Why I have respect for terrytibbs - page 2.

terrytibbs

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Quote from: bitlane on February 15, 2012, 01:58:45 PM

FINE.

I will contribute to the Compensation Fund....and I am sure others will as well.

I would help pay off these 'debts' just to throw a middle finger up at them all, so that there was never another word mentioned about it.

Who wants to collect ? Swallow your pride and come get your $4 so that we can help restore a contributing member back to status.

I don't want your charity. Besides, Maged has stated it would be very difficult to get me back to ship-shape regular member status, because we'd have to find all of my customers and refund them, which may prove difficult as a lot of people have taken a hiatus from Bitcoin.

I appreciate the gesture, however.

theymos

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on February 15, 2012, 11:52:36 AM

I stopped reading right there because I was also labeled a scammer once for arguably no good reason and I am one of the most productive members of the forum now. I don't know TerryTibbs but when I see a scammer tag, I just say "What now?".

You were labeled a scammer because you scammed someone. It was removed because you paid them back.

Terrytibbs scammed someone and has not paid them back. He has a scammer tag so that other traders are warned about this incident. Initially I was opposed to reacting to scammers at all, but I decided that if scammer accounts were not somehow marked, almost everyone would feel that the forum had neglected its responsibility to traders. (Most forums would ban scammers outright.)

The amount of time elapsed since terrytibbs' conflict and the quality of his posts are not relevant: he still scammed someone in the past and has not paid them back.

bitlane

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FINE.

I will contribute to the Compensation Fund....and I am sure others will as well.

I would help pay off these 'debts' just to throw a middle finger up at them all, so that there was never another word mentioned about it.

Who wants to collect ? Swallow your pride and come get your $4 so that we can help restore a contributing member back to status.

terrytibbs

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Quote from: jwzguy on February 15, 2012, 01:16:35 PM

Just because it's not meant as a punishment doesn't mean it's not used to judge whether or not you can be trusted. That's exactly what it's for, and your answers are saying more than anyone else could.

I was specifically referring to the "This forum doesn't handle justice." part.

You're speaking in definitives, the tag isn't. It's a warning - a sign to take extra precautions when trading.

jwzguy

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Quote from: terrytibbs on February 15, 2012, 01:04:01 PM

Quote from: jwzguy on February 15, 2012, 12:38:46 PM

OP: The scammer tag is to give users an idea of whether or not you can be trusted based on your past behavior. I think you should have a pretty clear answer as to whether it should stay now.

Sorry, I think your definition is false. It is merely an indicator of whether or not you should exercise additional caution.

Quote from: theymos on December 09, 2011, 04:43:57 PM

The idea is to warn people who might trade with him, not to punish him. The forum doesn't handle justice.

Wow. You can't have missed his point more completely. Just because it's not meant as a punishment doesn't mean it's not used to judge whether or not you can be trusted. That's exactly what it's for, and your answers are saying more than anyone else could.

terrytibbs

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Quote from: Blind on February 15, 2012, 01:05:35 PM

Company going bankrupt ceases to exist, in the process all valuable assets are liquidated to pay off existing creditors.

And yet the employees get to keep their profits. I, on the other hand, used all profits to purchase refund codes. I haven't earned a single dollar or bitcoin from this that I haven't paid back in refund codes. My little business venture went bankrupt, and I liquidated all assets. If you consider the time spent, I'm actually in the negative, but that's debatable.

Blind

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Quote from: terrytibbs on February 15, 2012, 11:34:43 AM

Quote from: Blind on February 15, 2012, 10:25:46 AM

What makes you a dick is not taking responsibility for merchandise you were selling.

What about a car maker that goes bankrupt, are they also required to continue servicing their customers' cars?

Company going bankrupt ceases to exist, in the process all valuable assets are liquidated to pay off existing creditors. According to laws of morality, as long as you hold 1 BTC, you should refund your customers. I've had pretty rough life at some point, where I owed several grand of private debt while holding a shitty job. I could say fuck it and run away from the debt (by just saying 'no'), I was safe from law and physical harm, but I worked my ass off, living like a dog for over a year and paid back every single penny I owed, this is what differentiates a man from piece of shit.

terrytibbs

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Quote from: jwzguy on February 15, 2012, 12:38:46 PM

OP: The scammer tag is to give users an idea of whether or not you can be trusted based on your past behavior. I think you should have a pretty clear answer as to whether it should stay now.

Sorry, I think your definition is false. It is merely an indicator of whether or not you should exercise additional caution.

Quote from: theymos on December 09, 2011, 04:43:57 PM

The idea is to warn people who might trade with him, not to punish him. The forum doesn't handle justice.

terrytibbs

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on February 15, 2012, 11:52:36 AM

I stopped reading right there because I was also labeled a scammer once for arguably no good reason and I am one of the most productive members of the forum now. I don't know TerryTibbs but when I see a scammer tag, I just say "What now?".

Side effect of handing them out too negligently!

jwzguy

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OP: The scammer tag is to give users an idea of whether or not you can be trusted based on your past behavior. I think you should have a pretty clear answer as to whether it should stay now.

terrytibbs

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Quote from: jwzguy on February 15, 2012, 11:44:12 AM

Oh, so you incorporated and then filed chapter 11? Or were people trusting that you personally were going to give them what they paid you personally for? Did you tell them all that there was a high risk that the codes you were selling them were going to be invalidated because you were dealing with sketchy people and were not going to take on any of that risk yourself?

No.
That is not a question for me to answer.
Did I tell them specifically? No. Should they be cautious when there have been similar intentional scams before, especially considering the outrageously low price? Yes.

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Quote from: Lazer on February 15, 2012, 01:24:47 AM

I neither know nor care to know this terrytibbs. But if he was labeled a scammer then it was probably for a good reason.

I stopped reading right there because I was also labeled a scammer once for arguably no good reason and I am one of the most productive members of the forum now. I don't know TerryTibbs but when I see a scammer tag, I just say "What now?".

jwzguy

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Quote from: terrytibbs on February 15, 2012, 11:34:43 AM

Quote from: Blind on February 15, 2012, 10:25:46 AM

What makes you a dick is not taking responsibility for merchandise you were selling.

What about a car maker that goes bankrupt, are they also required to continue servicing their customers' cars?

Oh, so you incorporated and then filed chapter 11? Or were people trusting that you personally were going to give them what they paid you personally for? Did you tell them all that there was a high risk that the codes you were selling them were going to be invalidated because you were dealing with sketchy people and were not going to take on any of that risk yourself?

I also respected the fact that you didn't just try to hide under a fake handle, but if it was because you don't feel that you were in the wrong, you completely deserve it.

johnj

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I lurk more often nowadays, but from my experience with TT, he's a standup guy.

terrytibbs

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Quote from: Blind on February 15, 2012, 10:25:46 AM

What makes you a dick is not taking responsibility for merchandise you were selling.

What about a car maker that goes bankrupt, are they also required to continue servicing their customers' cars?

Quote from: Blind on February 15, 2012, 10:25:46 AM

I don't see how it was a joke since you admitted your guilt few lines above, enlighten me.

The joke being the scammer subforum...

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Quote from: terrytibbs on February 15, 2012, 07:22:58 AM

If I told you it was a joke all along, would I be even more of a dick?

Nope, what makes you a dick is not taking responsibility for merchandise you were selling. It was pocket money, but still not a way I would conduct a business or be willing to tarnish my name for. I don't see how it was a joke since you admitted your guilt few lines above, enlighten me.

terrytibbs

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Wow! I didn't know I had so many people keeping an eye out for my posts.
Really, I don't mind the tag, it's only fair after what happened. Besides, it isn't a definitive ban from trading (I can still post in the marketplace should I want to), only a heads up to potential customers.
I would never premeditatedly scam someone, and what happened was unfortunate for all parties involved.

There are still people who would trade with me without hesitation, and apart from the occasional badmouthing from the ignorant user, I really don't mind.

Quote from: Blind on February 15, 2012, 12:02:03 AM

However he might be enjoying his scammer tag giving him access to scammer subforum though (please make it public

).

If I told you it was a joke all along, would I be even more of a dick?

bitlane

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Quote from: Lazer on February 15, 2012, 01:24:47 AM

I neither know nor care to know this terrytibbs. But if he was labeled a scammer then it was probably for a good reason.

What your saying is like saying 'I have great respect for OJ Simpson and even though he may have done sum bad things in the past, I respect him for how he is now - he is rehabilitated and I think he should go free'.

The fact is people must pay for the mistakes they make. If he was a good person then he wouldn't have done bad things but if he did he must be punished.

And why don't you read sum history before you exonerate someone that's plead guilty:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.644052

Quote from: terrytibbs on December 08, 2011, 08:53:13 AM

I made some shady business decisions in the past. Perhaps you should reconsider if you were planning on entering into a business deal with me, but other than that, I won't bite.

This is a user who has been asked on occasion, WHY HE DOESN'T JUST CREATE A NEW ACCOUNT ? ....and he explains that although HE COULD.....he chooses not to.

I commend that and think it's time for the MODs to make a call on this. He has shown what type of person he is at this point.

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Quote from: Lazer on February 15, 2012, 01:24:47 AM

I neither know nor care to know this terrytibbs. But if he was labeled a scammer then it was probably for a good reason.

What your saying is like saying 'I have great respect for OJ Simpson and even though he may have done sum bad things in the past, I respect him for how he is now - he is rehabilitated and I think he should go free'.

The fact is people must pay for the mistakes they make. If he was a good person then he wouldn't have done bad things but if he did he must be punished.

And why don't you read sum history before you exonerate someone that's plead guilty:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.644052

Quote from: terrytibbs on December 08, 2011, 08:53:13 AM

I made some shady business decisions in the past. Perhaps you should reconsider if you were planning on entering into a business deal with me, but other than that, I won't bite.

Invalid argument.

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Quote from: Lazer on February 15, 2012, 01:24:47 AM

And why don't you read sum history before you exonerate someone that's plead guilty:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.644052

Point: Lazer. Ok, perhaps not so pathetic after all, that he is labeled a scammer.

Tough, however, to reconcile the "Scammer" label with someone so active in the community who, as best we can tell, learned from his mistakes and is now positive.

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