Topic: Why I'm boycotting bitcoins. - page 4. (Read 16427 times)

Um, I'm not a libertarian. I'm actually a socialist anarchist at heart. I support Bitcoin in part precisely because it opens up an alternate form of currency and value in nations for which trust in the local currency is sketchy at best, in crippling hyperinflation at worst. Perhaps you're not aware of the fact that more people in Kenya have smartphones than they do running water.  The internet itself began as a technology reserved for an entitled few, but has become *the* global form of communication, used by both rich and poor.

I sense a rather smug "better-than-thou" elitism in your own words, so I don't plan to waste a lot of time trying to get you to see Bitcoin from a different perspective. But I suspect that you would have written more or less the same words about the Internet in the mid 90s - on paper with pen - and hand delivered it to a local computer user group - of largely heterosexual white males.

China is rapidly becoming the dominant hub of Bitcoin activity.  I don't think they would take too kindly to your claim that they are "white".  In fact, they might consider you a bit of a racist.

But continue to boycott Bitcoins. It really doesn't matter to anyone but you. The world will continue to evolve technologically, but there will always be those who - for whatever reason - resist progress.

Also, boycott dollars. They only serve to uphold the current kyriarchal socioeconomic structures by making sure the privileged become more privileged.  Maybe you can find someone who will accept payment in leaves or bark. Just don't oppress the trees in the process of collecting them.

SRS scum detected. Added to ignore list.

It sickens me to see that you disgusting excuses for human beings have spread to bitcointalk. I've witnessed your sad attempts at suppressing free-speech all over the internet. You cannot suppress the free currency.

Go back to your clan of ugly, hairy, women; your shilling doesn't work here.

I'm done. If you think you can actually live (and I mean live, not exist) in the US without ever touching the USD I can't do anything for you.

My point is if you wish to own anything at all, or you ever wish to own anything at all, in the US you will at some point have to use FIAT to pay taxes on what you own. Of course you don't have to pay, but if you don't they take your stuff and sell it for FIAT which is the same thing.

Even if you only work for food, you never get paid a single FIAT dollar for labor in your life, you still owe income tax equivalent to the dollar value of the food you receive. Same with getting paid with bitcoins, same with gold. You owe the US GOV fed dollars, if you want to stay legal.

With services like moneero it won't even need to be a smart phone. Any phone will do, you can send via sms.

A guy in Africa with access to a smart-phone and a mailbox can transact with almost anyone on the planet. No currency has ever been able to hand power to the poor like bitcoin.

Notice I did not say "go to jail" I said "get in trouble" as in the IRS owns your house, you get what's left. You still have assets, and those assets are worth money. Same thing as owning money to the IRS. If you hide assets or do the same thing year after year I can see you going to jail.

And if a homeless person finds a million dollars, well then that homeless man now has money then am I right? Thank you for proving my point. A Porsche is a rather terrible asset, still the same as cash.

This is dumb. If you owe taxes you have something to pay taxes with. If you owe taxes and you can't pay taxes because you blew your money then yes you will get into trouble.

If you have no money you have no taxes. If you have money you have taxes. End of story.

bitcoin is agnostic to who uses it for what and who owns it. The tech/maths stands on its own merits

you may be confusing the uses and users of BTC with the bitcoin itslef

Well at the risk of nonpayment penalties and estate auctions tend to get pretty low dollar.  So your $10,000 tax bill might be $15,000 with penalties, fees, and interest and the state may confiscate $30,000 worth of goods to auction off.  Any excess from the auction will be returned to you as legal tender.  Also while this may work for one or two years habitual tax evasion is a crime and you will end up in jail.

So saying legal tender is voluntary is like saying food is voluntary.  You can voluntarily choose to starve to death.  See you don't really need food, air, or water either.  You just want those things to avoid an untimely death.  When you stretch a definition to the point of stupidity well it is just stupid. 

HAHAHA!

If you have assets and no legal tender and owe taxes the agents of the state will confiscate your assets and sell them at auction to pay your tax debt.  If you resist said confiscation the agents of the state will use violence to ensure the confiscation is successful.  If you defend yourself against that violence you will be going to jail unless you catch a bad case of dead first.

It's a wee bit more than just inconvenient, is the point I'm trying to get across.

Lets assume we are American, for example; Obama decides everyone needs healthcare and will fine you 100$ for every month you don't get it.

Now what?  How do you move to another nation without fiat?

my asian wife disagrees with the Op ... go figure... 

Right; if you have no money, you have no property, for if you had property, you would need to pay a property tax, and because you had no money to pay your property tax, you could not own property (at least, not for very long), therefore you would be a vagrant.

You could also get by as a mooch, now that I think about it; you'd be at the whims of whomever was housing you but that's no fun.  It'd be hard to find a job; most everyone pays in fiat.  I suppose you could barter...

That would imply vagrancy; I'm not sure which is better.  In one case, you get shelter and meals, but in the other case, you're less likely to be sexually assaulted...

True; they could always sit in jail for failing to pay their taxes

Same arguments can be applied to using the internet itself, yet here you are, using the internet to post, will you be boycotting yourself from the internet as well to reaffirm your point?

That really sums it up, and it's fundamental difference compared to fiat. No one is forced to use it, but people do want to use it because they know there is no central issuing agency that can play with inflation however they fucking want.

Going pretty good so far