Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 88. (Read 89022 times)

The core pattern of mankind being similar to the pattern of God, will recognize the new eternity as though it had been the same as the old eternity.

I provided an example; check it out:

You were awareness (you did exist as an aware person, so you were like human before you were conceived) for an eternity and are going to be awareness again (you are going to be alive again) for another eternity.

You forgot about me?

We've crossed swords here before. Apparently today that means something entirely different, check urban dictionary, but you know what I mean.

 

Ah! A seeker of knowledge. Nice to have met you.   

Couldn't agree more. The awnser: nope, and to 'hygenic' I'd like to add 'fincancial'.


This is new to me and I will check it out.


Same here, I have to do some homework to provide a proper response although I'm haven't spoken against it, have I?


I take no offense to the way you write your posts, also English isn't my first language.

Most (all?) of the creatures that live longer, live slower lives. Their metabolism is slower. They don't "burn themselves out" as fast.


In several place around the world, there are groups of people, many of whom, live more than a hundred years. Science with all its money hasn't been able to figure out for sure why. And the extensions that science has done in our own lives are basically hygienic in nature.

If you check the news, it is being found that vaccines don't work as people have been led to believe. Cancer cures kill more than they save life. Nature and homeopathy work better. Cannabis oil has some 80% of its users saying that they would never go back to medicine.

The point? Are we even on the right track with medicine and research?


Look up cause and effect. It is upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. Everything is caused by something. Everything.

Greater intelligence than man must have caused man. Why. Entropy (the destroyer of complexity) exists throughout. Because of it, the lesser can never create the greater.

Entropy is reducing complexity. There must have been a beginning because of this. No eternal universe or the whole thing would have dispersed into ? ? ? long ago.

In a cause and effect universe that has intelligence (mankind), something of greater intelligence brought it into being.

The intelligence that causes our intelligence via cause and effect, after thousands of years entropy which destroys complexity, fits the dictionary definition of "God."



The universe is one. You can't ignore part of it in your thinking and come to accurate conclusions. When you try to ignore the basics that show God exists, you will never reach proper conclusions. You might be able to ignore the idea of God. But you can't ignore the fact of God. He is proven to exist. Ignore Him and you have to ignore at least part of science, and you will never figure out any great science by ignoring science.

Btw, I say "you" in the non-personal sense.

Lol, check.


You know that's not the point, plus seaturtles are awesome.


I think we can, the potential is there but lies dormant, or maybe it's dying off I'm not sure.


Example?


I don't think I understand what you mean by this.

People bad. These people worse.   


Yabut, do they have as much excitement in life?   



But my point is something like, CAN we pay attention to full potential. Probably not. Why not? Because many of the deep researchers will not accept the fact of God.

What does God have to do with it? The universe is one. Cause and effect show that God exists. You can't ignore fundamental science in a universe that is one and expect to get anywhere with science (fuller attention and fuller potential).

Isn't that what I said? They fill up on beer and hamburgers and then complain about cholesterol. Does that make someone bad? I'd rather call it 'unknowing', or stubborn.


You tell me. Do you think they're rhetorical? Exact numbers aside, they do grow older than humans.


That's my point, we are now only able to regenerate cuts and bruises because we don't pay any attention to the full potential of this feature.

People aren't good enough at living to keep themselves alive very long. Death bad. People bad.


I'm sure nobody has entirely figured out the answers to these questions. Or were they rhetorical questions?


Except that none of the things you talk about are full cures. And nobody knows that full cures can exist in this life. We bad.



All fun and dandy. That we know about, all church-going people die, as do the non-church-goers. Perhaps there is somebody out there somewhere, who is 500 years old. But he isn't telling, and certainly not proving it very well.

The point? Church-going is for the saving of the soul for the next life, where it will be reunited with a perfect body, where there will be no bad.

People are bad because they don't live long? That's a straight up non secquitur. People don't live long because of the conditions they live in, the physical strain they put on their bodies and most important: what they eat and drink.

Why do seaturtles live 175 years, or parrots?

We have the ability to regenerate, but we are only using very low intensity. This way bones can mend, bruises will heal and cuts are closed but broken necks are still a bit of an endeavour. Improving your diet will improve longevity, there's even companies out there that provide supplements for improving the regenarative capacity of your DNA cells.

So I disagree with that but I fully support 'going to Church' as a positive influence on those seeking guidance, or peace of mind, or strenhth. Sure, if it helps, it helps.

Mens sane in corpora sana, or as Moe Syczlak puts it: 'nice hole, nice soul'.

All people are bad people. How can we tell? None of us live very long. At least not when compared with time that exists. If we were anywhere near perfect, we would live a lot longer.

The difference between the bad people that are in church and the bad people that are not in church is, the bad people in church know that they are bad, and have come to God to find the only relief from their badness that there is.

"Church" is a term that can mean lots of things to many different people. Often, the people in the church are seeking to help other people find relief from badness. This is done by many outside the church, as well. But since God is the only true relief from badness, the people in the church are better at it when they explain about God.

God loves you, Fluffer. His arms are wide open to save you, if only you will come to Him. You don't really need church to come to Him. You can pick up a copy of the Bible and read it to come to Him. But I am of the church, and am extending the offer of eternal life to you, the eternal life that God holds out in the pages of the Bible.

Now tell me who is bad. Is it the person who wants to change his badness by going to God, the only way to change badness? Or is it the person who wants to remain in his badness by staying away from God, the Bible and church, and locking himself into his badness thereby?

Actually, the people of India never had any doubts about the historicity of Krishna until the colonial invaders projected Krishna as a mythical figure cooked up by wonderful stories. Planetary configurations mentioned in the ancient scriptures pertaining to major events and personages connected, help us date events that happened around these personages, centuries and millenia ago.

While Divinity is a matter of faith, historicity is a matter of existence.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dalNJ4luBws
Text: http://www.artoflivingsecrets.com/krishna-history-or-myth/

If you are suggesting that a caring parent takes his/her child to church, than you must also be suggesting that the church cares for the child? Right? Makes logical sense.
You need to educate yourself the exact reason that the church exists in the first place. Spoiler alert: It don't exist for your benefit, only for the smart elite in charge.

Still doesn't scan. If your parents didn't believe in centralised religion they wouldn't have taken you to church regardless of whether or not they cared, would they?

Didn't take you to church.   

Can you explain your rationale here? I don't follow your logic.

Maybe your parents didn't care about you that's why you ended up becoming an atheist.

Well, if you actually read the study or some of the discussions you would know that he actually heard the sound because he remembers correctly the actual sound that was played and this was validated by medical staff witnesses, and other elements of what went on may also corroborate that he was aware. After hearing the sound (and this occurred after 2 minutes), the medical staff shocked the patient, but he did not remember feeling any pain upon being shocked, so that is further confirmation that the brain activity had ceased by that time.

I believe that this is the conclusion of modern neuroscience, that complex brain activity like perception, "hallucination", memory formation, and other higher functions are in fact never observed during an absence of EEG (it is the popular scientific opinion that brain activity is required for higher mental functions).

Neurons are definitely much more complex than something which can be reduced to bits and bytes, as I have explained before. Admitting this fact will destroy materialism though, because there is no other means for such information to be stored than at the quantum level in the neural microtubules as postulated by Orch OR.

I think the evidence speaks for itself; of course, it helps to read it all in detail!

If the EEG was flat, what is the evidence that he indeed heard the sound? His word, like with the junkie?

The burden of evidence about the moment of the creation of the memory is on anyone claiming it was after the end of brain activity.

Who says that one has to register on an EEG to be able to hear and remember a simple sound?

We know very little about the brain. Neurons are still alive, they might be able to register certain facts. At least this explanation doesn't force to accept things that have no evidence, like souls.

I'm so completely overwhelmed with the weight of your evidences that I should post an ad to buy a flying horse.