Topic: Why is the Dollar good and Bitcoin bad for people - page 2. (Read 834 times)

Don't find an excuse for this, you actually made the tone of the topic and body look like that, so what do you expect? But as much as many would call you anti-Bitcoin and that your post doesn't make any sense, I still respect it since you are constructive enough and make sense in some of the points, but as before, you are too rigid with your disposition which will always cause you to be blinded to the actual fact. What fiat is capable of, Bitcoin is as well so far it is acceptable in that circumstances, so don't limit it.

Better still, if you are constructing a fact, for instance, the goods and services related ones you claimed this to be, you should just do it in the normal fiat inclination without drawing Bitcoin to it, perhaps people's response will be different in more economics way than this.

I am responding to you through the subject title of your topic, so when you look at it very well you know that bitcoin is something that I have haters from the beginning, so whatever you are having with Bitcoin make sure that you make your own decision do not be dependent on people who from them Bitcoin at something that does not have a value or something that is being used for illegalities basically from my own understanding it is being seen to me that the Bitcoin cannot be compared with all this centralized currencies because bitcoin is digital currency which is decentralized, so let us understand such phenomenon

So basically, you're mad at me for stating the obvious fact that the Bitcoin payment system, unlike the banking ones, doesn't protect it's users by ensuring they get goods or services back. Which makes numbers that it issues bad numbers. But you joined this system, you got its numbers. And now you need new suckers otherwise you cannot get back good numbers, i.e. bank-isseud numbers that you gave up when joining the system. I have a simple question for you: why are you not mad at those that invented such a bad system or at those that fooled you to invest in it? Instead, you're mad at the person that is telling you the truth? And of course, if you spread propaganda that the Bitcoin system is better than the banking ones with the intention to attract new suckers and get their bank-isseud numbers, you're essentially scamming people. You're part of a global scam operation that trays to extract good numbers from the public and dump bad numbers on them. It's pretty simple.

Hey, JamesNZ, you absolute moron. Seriously, what is your problem? You're the only one here who can't seem to stay on topic. You're just throwing around baseless accusations and acting like a petulant child. It's honestly pathetic.

You claim that "literally every responder here" is ignoring the subject and spreading Bitcoin propaganda or engaging in ad hominems. Newsflash: they're not. People are sharing their thoughts and opinions related to the topic, which is perfectly fine. But you, you can't seem to do that without resorting to name-calling and wild assumptions.

And let's talk about those accusations. You love calling people scammers and liars without providing a shred of evidence. Seriously, do you even know what a fact is? Or are you just making things up as you go along? It's honestly baffling how you can throw around such serious allegations without any proof whatsoever.

Cheers! (But not really, because you're kind of a jerk.)

I have to confess that I haven't read the entire OP, but a few comments below that discouraged me from reading all the text (thank you Hatchy). Way too long. If JamesNZ wanted to catch my attention, he should've started his topic with a shorter text that included the key points, and then elaborate more his arguments through the thread.

Anyway, I don't think he would have been successful in convincing others either, because being realistic, this is not the best forum to make statements; but, at least, some more would've tried to understand him and participate in the conversation.

I think the direction of your conversation is more emphasis on how we see the real impact of preservation on digital payment systems to meet the needs and wants of one or many people where people need goods and services. quite relevant.

Well, regarding statements like the above I think it's simple because they all depend on each of us's point of view, so to make it easy to understand, everything leads to the level of use where the correlation depends on the level of need and the level of risk tolerance and personal preferences of the individual in general, then it is not wrong let alone talking about protecting or not here, there are only two options that are visible,  if you really like the freedom of choice is BTC, and if you don't want to get hit and feel comfortable, yes, to USDT.

You are a better man than I can ever be, I just get mad at it when there are trolls about bitcoin, I can see they are lying and I can see that they even know that they are lying, I just want to make sure that we could probably do better with it if given enough time. This isn't always that simple, and we shouldn't really be considering the situation changing all that much.

We need to realize that not all people who write here do so because they want to share anything, some of them do it because they want to get hate, they like it, they realized that they can't be loved by anyone so might as well at least get hate and that is why they do it. This attention makes them live, it's the reason why they are doing what they are doing and if we stop giving attention, they would stop.

Op and his intentions (who knows) .... I couldn't read the second time to see if I'm the one making mistake, but the responses here are telling me that there's no need because it seems I got it right from the first read!   Just like the quote above, I can see mindset and mentality problems on the side of the Op.....even if just looking for whom to discourage about BTC....

 As it is, I believe the same thing happened in the emergence of mobile banking... They are not reliable this and that but today you can imagine (traditional banks has to measure up by also giving mobile banking services...
In the case of currency itself, crypto has given such move of which BTC has come to be @the top... There's no need to panic, some people don't use BTC because they lack the know how, if not I believe we all can imagine the level of usage?....

Right now
BTC is only not protected when any government decides against it for whatever reason or reasons... Even the banks and account owners can be under cyber attacks just like BTC and btc holders... All these and many more being the case, one can also point how the op was busy contradicting himself... Trying to discourage unprepared minds from equiping themselves to follow up with the present order of currency.....

Currency has received innovations since human history and presently we have crypto with BTC the ultra...
It can only be mindset and mentality towards BTC that will make some one not to take up any opportunity that BTC has and will provide....
However, the op is not without bias about BTC

Bitcoin is legal almost everywhere. What country are you talking about?

Have many reason why the dollar is save and good and bitcoin bad for people. For bitcoin payment system is illegal many countries. But the Dollar use any system any countries. If bitcoin usually using all countries but It's illegal system. So the dollar is more save for people.

Until now, because in this era, the majority of people around the world still use cash to pay, and not all places have internet. And we know that here in the bitcoin or crypto business,
you can't have internet. So it is difficult to suddenly get rid of the money at this age.

This will only cause an additional burden for the majority of people when the dollar or physical money is gone. So it's better for me that you have these two that
we can use in any place we land.

The subject of this topic is the return of goods and services once people gave up on them by joining a number-based payment system. It's mind boggling how literally every responder here vehemently ignores the subject and just spreads the usual Bitcoin propaganda or engages in ad hominems against the author.

Come on, just cut the crap. You're scammer for a simple reason of trash talking the banking system - which protects holders of its numbers, and sweet talking the Bitcoin system that doesn't protect holders of its numbers. Whenever I write a post demonstrating the said fact via different arguments, you come along with your ad hominem attacks or simply with talk that boils down to this: 'fiat is bad, bitcoins are good' or 'banks are evil, Bitcoin is our savior'. For some reason you became Bitcoin holder. In the same time, you know that bitcoins cannot satisfy your needs and wants, and you know that the system doesn't ensure you'll get good and services based on your holdings. In short, you know that the numbers issued by the Bitcoin system are bad. That's why you need to get rid of them. You need suckers to dump bad numbers on them. And the best way to attract suckers is to sweet talk about the thing you want to dump. To talk positive about bitcoins. Even though you know they are bad numbers. That's called propaganda. That's called scamming people. And that makes you a scammer.

Misunderstanding and misconception has always been the reason for individual lack of interest in Bitcoin investment, having said that, I don't think that it is a good idea to call some stuff a scam when you have not been into the system, people do this all the time, I agree with you that there should be increase in individual awareness and knowledge to avoid being scammed in the system as you said but I want you to also understand that people believe what they feel that's real for them, once individual mindset is biased about an investment such person fails to put interest in anything concerning that invest so once he or she hear anything relating to that investment he will discourage people about it, so I see this as ignorance, you don't know something until you are interested and a little trial will convince us towards the efficiency and transparency of the said investment, some person may prefer dollar because of reason best known to them but the truth is that Bitcoin surpass every other currency both in value and in other aspects.

Obviously, the dollar is in almost every home and it is the most common world currency; it is easy to pay with it, because it can physically be touched or transferred when paying for goods and services. But this is only on the surface, if we start to delve into the main meaning, then the dollar and bitcoin have completely big differences due to emission. After all, everyone knows that the dollar can be printed as much as they want, and this has already been said many times, while Bitcoin has a limited quantity. If we hold one bitcoin and do not sell it, then in 5 years with a high degree of probability it will become more expensive due to the fact that it is a deflationary asset. This will not work with dollars, because inflation constantly affects the dollar, and in 5 years $10k will be able to buy significantly less goods and services, I think many have felt this especially in recent years.

In general, the dollar is convenient to use in the moment. About Bitcoin, I can only say that some people may lose it because they do not know how to use it, and of course no one will give you any guarantees of its return, you will simply lose it forever, so you need to be careful.

Both of good one. But usage is changing. So bitcoin not use the cash. But dollar is use the cash mode. That the reason bitcoin will not use everywhere. Coming future bitcoin will be reach every country. Bitcoin users never will be lose the bitcoin. Wait for the wright time to process. Dollar everyone using.

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You have a long post here, perhaps I should explore them bit by bit over time and reply where necessary.

Are you saying that fiat is legit and Bitcoin is not? You are seriously missing facts. Why is Bitcoin in the main financial stream today if your view is to be upheld? Bitcoin will even protect people's goods and services more than fiat because it is decentralised but fiat can still be controlled by the banks and others and stop any transaction they wish to stop.

Bitcoin is better as long as you deal with trusted parties. In the worst case, you may have a legal agreement about this and your transaction will push through at all cost.

Hold on, conspiracy theorist. You directly accused me of being a liar and a scammer, so I'll ask you again, where exactly did I lie? Show me one single instance of me spreading propaganda or making false claims.  You built a strawman argument bigger than your ego. Where did you get the idea that I am actively spreading propaganda about Bitcoin? Show me the proof.

This is a textbook example of Bitcoin propaganda that I mentioned - banks are bad Bitcoin is good. Tell me, why did you write this text? The question is of course rhetorical. You wrote it because you want more people to join in. You want bigger demand. Why? Why is Bitcoin community so obsessed with the demand? With the price. Why is it that whenever Bitcoin is accepted by some institution or a country you are so happy sharing the news? It's simple. The bigger demand means that you will get more fiat and thus, more goods and services. Because this is your ultimate goal -  getting good numbers issued by the banks because they ensure you'll get goods and services back. It is cars, houses, food, mobile phones, etc. what you want. Not numbers on the screen. So, your ultimate goal is to dump Bitcoin on someone else. That's why you talk positive about Bitcoin and negative about the banks. Because you know that Bitcoin is bad numbers that don't ensure the return of goods and services. It's a simple reverse psychology trick. It's propaganda, it's scamming people.

While I agree with you that the message of OP is ill-fated and pessimistic over the Bitcoin, responding to the silly analysis and epistle is the best way to go about these kind of people. It is also good to note that, while everyone is entitled to their own opinions and interests, like that of OP, applying common sense is golden. This includes analysising and experimenting information before sharing such long-text of opinion that could be misleading.

Bitcoin is a decentralized system and unlike the centralized system of the fiat currencies like dollar, Bitcoin is not controlled by any entity, either by the private sector or the government. When you talk about speed of transactions and reliability, bitcoin is definitely faster and more reliable as you can make boundless transactions across the world within a blink of an eye. This specially makes bitcoin and cryptocurrency space more interesting to me. Also due to its cryptographic algorithms, bitcoin is far more secure to operate than the fiat currency and when you talk about transparency, bitcoin among other cryptocurrencies are recorded on the blockchain network which is accessible to other nodes and anyone else.

Although, the OP seems to already have a mindset before coming here which could include that he's been sent or employed to do so. But what OP may not realize is, he's only setting up the fiat currencies to be more exposed as there are many faults and misnomer around the centralized system of banking including artificial inflation which is caused by the unlimited printing of the dollar for the purpose of popularizing it against other currencies in the world.