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January 09, 2015, 09:26:16 AM
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European Union will fail because their citizens are over paid and over feed.


Some of the citizens are overpaid and overfed.... This is what the EU is supposed to address by the creation of "one market".

They need to apply the free market principles to as many markets as possible and as fast as possible to regulate naturally those markets.
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European Union will fail because their citizens are over paid and over feed.


Some of the citizens are overpaid and overfed.... This is what the EU is supposed to address by the creation of "one market".
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European Union will fail because their citizens are over paid and over feed.


Rather, the European Union will fail because their government officials are over paid and over fed, and there are way too many of them.

Smiley

They waste the money on them and on overpriced services.
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Your country may be your worst enemy
1. In Europe the only place where you will not be treated as a foreigner is where both of your parents (and grand parents) are born. Meaning that a German will always be a foreigner in Spain (not even speaking about language difficulties).

You have no idea of what you're talking about.
Actually, it's much worse than that. An East German is still seen as a foreigner in some parts of what was western Germany, an Italian from Napoli isn't welcome in Milano, and Parisians are treated like mad men in the rural areas of France, but frankly nobody cares about that anymore. In Southern France or in Tuscany, there are small villages where the foreigners vastly outnumbers the locals, and everything's fine.
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European Union will fail because their citizens are over paid and over feed.


Rather, the European Union will fail because their government officials are over paid and over fed, and there are way too many of them.

Smiley
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European Union will fail because their citizens are over paid and over feed.
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The only reason that the European Union exists is to copy the United States, hoping that this copying will bring prosperity like the United States prosperity.

The common pee pole have been convince by those in governments that there is an advantage to union. The oaf-icials in governments realize that there is money in raping the pee pole via the Union. More and more government oaf-icials want a bigger and bigger piece of the pee pole pie. This greed is destroying the little bit of real promise that there might have been in a European Union government.

Government oaf-icials' greed is destroying the European Union. This is good. The common pee pole won't be plundered as much this way.

Smiley

The European Union is suffering from bad economic laws such as the minimum wage, high government wasteful spending and high debt.
It is actually economic policy but you are correct. Much of the EU has many socialists type labor laws that very much favor the worker. The problem is that these laws only give very short term gains to workers and are NPV negative for them over the long run
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The only reason that the European Union exists is to copy the United States, hoping that this copying will bring prosperity like the United States prosperity.

The common pee pole have been convince by those in governments that there is an advantage to union. The oaf-icials in governments realize that there is money in raping the pee pole via the Union. More and more government oaf-icials want a bigger and bigger piece of the pee pole pie. This greed is destroying the little bit of real promise that there might have been in a European Union government.

Government oaf-icials' greed is destroying the European Union. This is good. The common pee pole won't be plundered as much this way.

Smiley

The European Union is suffering from bad economic laws such as the minimum wage, high government wasteful spending and high debt.
legendary
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The only reason that the European Union exists is to copy the United States, hoping that this copying will bring prosperity like the United States prosperity.

The common pee pole have been convince by those in governments that there is an advantage to union. The oaf-icials in governments realize that there is money in raping the pee pole via the Union. More and more government oaf-icials want a bigger and bigger piece of the pee pole pie. This greed is destroying the little bit of real promise that there might have been in a European Union government.

Government oaf-icials' greed is destroying the European Union. This is good. The common pee pole won't be plundered as much this way.

Smiley
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These 3 Big Elections May Determine Europe's Fate
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On January 1, Lithuania became the newest member of the Eurozone, joining a club of eighteen other nations in a currency union that has troubled Europe’s economy for the past several years. Unfortunately, the celebration over Lithuanian membership will be short lived, because 2015 will prove to be a turbulent year. Indeed, three important elections pose an existential threat to the European Union as we know it:

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/these-3-big-elections-may-determine-europes-fate-11972

Greece

Britain

Italy. Europe will be kept together if the politics want it but it could become a smaller group of states.
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These 3 Big Elections May Determine Europe's Fate
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On January 1, Lithuania became the newest member of the Eurozone, joining a club of eighteen other nations in a currency union that has troubled Europe’s economy for the past several years. Unfortunately, the celebration over Lithuanian membership will be short lived, because 2015 will prove to be a turbulent year. Indeed, three important elections pose an existential threat to the European Union as we know it:

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/these-3-big-elections-may-determine-europes-fate-11972
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lituania in.. greece out?

Greece is not out quite yet!
legendary
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lituania in.. greece out?
legendary
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I think you should try and read my second comment again, this time with a more relaxed mind, there is more to it than what your comments suggest you've understood. All I'll say is that I don't use words randomly and that all my comments/responses are complete (by that I mean they contain all essential information and don't require follow-ups) Wink
The reason I don't wanna discuss this topic further is simple, it will not achieve anything. It is clear from your second comment that your understanding cannot realistically be challenged, it is not yet set in stone but I estimate my chances of penetrating your defenses to be less than 3%.  This means that writing pages of text, while time consuming, will have little to no effect. I believe however that you have enough material to work with (from our comments so far) in case you are genuinely curious  Smiley

Alright, hand-waving it is then - kthxbye. Roll Eyes
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Delegating responsibility (to the 'ones at the top') has always been the primary means of mitigating guilt. It does not come as a surprise that your argument strongly supports possibility number one.

I'm under no illusion that there is no systemic component to the problem - that is to say, replace the "one at the top" with someone else, and you'll often still get the same outcome. But that doesn't invalidate anything I said so far: these policies are still not laws of nature; and they, and indeed society, have been changing as awareness increases. To give obvious examples: slavery and racism are no longer viewed as being acceptable; women can vote; popular participation in policy decisions is increasing; etc.. So, I fail to see how, in your view, my argument supports the idea that this will lead to an overcoming of individual free will through force (I imagine you mean, forming the equivalent of a totalitarian state) - that is, unless your idea of free will is doing any and everything you want, without having to deal with the consequences (like jumping out of a cliff and not having to fall). Tongue

Unfortunately it is impossible for me to further elaborate on my comment without challenging your fundamental understanding of the world. Proceeding past this point on an intellectual level will only lead to a dead end, it is unavoidable. From here you have to come to your own conclusions. Good luck! Smiley

That seems like a cop-out. Feel free to challenge my fundamental understanding of the world - I like to learn new things. But you'll have to make do with rational arguments, not hand-waving. Tongue

I think you should try and read my second comment again, this time with a more relaxed mind, there is more to it than what your comments suggest you've understood. All I'll say is that I don't use words randomly and that all my comments/responses are complete (by that I mean they contain all essential information and don't require follow-ups) Wink
The reason I don't wanna discuss this topic further is simple, it will not achieve anything. It is clear from your second comment that your understanding cannot realistically be challenged, it is not yet set in stone but I estimate my chances of penetrating your defenses to be less than 3%.  This means that writing pages of text, while time consuming, will have little to no effect. I believe however that you have enough material to work with (from our comments so far) in case you are genuinely curious  Smiley
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eu is doomed because of the malfunctioning monetary system called euro which is stagnating most countries and benefits only germany, now even germany stagnating like bitbay or blocknet  Smiley
then sanctions against russia makes russian people angry because they don't produce anything but oil and they are going broke and then putin can say it's europe's fault and attack to eu  Smiley then ww3

EU problems are not the Euro it's the debt, the big governments that suck most the wealth creation.

Euro is also the problem because it doesn't bend like national currencies used to so it's creating a massive unemployment in some countries (too strong euro for exports -> gdp shortfall) and benefits some countries, mostly germany (too cheap euro)  Smiley That's why some countries like italy or finland are in a dept cycle.  Smiley
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eu is doomed because of the malfunctioning monetary system called euro which is stagnating most countries and benefits only germany, now even germany stagnating like bitbay or blocknet  Smiley
then sanctions against russia makes russian people angry because they don't produce anything but oil and they are going broke and then putin can say it's europe's fault and attack to eu  Smiley then ww3

EU problems are not the Euro it's the debt, the big governments that suck most the wealth creation.
sr. member
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eu is doomed because of the malfunctioning monetary system called euro which is stagnating most countries and benefits only germany, now even germany stagnating like bitbay or blocknet  Smiley
then sanctions against russia makes russian people angry because they don't produce anything but oil and they are going broke and then putin can say it's europe's fault and attack to eu  Smiley then ww3
legendary
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Delegating responsibility (to the 'ones at the top') has always been the primary means of mitigating guilt. It does not come as a surprise that your argument strongly supports possibility number one.

I'm under no illusion that there is no systemic component to the problem - that is to say, replace the "one at the top" with someone else, and you'll often still get the same outcome. But that doesn't invalidate anything I said so far: these policies are still not laws of nature; and they, and indeed society, have been changing as awareness increases. To give obvious examples: slavery and racism are no longer viewed as being acceptable; women can vote; popular participation in policy decisions is increasing; etc.. So, I fail to see how, in your view, my argument supports the idea that this will lead to an overcoming of individual free will through force (I imagine you mean, forming the equivalent of a totalitarian state) - that is, unless your idea of free will is doing any and everything you want, without having to deal with the consequences (like jumping out of a cliff and not having to fall). Tongue

Unfortunately it is impossible for me to further elaborate on my comment without challenging your fundamental understanding of the world. Proceeding past this point on an intellectual level will only lead to a dead end, it is unavoidable. From here you have to come to your own conclusions. Good luck! Smiley

That seems like a cop-out. Feel free to challenge my fundamental understanding of the world - I like to learn new things. But you'll have to make do with rational arguments, not hand-waving. Tongue
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