Topic: Why some promising newbies fail in the forum. (Read 773 times)
These are some great suggestions for newbies to make the best of their time on this forum. I’m new here. So, thanks for this!
Useful information.... I'm happy to have come across this post. It will go a long way to helping me grow positively on this platform.
Hello @Okayreke, Looks like you are still very new here, even though your account was registered since March 23, 2022, but if look at the number of posts (2), you need to study and read a lot to improve your knowledge in forums.@Okayreke, no need to quote the entire content of the post written by Op, just use this format to make it look neater and not fill the page content.
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Useful information.... I'm happy to have come across this post. It will go a long way to helping me grow positively on this platform.
Hope you can understand.
I really appreciate this thread. Every point you made seems valid and it would be very helpful to newbies. I want to add that one of the reasons why newbies fail is because some of the rules in this forum are unwritten and the written ones are not in a single document. You would find these rules in different thread discussions. Locating these rules sometimes is very difficult and complicated. Most times these newbies are unaware of some rules which make them victims since ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
This is where Newbie are required not to be lazy to read and ask questions, Newbie who have just joined the forum still need guidance so that they understand everything that must be obeyed in the forum. They can also ask more senior users here about what they don't know, such as written or unwritten forum rules.Respect for juniors is still very strong and they (Seniors) will always take the time to explain at length to their juniors so they can understand all the rules that must be obeyed.
This thread is also not to be missed Newbies who want to continue to exist in the forum, every point is still very helpful. Regarding forum rules, you can directly visit here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7955645
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I have already learned a lot from this thread as I hope to continue this way as well as learn with great integrity. Thank you OP for the guid.
Over Desirous To Grow is actually a two-edged sword. On one side, lies the motivation that pushes the newbie to think and research on topics to write about. Because they want to share the knowledge. It pushes new newbie to seek for ways to contribute to the forum. However, when these efforts don't yield the desired results that's when you see the other side of the sword. They lose their motivation quickly and if they don't become shitposters, they may engage in activities that are frowned upon by the forum, or they just go ahead to abandon the forum entirely.
this is a major challenge that must be overcome. The first topic written will not always produce results. Sometimes ignored or not getting merit as a reward for writing.if this happens, then as a new member who really wants to grow, must keep writing and contributing.
I also experienced this at first, but didn't give up on the situation and continued to do what I could.
This is because some people don't want to waste their merits on someone who will eventually get banned for plagiarism or cheating. But once you are trusted that you won't be banned easily, merits will start coming your way.
So newbies shouldn't feel demotivated when their posts are not getting good amounts of merits.
Over Desirous To Grow is actually a two-edged sword. On one side, lies the motivation that pushes the newbie to think and research on topics to write about. Because they want to share the knowledge. It pushes new newbie to seek for ways to contribute to the forum. However, when these efforts don't yield the desired results that's when you see the other side of the sword. They lose their motivation quickly and if they don't become shitposters, they may engage in activities that are frowned upon by the forum, or they just go ahead to abandon the forum entirely.
this is a major challenge that must be overcome. The first topic written will not always produce results. Sometimes ignored or not getting merit as a reward for writing.if this happens, then as a new member who really wants to grow, must keep writing and contributing.
I also experienced this at first, but didn't give up on the situation and continued to do what I could.
So many factors could make one a failure on bitcointalk forum especially when one is a Newbie. A good number of
these is being listed here for our timely consideration especially for we, Newbies. Yes, it is worth the while for Newbies to consider their steps and learn lessons from matured forum members than try harder to outsmart others instead. So that, being promising as it were will never again be placed side by side with failure. Newbies, we are, so we should walk with caution. We should always walk a step first with one leg into the river to test its deepness than than to walk in and get drown.
these is being listed here for our timely consideration especially for we, Newbies. Yes, it is worth the while for Newbies to consider their steps and learn lessons from matured forum members than try harder to outsmart others instead. So that, being promising as it were will never again be placed side by side with failure. Newbies, we are, so we should walk with caution. We should always walk a step first with one leg into the river to test its deepness than than to walk in and get drown.
I really appreciate this thread. Every point you made seems valid and it would be very helpful to newbies. I want to add that one of the reasons why newbies fail is because some of the rules in this forum are unwritten and the written ones are not in a single document. You would find these rules in different thread discussions. Locating these rules sometimes is very difficult and complicated. Most times these newbies are unaware of some rules which make them victims since ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
Good to understand your view about this. But to say and as I always say, there are no strong rules in this forum. Anyone who doesn't intend to cheat and who has good morales will be successful in this forum. Plagiarism is not acceptable and Plagiarism is the highest rule I have seen in the forum. Saying that there is not single thread of rules, if you can be able to read this Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ, you are good to go.
I think the 'strong rules' in this forum are the ones that are obvious and unspoken, like the natural laws of life. If you think that you are cheating your way in the system by plagiarizing or spamming, then you are putting yourself in a situation where your future is guaranteed- which is to be banned by the moderators.
Most of the problems of newbies stem from the fact that they visit this forum with only one thing in their minds- which is to earn profit. While this kind of mindset is not entirely negative and bad, what makes it worse for newbies is they fail to contribute to this forum which only leads to a number of spams.
I want to add that one of the reasons why newbies fail is because some of the rules in this forum are unwritten and the written ones are not in a single document. You would find these rules in different thread discussions. Locating these rules sometimes is very difficult and complicated. Most times these newbies are unaware of some rules which make them victims since ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
You have voiced out your own points, and they are not incorrect, the rules are not the way you want it because this forum doesn't have rigid rules, many of it is bendsome and applies delicately different per case. Theymos said, and i quote:I actively disbelieve in the idea of a "rule of law" where hard rules exist and are strictly applied across the board as if we're all robots. Every case should be considered individually in the context of the forum's mission.
If the rules are to be made hard and officially written, it will not work in accordance with the 'forum's mission', because every case will be considered exactly how it is written in the rules rather than individually. Locating the rules is not very difficult, virtually any violation that can cause a problem for the member can be seen here (1), it is unofficial doesn't mean it is hard to locate, but rather because of how it applies differently to every case.
I really appreciate this thread. Every point you made seems valid and it would be very helpful to newbies. I want to add that one of the reasons why newbies fail is because some of the rules in this forum are unwritten and the written ones are not in a single document. You would find these rules in different thread discussions. Locating these rules sometimes is very difficult and complicated. Most times these newbies are unaware of some rules which make them victims since ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
Good to understand your view about this. But to say and as I always say, there are no strong rules in this forum. Anyone who doesn't intend to cheat and who has good morales will be successful in this forum. Plagiarism is not acceptable and Plagiarism is the highest rule I have seen in the forum. Saying that there is not single thread of rules, if you can be able to read this Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ, you are good to go.
1. Over Desirous To Grow:
Growth is a natural tendency, every human wants to grow in any organisation they find themselves. In as much as the aspiration to grow is good, pursuing same desperately may lead one to engage in unethical behaviours. You will notice some newbies, all they post is; How to earn merits, How to rank up very fast and so on. These sets of over desirous newbies are the ones that can involve in merit buying and selling, sharing merits with alts and when these acts are discovered, it might be the end of the promising newbie.
I really appreciate this thread. Every point you made seems valid and it would be very helpful to newbies. I want to add that one of the reasons why newbies fail is because some of the rules in this forum are unwritten and the written ones are not in a single document. You would find these rules in different thread discussions. Locating these rules sometimes is very difficult and complicated. Most times these newbies are unaware of some rules which make them victims since ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
...Merit is not a measure of success, it's just a fake internet point.
All you said above is correct and was earlier pointed out by Welsh when he said that this is a discussion forum, anyone can decide to leave anytime. But I want to slightly differ with you that merit is a fake internet point and not a measure of success. Merit could be fake as you said, but it is the major measure of success in this forum. We cannot deny this fact.
If you have 3000+ activity but with 2 merits and another user has 3000 activity with 5000 merits, there is no how I will give you attention more than the other user.
Facebook has likes and quality posts has more likes. There is no how a post with 2 up_votes and 100 down-votes will be quality than a post with 2000 up votes and no down vote on reddit.
So, in this forum, there's no justification to disregard merit as a sign of success.
not every thread you see is worth to translation, if you want to translate is basically individuals task base on the love you have for your locale community, because this types of thread might been discussed in some locale community some years ago but never brought to the English community for general view.
It is true that not all threads needs translation to local languages, and the purpose of making this thread is to raise good newbies and not to be translated. But, this topic is not like some generic topics that occur everywhere in the forum, even if it has been discussed before, which I doubt, it is not discussed as a compilation above. Maybe the individual points were discussed separately. 
I wouldn't say that anyone who failed to achieve a high rank or isn't progressing in their rank or simply left the forum has failed. This forum is not a career, it's a place to learn. Maybe a new user decided to learn from other sources, or they decided to stop being involved with Bitcoin and cryptocurrency altogether. Merit is not a measure of success, it's just a fake internet point.
Each of those sentences you made has wisdom embedded in it. Collectively, the wisdom in them should make a Solomon green with envy. Apt and spot on, were what my lips uttered. Your last sentence is a double bomb!I guess the only reason users bemoan lack of merit is because it pushes them to rank up and get higher pay based on that. So, they think it's a kind of meritorious endorsement. Anyone who isn't getting their posts merited is judged a "not too good a poster" or not a constructive poster; and no one wants to be called a failure. Most campaign managers make the situation worse by demanding it as an enrollment requirement into their campaigns.
Good points, these are some of the factors that hinders a members growth if not all. Plagiarism and negative trust are the major factors that leads to failure in the forum prematurely. Alot of newbies neglect plagiarism rules and so they face the consequences. When an account is tagged with a negative trust it is believed that they've engaged in a criminal act before and as for me i see them as an ex convict and don't ever want to associate with them in any way.
If I should advice every local board need too translate this into them local languages and pin it down,
not every thread you see is worth to translation, if you want to translate is basically individuals task base on the love you have for your locale community, because this types of thread might been discussed in some locale community some years ago but never brought to the English community for general view, if topic impressed you, check your locale boards first if such has been discussed before translating it. And in addition obtain permission from the [op] original poster, before the commencement of the translation.
I wouldn't say that anyone who failed to achieve a high rank or isn't progressing in their rank or simply left the forum has failed. This forum is not a career, it's a place to learn. Maybe a new user decided to learn from other sources, or they decided to stop being involved with Bitcoin and cryptocurrency altogether. Merit is not a measure of success, it's just a fake internet point.
If I should advice every local board need too translate this into them local languages and pin it down, so as,any newbie incoming will see this first as they want too relate with he's kr her local board.
What can I say?It could also be that the energy of the forum has waxed cold. The newbies of today are money anxious rather than knowledge.
I tell you, there is hardly any newbie that won't wish to stay the path and gets to earn money too. They obviously would put effort at the initial, trying to se how quick they could fly but unfortunately, the system in bitcointalm is designed to ensure forum decorum rather than keeping users that would want to bend the system. Hence, you find users not appreciating posts the way OP expects, deleted posts, activity series and all. Playing a role in the reorientation of the newbie and that could make them give up.
Reverse this as a newbie and you might have a good chance.
If I should advice every local board need too translate this into them local languages and pin it down, so as,any newbie incoming will see this first as they want too relate with he's kr her local board.
What can I say?It could be that I came too late because I have read where some certain posts are pinned or translated to local boards. I don't really know the process that makes it happen.
It could also be that the energy of the forum has waxed cold. The newbies of today are money anxious rather than knowledge. Could it be that newbies already know the system before joining the system. The later is not wholly true because many newbies are banned in the forum.
Apart from this, a thread of mine which I feel newbies need to read is Some avoidable forum mistakes of Newbies
If I should advice every local board need too translate this into them local languages and pin it down, so as,any newbie incoming will see this first as they want too relate with he's kr her local board.
A great summary of how it should be done for newbies, as you'll always get what you work for, working both smart and hard really pays off.
Hopefully newbies and some recalcitrant members get to read and see this and keep them at their finger tips, this will sure be a good guide if you can learn to practicalize em! Good content OP!
A great summary of how it should be done for newbies, as you'll always get what you work for, working both smart and hard really pays off.
Hopefully newbies and some recalcitrant members get to read and see this and keep them at their finger tips, this will sure be a good guide if you can learn to practicalize em! Good content OP!
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