Topic: Why newbies involves in copying already treated topic (Read 618 times)

If anyone posts a very good post in the mega spam thread, those won't be read by many members and hence they will not get the required merits. Also mega spam thread are populated by the signature campaigns participants , most of them normally focus more on writing post, then reading them.
If you posted something which is already been posted a 100 times, even in a good quality, don't expect much merit for such post.

It is not laziness for sure instead it is to achieve a certain amountnof post needed when they join signature bounty campaign where they need to post a required number of post per week to get a  stake. Most of this kind of signature bounty campaign has no strict rules with the bounty manager even when it meas copy of pasting from the other users or posting irrelevant replies for not reading the content of the topic itself. This is why most of the bounty hunters resort to this kind of activities because they too have other alt accounts join to q different bounty campaign which also required the same rule on requiring them to post a minimum post per week to get stake.
Yes, there are others have changed already knowing that bounty hunting is one of the shittest opportunity to earn here due to a lot of scam projects.

Yep, that could be a reason — laziness. Some just change the words to a synonymous one but the arrangement of words is completely the same. They refuse to exert some efforts like read it first and then translate it based on their own understanding. Maybe they think that no one would notice that they just copied it but there are so many eyes watching in this forum and they are very wary when it comes to plagiarism.

But of course, not all newbies are like that. There are some who really commits themselves in being this forum and that reflects on their posts.

Sometimes it'll make more sense when accusation are given with examples, don't be afraid though as no one can actually harm you when you're doing the right thing or saying the truth. We're all human don't forget that. Subconsciously you might be drawn to meriting a certain users due to their posting quality. If time without numbers you have observe a certain users constantly delivery quality posts automatically you'll begin to see everything he writes as worth meriting (which most times it's) that's why most users tends to get merited always even when what they have written doesn't make any sense to you but it must have made sense that the merited.

Other times due to laziness of reviewing posting history, the meriter tends to over merit a certain post. You see them giving outrageous merit to the post. You might come up with an argument that that topic doesn't deserve such meriting but that's a subjective discussion since in their defense the OP is a quality user.

One thing is for your post to be worth meriting another is for it to be visible to meriters, don't blame them when posts are in boards which not many meriters visit nevertheless don't give up on delivery outstanding posts as the very day your account would be remember, you'll likely get rewarded for all at ones.

Most contributive and constructive posts don't even get merited enough if posters aren't in the clique of those reading it or their names don't ring a bell. A lot of posts get merited simply because of the usernames of the posters, and necessarily not because of what is posted. I have seen this a lot of times with low quality posts. And that reminds me of what Nullius posted concerning the lopsidedness of meriting posts (among other things) in this forum and I like the way he capitulated it variously here. I think the OP shares same sentiment and I believe that to be true too. Newbies suffer more of this merit drought. I sincerely hope that the merit sources here look in the way of these newbies who have quality posts and merit them.

Your post is fine, and has a valid point (even if people react negatively, it's ok). Just don't ask for merits, it's much like upvotes on Reddit, if you say 'pls upvote', people will flag you instead even if your content was good. It's just some psychological thing, I guess.

They are really forgetting the true essence of this forum if they continue on focusing about getting a higher rank instead of giving relevant and meaningful discussion or thoughts. Ranks are somehow important because there are newbies here that who have a prior knowledge about bitcoin and they are not completely ignorant and you will see in the quality of their post that they wants to learn more.


But rank's main use is for us to know who are the most trusted and most professional in terms of this forums. By that, we can ask for help on them if we want to know something that we don't know in this forum. But lower rank doesn't mean that you can't help other people with your opinions.

Member rank, for bounty? This rule can be added, it can reduce the amount of spamming. But this will cause many more problems, people will try to use different strategies to rank up the account to join the bounty. As a result, spamming will increase rather than decrease. Those who do bounty spamming on the bounty board, which does not affect the entire forum. And those who break the rules can't stay here long.

I am a newbie, let me be practical and realistic to the c above comments. You send a child to a college to acquire the best grade and the child found out that getting a best grade come with a lot of merit but yet he's not mentally prepared, what did you expect from the child,copy and paste information to get merit( cheating).
Every newbie need merit to boast there performance but it difficult getting merit but I have a good news for all newbie, take time out and study the forum, read other people comment, make your own research , with time you get merit.
Note somebody want to know how mentally balance you answer crpyto questions, get help from friend, with time you will smile home

This pretty much sums-up the forums take on plagiarism:

The key here is intent, although one may assume that the principal cause for plagiarism is that of cutting corners, and filling-in posts without having to give them much thought. Were I to have left out the quotes above, I figure that my intent would be read accordingly in an appeal ...

Maybe the lack of knowledge and experience in forum has caused beginner to try to do something that violates forum rules such as copy paste. At the same time they think that they have done a good thing because the thread or answer they wrote is of sufficient quality so that it will open up the possibility of getting services. But in the end they will only realize that what they have done has broken the rules and most of them realize when the account has been banned.

Some high ranking member who plead in meta because their account are banned sometime they dont realize that when they are beginner or when low ranking do copy paste or plagiarism. They are not even sure they have done it and will admit it when someone encounter their problem. I think everyone make mistake, but sometime they dont realize it.

If you are a newbie to our form most of their goals are

• earn money
• earn merit

To make successful on those things you must need to earn merits first which is one of the ways is to make a constructive post and next helping others or just making things unique that can help the forum. The problem is you are a newbie and you are not good at this thing so one of the ways is to make plagiarism to make it cool like you are a professional at the end of the day you think you can earn merit but after that, it's all plagiarism but we have other members which can find out if the thread or the post is just copy-paste from the website.

You cannot make the objective on earning if you do not meet the merits so you need to make hard work on it

This kind of thinking is needed by a beginner. Don't be too hasty in going after ranks. Sometimes many ways are done to get merit and reach rank quickly, such as copying articles and then posting on this forum, copying other people's answers and such. That is an instant and not original way, it violates the forum rules about plagiarism. contributing original topics from your own thinking will be better, it will give you broader insight and can learn well. Don't just focus on getting merit, because you will get merit from quality original posts.

there are beginners who do stupid and useless things and there are beginners who have broad and intelligent insight so that they don't copy other people's topics to get merit.

Beginners who only copy other people's topics because they don't read the rules in this forum.

I also don't blame beginners about doing plagiarism, but they also have to learn what is allowed and prohibited in this forum.

Creating a thread with your own ideas without copying other people's topics would be better, even though the thread created is just a general idea that has been asked a lot.

Increasing awareness about making a good contribution, maintaining the quality of posts will certainly have a positive impact going forward.

Same, I will see it if he was really that good in creating a post. Cause what do we know if he really is a news writer? lol jk. But yep we will see it in his previous post, if all his post are really a good written one. I will check if those post are not copied from somewhere. Its easy finding though, copy paste in google and the same article will pop up.

Believe me, people are entitled to their opinions. Besides, negative comments and critics are also needed in the quest of perfection. The point is in how you respond to the comments you get not minding the type.
It's of note that this menace from plagiarism is observed in the forum but then, noted victims are often treated squarely and once you've been there, your sure to learn a lesson.
Also, I associate this act to improper research and an eagerness to rank up at all cost in the least possible time.
And I trust the forum is better prepared to handle the issue. I would also love to add that a topic can not be completely treated as we are prone to new ideas everyday.
Stay safe.

I have the same attitude I am not into merit anymore I just want to make a habit of interacting and participating in discussion in fact I am not looking if I got a merit this week or not, by participating you can learn a lot, things like merit and rank  will come to those who wait, just do what the forum ask of you.

I know that because I have been through in that phase also being new in the forum before. Newcomers were being told that in joining bounty campaigns one could earn them instantly which is really not true or if only one could get lucky to join a project that will really pay.
Due to the fact that we are coming from different countries around the world and language becomes a barrier resorting to copy and pasting posts without also learning the forum rules that could result to banning in the future.
Not to all but maybe there are those existed user created new account for some reason like if they get ban and wish to continue to explore this forum without telling MODs of course to avoid getting ban again for violating ban evasion. This is just my opinion but in my case I do not care what rank I may have as long as I can enjoy to read and reply post. I have been here for 2 years and half I guess and have been seeing new users ranking up already to legendary but did not discourage me to leave in this forum for that small reason getting merit or ranking up issue. LOL
Yes, but think of it that without you or this kind of post we can never lift the forum through writing good post for the forum to your thread. This is why it is normal for others to react violently because they had been here and benefited the forum.
Well I could give you merits but there are more quality post that is deserving than this one. Besides, I am out of smerits because I do not hoard it and will eventually send it if I find post helpful that could be check for reference in the future.

The reason for the plagiarism of some beginners is because of lack of knowledge, they are newbies so they are not that so familiar about the community and to the crypto world as well. They know how important the merit so they will try to create topics that they know and they considered as useful but once no one appreciates it on no one gives him or her merit, they may feel some frustration or sadness because they gave effort on it but they don't receive even one merit. That can be one of the reasons why they ended up doing plagiarism because they see some posts given merits and they tend to copy ideas without giving credits.
Indeed, at the end of the day learning should be our priority, no need to rank up if you only want to gain knowledge. It's better to gain knowledge than to rank up but if you want to achieve something you should work hard for it.

Indeed. You don't need to please someone to give you merits when you started a topic or a content because you don't deserve it if you ask it for someone. You only deserve if someone willingly gives you merits because of your creativity, informative and quality content. It is the reason why other people copies and plagiarized post and topics to earn merits and ranked up faster, but it is impossible for other members to give them merits if they know they just copied it.

No need to tell people that they can give you merit when they found your post or your topic interesting or helpful.
They can do it whenever they want. It just seem that you are indirectly pleasing other members to give you merits. You can have it if you deserve it.
And... I think most of us came from that kind of member that will do the fastest way in order to gain.
We should just learn from not so good actions that we've done before. :p

Yeah, you can spot it by means of imagining how it sounds like while reading. If it sounds too formal then most probably it was a plagiarized post. The other method I use is by checking his post history . Inspect whether there is a pattern in his way of posting or not. For example, if his recent post was very long and clean but almost the rest of his previous posts are one liners then he might really be a plagiarist.

But of course you cannot purely rely on these methods because they are considered as assumptions only. You must still find the original source. Evidences won't lie.

Newbies are so lazy to learn more about cryptocurrency and blockchain. So they end up copying and plagiarizing the content or the topic, and they don't take credits to the author because they are desperate to earn merits and rank up in a short time for them to be able to join in signature campaigns. But we all know it is not going to happen because it takes a lot of time for us to rank up and we need to make our quality content for us to earn merits.

Writing and copying topics treated already is isn't bad here but with another style, another idea. A wise man says " copying same post from same source is plagiarism but copying post from different sources is research "
I have seen so many dump threads but was continued by new member asking for permission from the former poster if they should continue. Topics here is already said before but how contributing and more quality could you deliver. That's the essence.
Actually, no body brings you down here. Try as much as you can to deliver quality and contributing posts to deserve merit. Success Buddy

I think the most common reason is those newbies are here only to get merits asap, maybe they don't realize yet that it wouldn't work here cause they haven't read the threads for newbies. They haven't realize yet that forum members will know if the post is a plagiarize one or a well research one.

There are newbies here who are really good too, and members will know it by the way they compose their ideas and topics, I don't know but as a reader I somehow know if a post really comes from the OP or from an article, cause there's a written tone when a topic comes straigth from a crypto news article, wikipedia, etc.

Yeah i appreciate everyone for your suggestions and encouragement towards my development,
I promise this forum that your encouragement can not depart on me.
It's obvious that no one is island of knowledge
From all the comments I learnt things which I can never forget.
I appreciate everyone again.
Thanks.

The answer to your question is obvious why newbies copy already treated topic is because newbies are still learning the journey they choose to go on. Newbies doesn't have much knowledge about the field so that is why they are called newbies. Everyone who starts on a new journey will have to start from the beginning even the experts in other field would have to learn first. Some newbies will copy just to earn merita and most likely will get banned because of plagiarism. l

When someone copy some content from the existing article or previous post to gain merits, they may get merit but surely their account will be banned permanently so all their efforts in copy-pasting will be ruined sooner or later, but not every newbies are doing the same thing some are trying to learn while others learn very quickly that is the difference.Nothing is stopping you from learning and also you can report if you found someone plagiarising.

If the post is the first one and coming from a newbie or low rank we should be very careful cause theres really a high tendency that the user copy paste it. Also we can feel if the user are saying authentic or if its too good enough, what we can do is compared his previous post to his good post if the way he construct somehow not match then chances that he copied it.

How do you check by the way if the post are copy paste? Ranking is really the goal of some for bounty even others work will be copied just to get merits.

I don't want to be hypocrite I used to be one of them I am in a hurry to rank because I want to join in good bounty that require you to rank at least in a junior member, but after having a newbie rank for a long time i did realize that I need to contribute healthy topics and forget about this  merit for a while and let things go on it's course.

That’s happened to me once or twice that I’m aware of. It’s no big deal, but it brings along two side effects:
-   I normally now check first-timer posts more thoroughly.
-   That, laterally, plays against other legit Newbies, since one looks at posts with more caution, and perhaps waits for a later occasion to ratify a trend in posting (and not just a one-off).

Of course the above is not clockwork, and things often depend on the available time one has and the spirit on is in at a given moment in time (should not be that much of an issue- it took me a month and a half to get my first merit here, so there’s that …).

Naturally, one will not always get it right, as can be seen here (does not apply to Newbies strictly):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendban
 

Most of newbies you mentioned above are created to cheating on a campaign
So it is not surprising if they doing plagiarism to gain some merit for taking more rewards from the campaign which they follow

As far I know some newbies also registered here are to solving technical issues they faced, pure to learn cryptocurrencies, and not focusing on how to rank up. These kinds of newbie have had a warm welcome from old members and of course merit easily come to them.

You can still learn to sophisticate that which you knew, learning is prognosis you can't learn it all, the topic about merit, is subjectary, I can like you post, maybe because of something I or anyone digest poor quality then wouldn't merit it, but I can hate your post -hating what the post televised- but the quality is pure bliss, then I can merit.
Your meriter shouldn't be like you,

I experienced giving merit to a newbie that I thought created a very good post only to find out later that the guy only copy and paste an existing article from one article site, but it was too late, since then I always check if the posts are copy-paste, and remind them to include the source, some newbies are in a hurry to rank up to the point of using other people's work.

Plagiarized contents are really a curse for this forum and users.Newbies are making these because they think they are useless and they don't think that if we do something good members will support me fully and I will algo get a higher rank.
Another reason can be that they are altcoin of other users and using them to spam.

By the End. Copy Paste isn't allowed and it has a higher punishment.So never try this.

There might be some newbies that is like this but we can't really judge them if it is their intention.

In my opinion, they are not newbies if they already have an idea or just wanted to join  campaign here. I guess they are just alt account of some members here wanted to earn more from joining the campaigns.

Since they are newbie they probably think that they have an excuse to do some mistake here in the forum.

Is only careful readers will understand the text,
The text is very comprehensive, so before you justify me try to understand the topic sentence.
Am not here to create room for negative argument rather to portray my observation in the forum.

But my opinion should not prevent anyone who want to credit me good,
Because am here to acquire knowledge not to disregard anyone because no one is master of wisdom.

They may easily get merit but the downside of it is getting banned if detected that they plagiarized their posts.  Is it worth it?


They may enjoy the merit of their other account but once exposed they will get negative reputation which by then render their account banned from participating in most of the BTC sig campaigns.  Aside from that, if you are a quality poster, even without circles of friends, you can easily gain merit.


I would love to post negative and "bring you down" but reading your   post made me to dizzy to "bring you down".

If they wanted to learn, they could obtain a university degree get a job with a good salary.
the majority wanted to earn quickly, and since there are no educational requirements for profit, they want to get merits to earn money.
Plagiarism is the fastest way to get these points because they are high-quality posts and may get merit fast.

Writing high-quality writing requires long hours of thinking and ideas. So, instead of thinking and spending hours working hard, you can steal one of these posts.

Fear and panic are the second reason for not writing high-quality posts. They are either afraid of wasting hours and not getting points or are terrified that their ideas are not appreciated well.

https://sites.google.com/site/helpstopplagiarism/summary

well if they do this the account use to post that thread will be ban by moderator so all of the text copying from original content will be wasted.

When the account is already ban, they will learn now that copying original article is a big mistake and will not  help them to earn even single merits for plagiarism .

Its easy to know such a rules if they are searching for bitcoin talk rules before posting.

I advise him to read following threads in order to better express his ideas

• Bitcointalk posting etiquette
• Make your topic title, posts more attractive

Topic title, idea organization, topic sentence are very important to attract readers.
Good grammartical and vocabulary usages help to represent what writers want to express.

That's what didn't come to my mind.

What came to my mind is that those newbies that plagiarized contents are part of the link/website where other members will look for the exact link and tell that they've missed adding it as a source.

It's like the hidden shill for newbies.

We refer for the rank newbie because they are new into this forum and some of them do not have enough knowledge and are just into the process of learning so we cannot blame them, but still, there are some members will motivate and guide them to the proper way of creating a thread.

Also why it looks like you are getting mad because someone gets merit, there are some people that are focusing to the bounties and that's why they don't have too much merit but still, they can post to the other board too so in some chance they can earn merit through that.

Better to guide them.

Yes, I’m having a hard time trying to make head or tails from the OP, besides the fact that the thread title is not reflected in the post’s body content depict. We should make a clear point in order to debate around it, without having to guess the intent (just to keep everybody on the same page).

Nice lapsus plumae ….

Why? is a big question.

I was recommended this forum from a friend of mine when I wanted to gain knowledge about Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. Till date this forum and its members have always helped me with all my queries.

I have been here for more than a year now but I still cannot say I have complete knowledge about this technology. It is so vast yet unique. If you are here for learning purpose then my recommendation to every newbie is that it is the best forum in crypto universe.

If you want to earn cryptocurrencies here, you certainly can but first understand the concept and grow within the forum by obtaining Merits. Without the proper understanding no one will hire you or give you the amount that you deserve. Learn first and then earn.

PS - I have a stable earning from other sources. I am here only to learn.

Hello. Negative post "to bring you down" here: No offense, but I honestly could barely understand what you're trying to say. Please learn to use commas: " , "[1].

But anyway, if I understand what you're trying to say after reading it like 5 times: a person halving a "newbie" rank doesn't automatically mean that the person actually knows nothing about Bitcoin. Rank only helps us determine how long a certain person has been here, and how much has he/she contributed throughout his/her time here.

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[1] https://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/commas.asp

Damnit. No I'm not changing that error.

It is what they choose at beginnings. Newbies are free to choose the journey they will go. Choose wrong at beginnings and do neither change nor upgrade themselves.
Plagiarism is stealing ideas and works of the others. On the forum, account restriction for plagiarism is permanent ban. Users do plagiarism won't get rich.
To be honest, I feel difficult to catch your ideas.  
It is a bad way to try earning merit.

Why will many react to your post negatively?

I think everyone gets a bit of a rush when they get a merit, I can't really comment on the ranks because I'm already at the top but I don't know if people are focusing too much on ranks and merits and less on providing discussion, insight and quality... If you're active here and interested in the currency you should be able to earn no matter (if you have any posts of good quality).

It's obvious that some newbies are interested in joining campaign instead of studying to know or to learn the rudiments of making a quality post on their own.
Many begginers are involves in plagiarism in order to earn merits and speed up activities to join  quick campaign that will enrich them.
It come to my understanding through my observations that many newbies in the forum are already existing member of the forum because a begginer who has no base find it difficult to be merited, why someone that created account today before three day will be merited without quality post.
I know vividly that many will react to this post negatively in order to bring me down.

Am only here to learn things I don't know
And anyone who like me can merit me when I make a post.