willing to entertain), it would be grounds for removal of the "Scammer" tag ?

If I gave TT BTC for him to pay back the debt, will that remove the "Scammer" tag ?

... and, Theymos, I take it you don't consider RealSolid/CoinHunter a scammer seeing as how all the mods are notably silent in those discussion threads ?

I just can't wrap my head around the laissez-faire method of forum moderation here.

As an aside, I find it quite humorous and amusing how most people deem me more dangerous than a low-post-count user.

Maybe I'm doing this all so that I can later scam you all for millions! Hahaha - reverse psychology!