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the coldest month of the year!!
fear to be mutilated for life
what the newspapers say, they only talk about "casseurs" - translate in english for me ;)

300,000 average anyway and it's going to go up. and government have really become crazy. it didn't happen since 40 years++
legendary
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I consider a movement is dying when the number of participant of this movement only decreases in time.

300,000 every week, x13 weeks, why do you say it decreases ? In some city it grow up, in others it decrease but but the average remains about the same. https://france-police.org/

Marseilles should wake up... It's the only city where they are not afraid against cops (with Toulouse maybe). This one show they don't care with macron : https://twitter.com/hypermestres/status/1094924872021626886 (you can find many others).

Acte 13: 240k
Acte 12: 290k
Acte 11: 330k
Acte 10: 350k
Acte 9:   360k

I haven't the numbers for before with this source (and comparing 2 different sources makes no sense)

I'm not ok with the movement dying, I'd rather have the police join forces with population and everything goes even stronger.

But that doesn't mean I'm blind at the fact that -33% in 5 weeks is a dying movement. A great, strong and incredible movement. But decreasing.
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I consider a movement is dying when the number of participant of this movement only decreases in time.

300,000 every week, x13 weeks, why do you say it decreases ? In some city it grow up, in others it decrease but but the average remains about the same. https://france-police.org/

Marseilles should wake up... It's the only city where they are not afraid against cops (with Toulouse maybe). This one show they don't care with macron : https://twitter.com/hypermestres/status/1094924872021626886 (you can find many others).
legendary
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I've heard about that, yes. Well, maybe it is time for the French revolution to really repeat itself. What a lovely manifestation of democracy; but at least we can scream and shout that socialism and communism are bad, right? Roll Eyes

Not sure I understood that bolded part.

Indeed a lovely democracy. France has been pointed at by multiples association including Amnisty International and Freedom of Press association as leaning towards dictatorial habits. Abuse of power threatening freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom to protest.
It's clearly a flawed democracy to the least...
legendary
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Terminated.
Pretty much all of the massive media network in Europe has been (at least temporarily) banned from reporting on this anymore.

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However, after 13 weeks (14 next Saturday) I can tell you that the protest movement is not about to stop.
I watched a livestream from an independent source the other day; it doesn't seem to be going in the direction of stopping, it seems to be growing. You shouldn't stop, so don't let it stop. The French people (among the people of many more countries) have been abused long enough.
Well tons of people hope it won't die. I go to the protests when I'm in France and people in the movement are so desperate I think the only way to stop them completely will be to arrest or kill them.

Sadly considering the number of dictatorial laws passed I think that's exactly what they intend to.

French government just passed a law to allow protest ban of selected people. It will allow them to ban the leaders of the movement one by one until there is really no one left :/
I've heard about that, yes. Well, maybe it is time for the French revolution to really repeat itself. What a lovely manifestation of democracy; but at least we can scream and shout that socialism and communism are bad, right? Roll Eyes
legendary
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What the fuck do you know about your own nation mOgliE? You were just saying this protest was dying down weeks ago. You have to pull your head out of your ass first to see what is going on around you in your own country.

What can I say TECSHARE? You don't care about facts... Protests is becoming tougher every week but it IS dying... Number of participants only decrease, support for the protest only decrease... I can't say it very differently:
I consider a movement is dying when the number of participant of this movement only decreases in time.

If you have a different definition of what is a "dying movement" then let me know...

Pretty much all of the massive media network in Europe has been (at least temporarily) banned from reporting on this anymore.

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However, after 13 weeks (14 next Saturday) I can tell you that the protest movement is not about to stop.
I watched a livestream from an independent source the other day; it doesn't seem to be going in the direction of stopping, it seems to be growing. You shouldn't stop, so don't let it stop. The French people (among the people of many more countries) have been abused long enough.

Well tons of people hope it won't die. I go to the protests when I'm in France and people in the movement are so desperate I think the only way to stop them completely will be to arrest or kill them.

Sadly considering the number of dictatorial laws passed I think that's exactly what they intend to.

French government just passed a law to allow protest ban of selected people. It will allow them to ban the leaders of the movement one by one until there is really no one left :/
legendary
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Terminated.
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On the internet and in the press everyone seems to be against us.
Ignore them, they are just kool-aid drinking sheep. Independent thinking does not exist for them.
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Thank you for saying that because we have many opponents here in France. On bitcointalk, in the French local board, I can see that the French (the French of bitcointalk) are against this movement, maybe they no longer live in France, maybe they watch TV, I don't know, some even say that we are too stupid...

On the internet and in the press everyone seems to be against us.

On the other hand, on the street, everyone I meet supports us.

I personally support what you are trying to do there. You have supporters all over the world. We see your government trying to use violence to suppress you. Just don't let the Socialists and Communists infiltrate or the movement is over. I saw it happen with my own eyes during Occupy Wallstreet.

I don't know why you're talking about socialists, we don't have the same definition that you I think.... Anyway, no one wants a political movement... except the government, it would allow it to stop everything by putting a puppet in power.
legendary
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Terminated.
Pretty much all of the massive media network in Europe has been (at least temporarily) banned from reporting on this anymore.

-snip-
However, after 13 weeks (14 next Saturday) I can tell you that the protest movement is not about to stop.
I watched a livestream from an independent source the other day; it doesn't seem to be going in the direction of stopping, it seems to be growing. You shouldn't stop, so don't let it stop. The French people (among the people of many more countries) have been abused long enough.
legendary
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What the fuck do you know about your own nation mOgliE? You were just saying this protest was dying down weeks ago. You have to pull your head out of your ass first to see what is going on around you in your own country.

He doesn't live in France.

What is he from Quebec? Even worse... he had no issues pretending he was.

Maybe he comes here a lot, I don't know.

All I can tell you is that here in France, no one thought it would last.
It's a spontaneous movement.

Now we are starting to be a little organized but we don't have a leader, even if some try.

However, after 13 weeks (14 next Saturday) I can tell you that the protest movement is not about to stop.

Just to take an example: We were asking for price reductions: Our president is increasing them. He mocks us, mutilates us with his police (80k cops every saturday). The whole press is against us (it belongs to the government and his friends), lies every day, there are scandals about the president.... There are so many things to say that it becomes hard to summarize. In any case, France is no longer a democracy, they are even passing a law prohibiting the demonstrations and registration of the political opponents.

In May we will still be there.

I personally support what you are trying to do there. You have supporters all over the world. We see your government trying to use violence to suppress you. Just don't let the Socialists and Communists infiltrate or the movement is over. I saw it happen with my own eyes during Occupy Wallstreet.
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What the fuck do you know about your own nation mOgliE? You were just saying this protest was dying down weeks ago. You have to pull your head out of your ass first to see what is going on around you in your own country.

He doesn't live in France.

What is he from Quebec? Even worse... he had no issues pretending he was.

Maybe he comes here a lot, I don't know.

All I can tell you is that here in France, no one thought it would last.
It's a spontaneous movement.

Now we are starting to be a little organized but we don't have a leader, even if some try.

However, after 13 weeks (14 next Saturday) I can tell you that the protest movement is not about to stop.

Just to take an example: We were asking for price reductions: Our president is increasing them. He mocks us, mutilates us with his police (80k cops every saturday). The whole press is against us (it belongs to the government and his friends), lies every day, there are scandals about the president.... There are so many things to say that it becomes hard to summarize. In any case, France is no longer a democracy, they are even passing a law prohibiting the demonstrations and registration of the political opponents.

In May we will still be there.
legendary
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What the fuck do you know about your own nation mOgliE? You were just saying this protest was dying down weeks ago. You have to pull your head out of your ass first to see what is going on around you in your own country.

He doesn't live in France.

What is he from Quebec? Even worse... he had no issues pretending he was.
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What the fuck do you know about your own nation mOgliE? You were just saying this protest was dying down weeks ago. You have to pull your head out of your ass first to see what is going on around you in your own country.

He doesn't live in France.
legendary
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You clearly have no idea of what's happening in France and what are the laws current government has passed.

Otherwise you wouldn't claim Macron has raised social spendings...

"The budget includes a €6bn cut in household tax bills while business taxes will fall by close to €20bn"

How is that not capitalism and free market driven? Reduced taxes and reduced wealthare...

https://www.presstv.com/DetailFr/2018/08/26/572330/France-Macron-Reforms



What the fuck do you know about your own nation mOgliE? You were just saying this protest was dying down weeks ago. You have to pull your head out of your ass first to see what is going on around you in your own country.
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Bobby Fischer was right
The only thing he understood is that our government is authoritarian.
For him authoritarian = communism
And he is not wrong in this comparison because:
Tribalism, Despotism, Feudalism, Colonialism, Distributism, Anarchism, Socialism, Communism and Totalitarianism are a form of authoritarian power ideology structure. (Basic forms of government). Modern examples only proves the point, we rarely encounter authoritarian government, that is not socialistic or communistic in nature, exception: religion based power structure.
Summing up, strong government, lack of political freedom and subordinance to the state, characterizes authoritarianism. Philosophical, social, and economic ideology determines what kind of "ism" authoritarianism is. In 9 out of 10 cases it is socialism or full commie (4me no difference).

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against green V revolution. The sooner people of EU realise that all this union is just a preludium to totalitarian world government, the better. However such revolution should be done with votes not force.
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The only thing he understood is that our government is authoritarian.

For him authoritarian = communism
legendary
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You clearly have no idea of what's happening in France and what are the laws current government has passed.

Otherwise you wouldn't claim Macron has raised social spendings...

"The budget includes a €6bn cut in household tax bills while business taxes will fall by close to €20bn"

How is that not capitalism and free market driven? Reduced taxes and reduced wealthare...

https://www.presstv.com/DetailFr/2018/08/26/572330/France-Macron-Reforms

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Macron is not a socialist (give me just one single "socialist" law or change he has made)
So those years he spent as a member of the socialist party was him playing double agent, learning the ways of his enemies?

I will give you more than 1 law. For instance, he not only is paying support to economic migrants, but also offered them money to leave the country. He increased social spending for education and support for people with disabilities.

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Socialism is NOT AT ALL similar to communism

Communism is a branch of socialism and even in their definitions it is clearly stated that many of the ideas are similar and interchangeable. One of the most striking similarities is the idea of collectivism. Fighting protesters with tear gas is very characteristic for a communist authoritarian government. Next they'll start shooting at them with rubber bullets and then there will be live ammo.

This is what they use against us, every week : https://www.bt-ag.ch/shop/eng/bt-launcher-gl06-cal-40mm

Here is what the Swiss merchant says to defend himself:
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In various media, accusations are being levelled at the company B&T AG in connection with the use of the LBD40 in France. These accusations falsely state that the munitions used, which are regarded as dangerous or unfit for use, were manufactured and delivered by B&T. Furthermore, the LBD40 launcher (B&T designation: GL06) has been assessed as being imprecise and dangerous.

To this end, we must assert that the munitions used in France were neither designed, manufactured nor delivered by B&T AG. Therefore, we cannot assess the risk potential of the munitions used in France. However, we must make it clear in this context  that  the munitions used in each case constitute a substantial proportion with regard to the action and precision.

B&T AG can confirm that the launchers used in France were produced by B&T AG and exported to France properly according to the legal regulations with an approved export license. Regarding the accusations that the device is imprecise and dangerous, we must assert that – as mentioned previously – the munitions used are primarily responsible for action and precision. To attribute poor precision and an increased risk of injury to the launcher is therefore technically wrong. Therefore, the launcher cannot fundamentally be assessed to be an imprecise and dangerous device.

B&T AG knows that the LBD40 or GL06 together with the SIR cartridges that we manufacture shows good precision and a low risk of injury. The SIR cartridge is, however, not being used in France. The risk potential of our SIR cartridge was assessed by Swiss Police forces and was approved for use. When used correctly (GL06/SIR), a low risk of injury can be assumed. Regarding these findings and the experience of the user that by using this system, individual aggressors (e.g. those throwing stones or Molotov cocktails) can be approached in a targeted way and thus a huge crowd of peaceful protestors is affected as little as possible, in recent years has led to the GL06 System with SIR impulse cartridge superseding or supplementing older products with higher risks of injury or more harmful effects for the masses, such as batons, rubber bullets and tear gas in the crowd control services.

To conclude, it must be asserted that the LBD40 (GL06), together with the SIR munitions manufactured by B&T, is a precise and effective product that comes with little risk of injury. When using munitions of thirdparty manufacturers, in some cases precision decreases and the risk of injury rises significantly.

This is what they are doing us every week :

legendary
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Macron is not a socialist (give me just one single "socialist" law or change he has made)
So those years he spent as a member of the socialist party was him playing double agent, learning the ways of his enemies?

I will give you more than 1 law. For instance, he not only is paying support to economic migrants, but also offered them money to leave the country. He increased social spending for education and support for people with disabilities.

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Socialism is NOT AT ALL similar to communism

Communism is a branch of socialism and even in their definitions it is clearly stated that many of the ideas are similar and interchangeable. One of the most striking similarities is the idea of collectivism. Fighting protesters with tear gas is very characteristic for a communist authoritarian government. Next they'll start shooting at them with rubber bullets and then there will be live ammo.
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That's because Macron is a socialist, which is very similar to being a communist.

That's the biggest shit that I've read since... I don't know.

Macron is not a socialist (give me just one single "socialist" law or change he has made)
Socialism is NOT AT ALL similar to communism

It's funny.
Maybe coolccoinz said that because Macron is killing his own people, like Stalin did ?

The French government has declared war on us, mutilate us, the media is silent and lying every week... welcome to France
Thank you also to all your countries that are also not telling the truth.
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