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Quote from: pedrog on July 21, 2016, 05:02:43 AM

Quote from: Totalreturnfund on July 21, 2016, 04:59:08 AM

I read some signature campaign about BTC mixer. I never try, but seems this is a good opportunuty for privacy. I would understand more about this kind of service and how BTC mixer are safe. Any Mixer user could explai me his experience and his suggestion?

When you steal coins or you want to buy some illegal stuff on the darknets you need to mix your coins.

Actually you can legally use it to avoid taxes legally. You can go through loopholes and also for privacy reasons since the blockchain is not private. A bigger private company might use it to protect their customers.

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Quote from: Totalreturnfund on July 21, 2016, 04:59:08 AM

I read some signature campaign about BTC mixer. I never try, but seems this is a good opportunuty for privacy. I would understand more about this kind of service and how BTC mixer are safe. Any Mixer user could explai me his experience and his suggestion?

It is only necessary for privacy to obscure illegal activities. Otherwise, you are trusting bitcoin to a third party for no good reason and paying a fee for the privilege.

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Quote from: Shiroslullaby on July 22, 2016, 09:56:29 AM

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I also use a mixer btw, when sending Bitcoins to my cold storage wallet

Not involved in any illegal activities

That is a good point about mixing coins before sending to cold storage.
Do you have a site which you recommend?
I'm planning on moving some stuff to a paper wallet and would consider mixing before I moved them to storage to make it harder for someone to trace.

I've always used Bitblender through Tor.

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Quote from: Shiroslullaby on July 22, 2016, 09:56:29 AM

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I also use a mixer btw, when sending Bitcoins to my cold storage wallet

Not involved in any illegal activities

That is a good point about mixing coins before sending to cold storage.
Do you have a site which you recommend?
I'm planning on moving some stuff to a paper wallet and would consider mixing before I moved them to storage to make it harder for someone to trace.

I know there's that one site bitmixer.io or whatever that I see in some users' signatures, you might want to look into them, but I personally have no idea if they're decent or not so you'll have to take what I say with a relative grain of salt.

Why you would want to send your Bitcoin through a mixer before you send it to cold storage is kind of strange to me, but I guess it works if you really don't want someone watching your funds.

Call me paranoid, but I like some anonymity for the addresses that have more than, say, 10 BTC on them

Who knows, laws might change, Bitcoin might become illegal, who knows?

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Quote from: Shiroslullaby on July 22, 2016, 09:56:29 AM

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I also use a mixer btw, when sending Bitcoins to my cold storage wallet

Not involved in any illegal activities

That is a good point about mixing coins before sending to cold storage.
Do you have a site which you recommend?
I'm planning on moving some stuff to a paper wallet and would consider mixing before I moved them to storage to make it harder for someone to trace.

I know there's that one site bitmixer.io or whatever that I see in some users' signatures, you might want to look into them, but I personally have no idea if they're decent or not so you'll have to take what I say with a relative grain of salt.

Why you would want to send your Bitcoin through a mixer before you send it to cold storage is kind of strange to me, but I guess it works if you really don't want someone watching your funds.

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I also use a mixer btw, when sending Bitcoins to my cold storage wallet

Not involved in any illegal activities

That is a good point about mixing coins before sending to cold storage.
Do you have a site which you recommend?
I'm planning on moving some stuff to a paper wallet and would consider mixing before I moved them to storage to make it harder for someone to trace.

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Quote from: gentlemand on July 22, 2016, 06:03:13 AM

Quote from: Posum578 on July 22, 2016, 05:55:08 AM

Much people who use mixer want to clean their dirty coin or another illegal stuf. So i think use mixer is bad idea if you want mix our clean coin cause you will get dirty coin.

Apart from those freshly mined, all coins are going to have a fraction of traceable dirt on them. It's a borderline certainty that we've all got Silk Road coins somewhere. That's why this blacklisting stuff is so silly.

This doesn't matter though, right? I mean the FBI still auctioned off those coins they seized from Ross and I'm sure it's not illegal to spendcoins that have been used for illegal purposes, if you did not partake in those illegal activities.

I also use a mixer btw, when sending Bitcoins to my cold storage wallet

Not involved in any illegal activities

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Quote from: Cuidler on July 22, 2016, 03:35:14 AM

Quote from: btcdevil on July 21, 2016, 08:16:31 AM

Only the person who are really involved in illegal activities like hacking others wallet and stealing coins or buying illegal products only dont wanted their address should be tracked other than this no other normal user will want to use mixer by paying high fees uselessly.

If only the ones really involved in illegal activities are using mixers, there would be no use of mixers at all as you get somebody else coins involved in illegal activities instead. So this would not help you to use mixers at all if you wanted to get some 'clean' coins not involved in illegal activities before.

You get somebody else coins because this is how mixers work, you send Bitcoin to mixer and you recieve another Bitcoin sent to mixer long ago by somebody else, there is no other magic involved. So I would adwise to use the coin mixers with caution, because you never know what coins you really get.

The purpose mixers are trying to serve is to try to increase the difficulty of people trying to track the coins. There is no reason for anyone to get clean coins since there is no use for it. A mixer simply mixes the coin with others and since they are mixed, no one can accurate match the destination address and the origin address. Nearly every coin you receive from services/exchanges are likely already tainted somehow.

Actually, if you want clean coins, you can find a service which buys the coins from the miners in exchange for the customer's coins. I can't recommend any since I haven't tried any of them.

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Quote from: Posum578 on July 22, 2016, 05:55:08 AM

Much people who use mixer want to clean their dirty coin or another illegal stuf. So i think use mixer is bad idea if you want mix our clean coin cause you will get dirty coin.

Apart from those freshly mined, all coins are going to have a fraction of traceable dirt on them. It's a borderline certainty that we've all got Silk Road coins somewhere. That's why this blacklisting stuff is so silly.

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Much people who use mixer want to clean their dirty coin or another illegal stuf. So i think use mixer is bad idea if you want mix our clean coin cause you will get dirty coin.

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There are plenty of reasons to use one, many of them legit. It seems like a shame you have to do such a thing to shield the use of your own coins for perfectly legal activities but there you go.

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Quote from: nururochac on July 22, 2016, 05:19:08 AM

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I for example use a mixer because of when I use a service to buy Bitcoin instantly, I want my coins to be out of sight as the coins that I have bought have my details attached to it.

And that's exactly the reason for me to use a mixing service as bitmixer to get fresh coins that I can send to my cold storage, or to spend it somewhere.

Means bitcoin's transaction is not that anonymous as what other people think? Is it really possible to identify the dox of the user using his coin? How could it be?

The problem is this :

If I buy and withdraw coins from the exchanges where I am fully verified at with all my details, the coins that I send to my wallets will have my details attached to it.

From there the exchange can follow these coins and even find out to where I am sending them to.

That's not even the worst part, the worst part is that the exchange in question can play all this information to the government if they force the exchange to do so.

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Quote from: BitHodler on July 21, 2016, 05:38:11 AM

I for example use a mixer because of when I use a service to buy Bitcoin instantly, I want my coins to be out of sight as the coins that I have bought have my details attached to it.

And that's exactly the reason for me to use a mixing service as bitmixer to get fresh coins that I can send to my cold storage, or to spend it somewhere.

Means bitcoin's transaction is not that anonymous as what other people think? Is it really possible to identify the dox of the user using his coin? How could it be?

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Solely for privacy reasons. Mixing my coins help me to maintain a certain level of anonymity that Bitcoin alone can't give me.

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Quote from: Totalreturnfund on July 21, 2016, 05:05:54 AM

Quote from: pedrog on July 21, 2016, 05:02:43 AM

Quote from: Totalreturnfund on July 21, 2016, 04:59:08 AM

I read some signature campaign about BTC mixer. I never try, but seems this is a good opportunuty for privacy. I would understand more about this kind of service and how BTC mixer are safe. Any Mixer user could explai me his experience and his suggestion?

When you steal coins or you want to buy some illegal stuff on the darknets you need to mix your coins.

So mixer should be used only for illegal stuff? Huh

No.If you receive funds and want to stay anonymous,you use mixer for that also.Though why would someone wants to stay anonymouse unless he does something illegal is beyond my comprehension

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Quote from: Decoded on July 22, 2016, 03:46:22 AM

Basically, if someone has access to your bitcoin address, they can see all your transactions. If they have a way to link your personal details (name, address) to your bitcoin address, they can in essence see all your transactions. A mixer basically sends all your money to another address you own. It does not make your money untraceable, but extremely hard to.

Hiding your address from some who want to track your transaction, it's the main point of using a mixer and sending to a various bitcoin address. and keep your privacy from everyone to check your address historical.

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I think because bitcoin transactions in open or transparent so when your name is already listed in a bitcoin address. then the mixer will be very helpful to make you into anonymous

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Basically, if someone has access to your bitcoin address, they can see all your transactions. If they have a way to link your personal details (name, address) to your bitcoin address, they can in essence see all your transactions. A mixer basically sends all your money to another address you own. It does not make your money untraceable, but extremely hard to.

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Quote from: Whosdaddy on July 22, 2016, 02:44:37 AM

Just as you said, mixers are good opportunity for privacy and that's just about what mixers is all about. It will definitely give you some relief from having anxiety about people stalking you. When your anonymity is your biggest concern then mixing services will ensure that with some additional layers.

But in practice, bitcoin mixer is widely used by criminals who get bitcoin from illegal activities and selling of contraband (drugs). And in my view, people rarely use bitcoin services mixer to protect their privacy. Because for people who have no problem why fear for stalking, but to criminals it is very dangerous because they can be traced to their identity and imprisoned. So privacy, just as an excuse.

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Quote from: btcdevil on July 21, 2016, 08:16:31 AM

Only the person who are really involved in illegal activities like hacking others wallet and stealing coins or buying illegal products only dont wanted their address should be tracked other than this no other normal user will want to use mixer by paying high fees uselessly.

If only the ones really involved in illegal activities are using mixers, there would be no use of mixers at all as you get somebody else coins involved in illegal activities instead. So this would not help you to use mixers at all if you wanted to get some 'clean' coins not involved in illegal activities before.

You get somebody else coins because this is how mixers work, you send Bitcoin to mixer and you recieve another Bitcoin sent to mixer long ago by somebody else, there is no other magic involved. So I would adwise to use the coin mixers with caution, because you never know what coins you really get.

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Quote from: Totalreturnfund on July 21, 2016, 04:59:08 AM

I read some signature campaign about BTC mixer. I never try, but seems this is a good opportunuty for privacy. I would understand more about this kind of service and how BTC mixer are safe. Any Mixer user could explai me his experience and his suggestion?

Just as you said, mixers are good opportunity for privacy and that's just about what mixers is all about. It will definitely give you some relief from having anxiety about people stalking you. When your anonymity is your biggest concern then mixing services will ensure that with some additional layers.

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