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April 06, 2016, 12:33:55 PM
#91
I can't understand how a man is able to think can be atheist.
Life is a miracle, birth is a miracle, eveery living is a miracle and all those happened by coincidence? Go home man!
What's believing in miracles got to do with being atheist or not?

Theists believe life began with a God. Which is a miracle.
Atheists believe life began without a God. Which is a miracle.

Seems to me atheists believe in the greater miracle.
Maybe I'm wrong here?
 
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April 06, 2016, 12:03:30 PM
#90
I can't understand how a man is able to think can be atheist.
Life is a miracle, birth is a miracle, eveery living is a miracle and all those happened by coincidence? Go home man!
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April 06, 2016, 10:43:54 AM
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Slavery:
Genocide:
Unjust Retribution:
Homicide:
Kill Those Who Do Not Seek God:
Infanticide:
Social Unrest and Familial Destruction:
Tempting Abraham to Commit Filicide:
God Does Nothing to Prevent Filicide in His Name:
None of these things is morally repugnant. These are parts of the things necessary in a nation that is being set up as a righteous nation of God.

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Those things weren't necessary at all. An omnipotent God would simply snap it's fingers and create a nation without those morally repugnant things.

Unless of course, your god isn't omnipotent, redendering it a false one.
Which is looking highly likely by the way.

Wake up!!  Cheesy

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April 06, 2016, 09:16:44 AM
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April 06, 2016, 04:11:14 AM
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proves the Bible to be a miracle of existence that couldn't have come about if God was not guiding it.

According to you, that Bible could be full of horrors, even including the sacrificing of children, and yet you would not declare it to be morally repugnant because you fully believe that there is not even a single phrase that could possibly be wrong in that book. That book was written over a period of 1,500 years and it has forty different authors, as a result it is not as consistent as would be hoped for. Once you closely examine a wide variety of inspired writings, you will get a feel for how the source of the material relates to its content.

What is morally repugnant in that book? I've seen nothing yet that was. Also, God can make you shoe talk if He wants, so this isn't a problem I think.

A simple google search turns up all sorts of things... you'd be surprised what you find if you ask google... you might even learn something
https://www.google.com/search?q=morally+repugnant+bible

http://web.ccbce.com/multimedia/BLB/faq/nbi/1237.html

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One objection to the divine authority of Scripture concerns the morally repugnant stories that are recorded in its pages. These stories are supposedly inconsistent with the idea of a “holy” Bible. It is true that Scripture does record stories that are morally repugnant. These include: the account of Lot’s incest with his daughters, King David’s adultery and murder, and the murder of babies at Bethlehem. Many more could be added to this list. Why are these stories recorded in the Holy Bible?

http://www.debate.org/debates/Given-the-Bible-God-is-Morally-Repugnant-and-Undeserving-of-Praise-./1/

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Obviously it would be easiest to start with showing that God is morally repugnant. To this end, I will illustrate several examples of the evils this entity has perpetrated, including infanticide, slavery, genocide, unjust retribution, homocide (killing homosexuals), social dissent and familial destruction, killing of non-believers, filicide (killing of one's children), and condemnation for those who do not believe in God.

Slavery:
"Let peoples serve you, and nations pay you homage; Be master of your brothers, and may your mother's sons bow down to you" (NAB Gn. 27:29a).

Genocide:
"When the LORD, your God, brings you into the land which you are to enter and occupy, and dislodges great nations before you… you shall doom them. Make no covenant with them and show them no mercy" (NAB Dt. 7:1a, 2b).

Unjust Retribution:
"If you are not careful to observe every word of the law which is written in this book, and to revere the glorious and awesome name of the LORD, your God, he will smite you and your descendants with severe and constant blows, malignant and lasting maladies… until you are destroyed" (NAB Dt. 28:58-59, 61b).

Homicide:
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Those Who Do Not Seek God:
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Infanticide:
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

Social Unrest and Familial Destruction:
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)

Tempting Abraham to Commit Filicide:
"Some time after these events, God put Abraham to the test. He called to him, "Abraham!" "Ready!" he replied. Then God said: "Take your son Isaac, your only one, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah. There you shall offer him up as a holocaust on a height that I will point out to you." Early the next morning Abraham saddled his donkey, took with him his son Isaac, and two of his servants as well, and with the wood that he had cut for the holocaust, set out for the place of which God had told him. On the third day Abraham got sight of the place from afar. Then he said to his servants: "Both of you stay here with the donkey, while the boy and I go on over yonder. We will worship and then come back to you." Thereupon Abraham took the wood for the holocaust and laid it on his son Isaac's shoulders, while he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two walked on together, Isaac spoke to his father Abraham. "Father!" he said. "Yes, son," he replied. Isaac continued, "Here are the fire and the wood, but where is the sheep for the holocaust?" "Son," Abraham answered, "God himself will provide the sheep for the holocaust." Then the two continued going forward. When they came to the place of which God had told him, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. Next he tied up his son Isaac, and put him on top of the wood on the altar. Then he reached out and took the knife to slaughter his son." (Gn 22:1-10 NAB).

God Does Nothing to Prevent Filicide in His Name:
"Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. "If you deliver the Ammonites into my power," he said, "whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites shall belong to the LORD. I shall offer him up as a holocaust." Jephthah then went on to the Ammonites to fight against them, and the LORD delivered them into his power, so that he inflicted a severe defeat on them, from Aroer to the approach of Minnith (twenty cities in all) and as far as Abel-keramin. Thus were the Ammonites brought into subjection by the Israelites. When Jephthah returned to his house in Mizpah, it was his daughter who came forth, playing the tambourines and dancing. She was an only child: he had neither son nor daughter besides her. When he saw her, he rent his garments and said, "Alas, daughter, you have struck me down and brought calamity upon me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and I cannot retract." "Father," she replied, "you have made a vow to the LORD. Do with me as you have vowed, because the LORD has wrought vengeance for you on your enemies the Ammonites." Then she said to her father, "Let me have this favor. Spare me for two months, that I may go off down the mountains to mourn my virginity with my companions." "Go," he replied, and sent her away for two months. So she departed with her companions and mourned her virginity on the mountains. At the end of the two months she returned to her father, who did to her as he had vowed. She had not been intimate with man. It then became a custom in Israel for Israelite women to go yearly to mourn the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite for four days of the year." (Jg 11:30-40 NAB).
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April 06, 2016, 03:57:43 AM
#86
proves the Bible to be a miracle of existence that couldn't have come about if God was not guiding it.

According to you, that Bible could be full of horrors, even including the sacrificing of children, and yet you would not declare it to be morally repugnant because you fully believe that there is not even a single phrase that could possibly be wrong in that book. That book was written over a period of 1,500 years and it has forty different authors, as a result it is not as consistent as would be hoped for. Once you closely examine a wide variety of inspired writings, you will get a feel for how the source of the material relates to its content.

What is morally repugnant in that book ? I've seen nothing yet that was. Also, God can make you shoe talk if He wants, so this isn't a problem I think.
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April 06, 2016, 02:13:02 AM
#85
proves the Bible to be a miracle of existence that couldn't have come about if God was not guiding it.

According to you, that Bible could be full of horrors, even including the sacrificing of children, and yet you would not declare it to be morally repugnant because you fully believe that there is not even a single phrase that could possibly be wrong in that book. That book was written over a period of 1,500 years and it has forty different authors, as a result it is not as consistent as would be hoped for. Once you closely examine a wide variety of inspired writings, you will get a feel for how the source of the material relates to its content.

I don't think anyone believes the bible doesn't contain any phrases that are wrong... it mentions unicorns, dragons, zombies... talking snakes, talking bushes...

The bible talks about "the four corners of the Earth", as if the Earth was flat and had corners...

The bible says rabbits chew their cud like a cow...

Plenty of incorrect things in the bible, hard to know where I should start the list

http://bibviz.com




Here is a funny video about biblical contradictions:
Quiz Show (Bible Contradictions)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk
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April 06, 2016, 01:32:04 AM
#84
You guys should read the book Rael/Raelism. This book made me go in between being a catholic and an atheist. The book is relying on the bible but it explains the happenings in scientific explanation. I haven't finished it yet but if there are people here who struggles to believe god or not, try reading it. It opened my mind but I just don't have time to finish it yet.

PS: Sorry for my bad english.
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April 05, 2016, 10:09:09 PM
#83
proves the Bible to be a miracle of existence that couldn't have come about if God was not guiding it.

According to you, that Bible could be full of horrors, even including the sacrificing of children, and yet you would not declare it to be morally repugnant because you fully believe that there is not even a single phrase that could possibly be wrong in that book. That book was written over a period of 1,500 years and it has forty different authors, as a result it is not as consistent as would be hoped for. Once you closely examine a wide variety of inspired writings, you will get a feel for how the source of the material relates to its content.
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April 05, 2016, 09:16:46 PM
#82
For the main reason I am an Atheist, I will defer to Matt Dillahunty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSHX4RGcUVs

Quote from: Matt Dillahunty
I want to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible

It's important because you need both parts of that

If you want to believe as many true things as possible, you would believe everything... and if you want to believe as few false things as possible, you believe nothing

But, if you have both of them there... what you're really saying is, "I want my internal model of reality to match the actual reality I live in as best as possible"

And it's important because, every belief you have effects many other beliefs you might have... and your beliefs inform your actions... your actions have consequences for yourself and everybody else!

Basically, it's a way of saying, I want to live in a world where as many people as possible are living as rationally as possible, who care about truth, who value each other
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April 05, 2016, 04:48:03 PM
#81
The fact that the memory is stored in the area where your brain stores memories instead of where your brain stores make-believe fantasy doesn't mean it's real/legitimate in any way whatsoever

You should quote the text that backs up your point, even if it is not this particular paper


I have already posted the video for you 5 times... I refuse to do so again...

I also linked you at least 5 sources from 5 different websites...

If you cannot be bothered read any of my supporting evidence, you are not worth debating

Feel free to do some research about the subject... I am not going to entertain your ignorance any longer... I'm done with this topic

If you have a question about what non-religious people believe about reality and why, refer yourself to google... google will (hopefully) fix your ignorance

Giving up already? Look at how many times I have had to post the scientific proof that God exists. You really need to be a little more patient.

Cool
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April 05, 2016, 04:45:27 PM
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April 05, 2016, 04:34:30 PM
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April 05, 2016, 04:22:54 PM
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The fact that the memory is stored in the area where your brain stores memories instead of where your brain stores make-believe fantasy doesn't mean it's real/legitimate in any way whatsoever

You should quote the text that backs up your point, even if it is not this particular paper


I have already posted the video for you 5 times... I refuse to do so again...

I also linked you at least 5 sources from 5 different websites...

If you cannot be bothered read any of my supporting evidence, you are not worth debating

Feel free to do some research about the subject... I am not going to entertain your ignorance any longer... I'm done with this topic

If you have a question about what non-religious people believe about reality and why, refer yourself to google... google will (hopefully) fix your ignorance
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April 05, 2016, 03:57:32 PM
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The fact that the memory is stored in the area where your brain stores memories instead of where your brain stores make-believe fantasy doesn't mean it's real/legitimate in any way whatsoever

Hey, I don't think you comprehend the Thonnard paper at all! You should quote the text that backs up your point, even if it is not this particular paper. I am mostly interested in discussing with OP his claim that our awareness came from nothing and will return to nothing.

Another interest of mine is:
Does this Helmet really duplicate ALL of the salient elements of NDE, including the phenomenological characteristics that identify it as a valid memory (see Thonnard's paper)?
Could you tell me where the God Helmet experience fits on the Greyson scale? I am talking about NDE, but I can tell that Shermer is talking about OBE, so I am not interested in the video unless I know that the experience scores high on the Greyson scale.

As far as the evidence goes, you should read it all and only then can you make valid conclusions based on knowledge; you won't get this knowledge by having faith in Randi's claim that all mediums are frauds and using the existence of his Prize as the evidence.

The OP made this claim:
"Your awareness comes from nothing and returns to nothing."
And also this one:
"We simpl[y] emerged on a random universe with laws that allowed for this to happen".

But these claims can be refuted with empirical methods.

Actually, simple mechanism can’t yield the brain, and there is plenty of evidence that proves this. I quoted four points by Stuart Hammerroff.

If atheists like the OP are so certain that awareness comes from nothing, why don't they have any idea about how awareness actually got here?

Quote from: Kurt Gödel
I don’t think the brain came in the Darwinian manner. In fact, it is disprovable. Simple mechanism can’t yield the brain. I think the basic elements of the universe are simple. Life force is a primitive element of the universe and it obeys certain laws of action. These laws are not simple, and they are not mechanical.
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April 05, 2016, 03:40:38 PM
#76
How many atheists are here! Let's suppose that we believe a mith not exist. But what if God exist and there's a life after world life and there are heaven and hell? What if all of what religion tells?

You are basically using Pascal's Wager, which is debunked as a logical fallacy (though christians love citing it for some reason)

You cannot use Pascal's Wager to justify believing in a single religion... because what if it was another religion that was correct?

If you use Pascal's Wager to justify believing in christianity... what about Hinduism?  Shouldn't you also believe Hinduism and Islam and every religion on the planet?  Because, "what if you're wrong?"



Richard Dawkins - "What if you're wrong?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmskXXetcg

Quote from: Richard Dawkins
"What if I’m wrong?" I mean, anybody can be wrong. We could all be wrong about the flying spaghetti monster and the pink unicorn and the flying teapot.

You happen to have been brought up, I would presume, in the christian faith. You know what it’s like not to believe in a particular faith because you’re not a Muslim; you’re not a Hindu.

Why aren’t you a Hindu? Because you happen to have been brought up in in America, not in India. If you had been brought up in India, you’d be a Hindu. If you’d been brought up in Denmark at the time of the vikings, you’d be believing in Wotan and Thor. If you had been brought up in classical Greece you’d be believing in Zeus. If you had been brought up in central Africa, you’d be believing in the great Juju up the mountain.

There’s no particular reason to pick on the Judeo christian god in which, by the sheerest accident, you happen to have been brought up, and ask me the question, what if I’m wrong? What if you’re wrong about the great Juju at the bottom of the sea?
If i am wrong i just waste world life time but if you're wrong you exchange infinity for temporary
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April 05, 2016, 03:00:38 PM
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How many atheists are here! Let's suppose that we believe a mith not exist. But what if God exist and there's a life after world life and there are heaven and hell? What if all of what religion tells?

You are basically using Pascal's Wager, which is debunked as a logical fallacy (though christians love citing it for some reason)

You cannot use Pascal's Wager to justify believing in a single religion... because what if it was another religion that was correct?

If you use Pascal's Wager to justify believing in christianity... what about Hinduism?  Shouldn't you also believe Hinduism and Islam and every religion on the planet?  Because, "what if you're wrong?"



Richard Dawkins - "What if you're wrong?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmskXXetcg

Quote from: Richard Dawkins
"What if I’m wrong?" I mean, anybody can be wrong. We could all be wrong about the flying spaghetti monster and the pink unicorn and the flying teapot.

You happen to have been brought up, I would presume, in the christian faith. You know what it’s like not to believe in a particular faith because you’re not a Muslim; you’re not a Hindu.

Why aren’t you a Hindu? Because you happen to have been brought up in in America, not in India. If you had been brought up in India, you’d be a Hindu. If you’d been brought up in Denmark at the time of the vikings, you’d be believing in Wotan and Thor. If you had been brought up in classical Greece you’d be believing in Zeus. If you had been brought up in central Africa, you’d be believing in the great Juju up the mountain.

There’s no particular reason to pick on the Judeo christian god in which, by the sheerest accident, you happen to have been brought up, and ask me the question, what if I’m wrong? What if you’re wrong about the great Juju at the bottom of the sea?
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April 05, 2016, 02:56:39 PM
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Gays aren't normal. Being normal mean that are like the majority. You're doing the confusion between being unormal and being discrimated. That's not because I said that they were not normal that they should be discriminated. That's another story, not the point of this subject. Seen by the way that they're not how the human was intented, they're not normal. Also, we're not animals, so comparing ourselves with them is not the best thing to do. Finally, these same animals reproduct themselves, even if gays, they just don't say in couple with their faggot boyfriend !

Are you retarded?

Anything that isn't in the majority is not normal and should be discriminated against?  What the fuck?  Where do you idiots find this bullshit?

So... if you are left-handed... fuck you... if you have freckles or red hair, fuck you... if you are black or Jewish, fuck you... if you are gay, fuck off... if you wear glasses, you deserve to die

You really need to re-think your game-plan... you just made an enemy of basically everyone... Are you in the KKK?


If you think homosexuality isn't natural... here is a link to a documentary that you won't watch, which explains everything you don't understand
Animal Homosexuality Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYdcvRe7ox8

God created the man to go with the woman. Two men fucking together is disgusting. Can I even call them man ? They lost everything that made them men : honour, manliness, procreation, family. Gays derivate from the standard. Does left-handed : are against the Nation, against the perpetuation of the Race and against God's law ? No, so no hate toward them.

Yeah, BADecker, that's funny Grin !

About the KKK, I won't reply to this Roll Eyes...

I'll take that as a yes to questions #1 & #5
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April 05, 2016, 02:39:12 PM
#73
Gays aren't normal. Being normal mean that are like the majority. You're doing the confusion between being unormal and being discrimated. That's not because I said that they were not normal that they should be discriminated. That's another story, not the point of this subject. Seen by the way that they're not how the human was intented, they're not normal. Also, we're not animals, so comparing ourselves with them is not the best thing to do. Finally, these same animals reproduct themselves, even if gays, they just don't say in couple with their faggot boyfriend !

Are you retarded?

Anything that isn't in the majority is not normal and should be discriminated against?  What the fuck?  Where do you idiots find this bullshit?

So... if you are left-handed... fuck you... if you have freckles or red hair, fuck you... if you are black or Jewish, fuck you... if you are gay, fuck off... if you wear glasses, you deserve to die

You really need to re-think your game-plan... you just made an enemy of basically everyone... Are you in the KKK?


If you think homosexuality isn't natural... here is a link to a documentary that you won't watch, which explains everything you don't understand
Animal Homosexuality Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYdcvRe7ox8

God created the man to go with the woman. Two men fucking together is disgusting. Can I even call them man ? They lost everything that made them men : honour, manliness, procreation, family. Gays derivate from the standard. Does left-handed : are against the Nation, against the perpetuation of the Race and against God's law ? No, so no hate toward them.

Yeah, BADecker, that's funny Grin !

About the KKK, I won't reply to this Roll Eyes...
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April 05, 2016, 02:30:29 PM
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How many atheists are here! Let's suppose that we believe a mith not exist. But what if God exist and there's a life after world life and there are heaven and hell? What if all of what religion tells?
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