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legendary
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March 14, 2016, 06:24:14 PM
I don't think they can just print money. There has to be something behind them. Something to back them up. Like gold or something.
Ignorant answer. In reality, these fiat currencies are backed by... nothing. There aren't enough goods to sate the value of the paper money if everyone decides to "cash out" their finances for gold. There isn't enough gold. They just continue printing and printing.

Its just lack of being misinformed lol.

Most people think they see it as backed by gold or something as mentioned. When the reality is what you mentioned with how fiat operates.

People just need to see the bigger diagram and google how the treasury, irs, and how issuing money works lol.
sr. member
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March 14, 2016, 04:07:21 PM
I don't think they can just print money. There has to be something behind them. Something to back them up. Like gold or something.
Ignorant answer. In reality, these fiat currencies are backed by... nothing. There aren't enough goods to sate the value of the paper money if everyone decides to "cash out" their finances for gold. There isn't enough gold. They just continue printing and printing.
Nothing backs it indeed. Fiat is not backed by gold anymore. They can create money by pressing on a button  Smiley. Imagine a coin with zero mining difficulty that has consesus with billions of people, mining is restricted by violence to make only a select group of people able to create new coins. As crazy as that sounds its fiat.

hero member
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March 14, 2016, 03:35:28 PM
Lol yes it would be more direct to use them, This overall is illegal though.
legendary
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March 14, 2016, 01:35:53 PM
without Backup of Gold reserve government print Dollar then Currency value goes down and inflation increase.

Even with the back up of gold reserves, the currency will still devalue as too many notes are printed. You cannot exchange them for gold.

Huh? Gold reserve means that they only could print as much money as the gold they had in reserves was worth. It was backed by the gold. Only when the dropped that connection they could start to print like they wished.

As far as I am aware of Nixon declared the end of  Bretton Woods System in 1971 because the US already printed and exported too much of it dollars around the world.  Charles de Gaulle in 1965 was one the first who critized that and exchanged France's dollar reserves for gold.More and more countries asked for exchanging USD for gold over the next years.The rest is history.
So Rostadom is having a point here. The problem is you can not look in the vaults how much gold banks have and how much paper money is in circulation.
That's the beauty of Bitcoin and it's public blockchain. Smiley
legendary
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March 14, 2016, 01:13:32 PM
without Backup of Gold reserve government print Dollar then Currency value goes down and inflation increase.

Even with the back up of gold reserves, the currency will still devalue as too many notes are printed. You cannot exchange them for gold.

Huh? Gold reserve means that they only could print as much money as the gold they had in reserves was worth. It was backed by the gold. Only when the dropped that connection they could start to print like they wished.
hero member
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March 14, 2016, 11:18:32 AM
without Backup of Gold reserve government print Dollar then Currency value goes down and inflation increase.

Even with the back up of gold reserves, the currency will still devalue as too many notes are printed. You cannot exchange them for gold.
newbie
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March 01, 2016, 04:29:04 AM
without Backup of Gold reserve government print Dollar then Currency value goes down and inflation increase.
legendary
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February 29, 2016, 02:47:12 PM
Printing more dollars would seem to benefit bitcoin.  If the value of the dollar goes down, then bitcoin relative to the dollar must go up, obviously.

Which goes back to the inflation rate per year factor like most fiat money.

The question is whats the % on the current consumers rate vs bitcoin.

Current consumer inflation rate is 1.6% per year fiat vs Bitcoin 8%. If bitcoin lower to 1.6% thats some serious stuff.
hero member
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February 29, 2016, 02:20:26 PM
Printing more dollars would seem to benefit bitcoin.  If the value of the dollar goes down, then bitcoin relative to the dollar must go up, obviously.
legendary
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casinosblockchain.io
February 29, 2016, 09:29:20 AM
Printing of dollars can be done by the government. If a government prints its without keeping as backup soon the value of the dollars get reduced. So to avoid such situation none of the government get into such activities.
newbie
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February 29, 2016, 06:59:05 AM
and now with NIRP people will start withdrawing their cash from the banks. The implications of all of this is well known to banksters, they know what they're doing, they just want chaos
copper member
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Spear the bees
February 28, 2016, 09:06:48 PM
I don't think they can just print money. There has to be something behind them. Something to back them up. Like gold or something.
Ignorant answer. In reality, these fiat currencies are backed by... nothing. There aren't enough goods to sate the value of the paper money if everyone decides to "cash out" their finances for gold. There isn't enough gold. They just continue printing and printing.
sr. member
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Invulner
February 27, 2016, 10:13:31 PM
Because, if you keep printing dollars the currency will get inflated. Then there will be wars, etc.

There is only going to be a certain number of goods, but you can print currency infinitely.
Pab
legendary
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February 27, 2016, 10:09:48 PM
I remember tme whan i was paying 60000 for packet of cigarettes i have milions sometimes in my jeans  happy time money have been worth nothing
You will spend much more on paint and paper than you will print
legendary
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February 27, 2016, 05:46:07 PM


End game for printing money; Gresham's law sets in, everyone saves the "good" money and gets rid of the "bad" (in this case, the one which lost just about all its value), nobody wants the "bad" money anymore since it buys virtually nothing even at large amounts.  Same thing happened in Germany last century, as well as other places.  Leads to instability, to put it lightly; loss of faith in the bloodline of the nation is a loss of faith in the nation itself.

Printing dollars works for a little while.  Then it doesn't work at all.  And by that I mean, over a long-term period, it doesn't work at all, as it leads to an overall loss.  Lots of people get affected by this transfer from the individual to the collective (in this case the state), particularly those who don't take interest in these matters.  Poverty skyrockets, as well as crime, and so forth; just imagine a situation where your money doesn't buy you anything and businesses (the organized problem-solvers) flee; it's pretty severe.  In the end it manages to concentrate a large portion of wealth into the central planners, which acts similarly to an addictive drug preventing them from stopping that which is harmful to all.  You're pretty much left with a dictatorship, e.g. Nazi Germany, which is little more than the flames waving over the nation as it burns down to embers (whereupon it can start over.)

Borrowing can help retain the value of the national currency, which doesn't have the same effect of watering down the printed currency since Joe Schmoe keeps his purchasing power (at least more of it than he would've with printing money alone), but you are still expected to pay back what you owe at some point down the line.  Once the people of the borrowed-from nation start to buckle under some sort of economic turmoil and expect back what's rightfully theirs (plus interest), conflict ensues (esp. if the borrowing nation cannot pay back at all): so long stability and prosperity.  In the case of two ~equally strong nations, this can incite war; in the case of one nation being considerably stronger than the other, this can cause the weaker state to become subjugate to the stronger state (the EU/Germany and Greece being one such example.)  It's even possible for this conflict to occur within the nation itself, e.g. the nation's constituents and its own banks, and between businesses.  It's possible between any two organizations.

Neither of them are preferable, IMO.  It's better to just not spend more than what you have; it's better to have savings just in case, rather than borrowing or printing every time something goes wrong--imagine living that type of lifestyle in one's own household, it becomes apparent quick why it doesn't work out.  But so long as one nation has the opportunity and willingness to get an early and ephemeral lead of power and influence over the other nations, it's a trend that will likely continue, for other nations must follow suit lest they be left to buckle under the influence of another.  So everyone's in this nasty spiral of borrow and print to spend spend spend, gotta beat the other guys.
sr. member
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February 27, 2016, 01:56:03 PM
How more dollars you print how less they got worth. Some country's have fiat totally worthless because they started printing more and more each day.

Yes inflation will make the currency less and less worthy. Investors would abandon your currency because it's not stable.
Then you have short term gain, but a long term lose.
hero member
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February 27, 2016, 01:26:20 PM
How more dollars you print how less they got worth. Some country's have fiat totally worthless because they started printing more and more each day.
legendary
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February 27, 2016, 01:23:15 PM
If you print more dollars, people will lose confidence in the money, so the money will be useless.
sr. member
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February 14, 2016, 11:39:29 AM
I don't think they can just print money. There has to be something behind them. Something to back them up. Like gold or something.

No there is nothing. They can just print it if they want. The only thing backing them is the trust of the markets in the USA system that's all. No gold or anything like that.
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February 14, 2016, 11:34:26 AM
I don't think they can just print money. There has to be something behind them. Something to back them up. Like gold or something.
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