Why some promising newbies fail in the forum. - page 2.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on April 23, 2022, 05:42:51 PM

Just exactly what i did. But thanks OP for sharing all of these as they may be very vital to make them aware and never fail in the forum. For newbies, its always an edge if you keep learning everyday through research and experience. Since you will never come to fully understand all of these just by mere reading. But when you come to experience failure, hopefully you will learn to figure out and reflect on these.

That is my aim, It has been my desire to contribute in shaping or grooming newbies that will have the forum culture, be beneficial to the forum and its users. I have created similar guides before and only newbies that are interested to learn will research for them. Many good topics are not pined for easy accessibility though. An honest newbie that loves reading will no doubt be ahead of his colleagues.

Quote from: Markinzo on April 23, 2022, 05:01:54 AM

The OP is one i must applaud for taking out time to draft down such informations at least for the benefit of the newbie's and prospective ones.

In all what am saying is, certain cases should be well investigated and scrutinized before a negative trust tag, though some might worth it but a very few in my opinion might not be.

Such victimization could demoralized a user moral and interest to give his/her best in the forum.

Everyone speaks as it affects him. We know that some negative tags are not worth it and that is why there is the word "legitimate red tag". However, I have also seen some DT members create thread to question the genuineness of some negative trust given members by their fellow DT colleagues.

For your case, I see that you have a negative tag because of 1xbit. I see you no longer wear their signature, consider to Pm JollyGood, give reasons for him to untag you, he might consider.

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Quote from: KingsDen on April 23, 2022, 03:58:48 PM

Thank you so much. I am glad you can say this to me. Meanwhile, then you sent me to your distrust list, I'm I still there? Grin

Not true. I was surprised by this joke. I don't even remember when I removed you from there. Likewise, I think a very long time ago. You must have bookmarked that page, as you are not on my list today.
I have long understood you and your friendliness to the forum. Therefore, of course, newcomers come in different ways, and it takes time to learn something from a person. Therefore, here I see that many advise not to wear a mask but to be yourself. Sometimes what we hide in ourselves is much more interesting than what we want to appear.
Check again, mate. How many weeks have passed since page 150?

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Your observations over newbies failure and post unmerited are awesome, but you need to know that not board the post or thread are cited is the factor of not earning surplus merit alone..one of the other factor that can contribute to that, is the arrangements of the worlds or the composition.

some of them may come up with good title and end up with wrong arrangements..so any place you create your thread provided is quality people who come across it and like the article will show appreciation by merit.. because some quality thread that has been created after two months or fives months do gets merit whenever someone visited the user profile.

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Quote from: KingsDen on April 22, 2022, 04:57:52 AM

Thanks very much. The essence of the hyperlinks taking you same to the thread is, when a thread is somehow long, not everyone has the time and patience to read through. So, with the hyperlink (contents), one can decide to click a particular content that is of interest to him/her, read it and goes away. I don't know if you understand me.

Yeah I get your point. Ive just thought that these hyperlinks are connected to others thread where there is a much more explanation to thr topic. Ive mentioned since most bullet hyperlink threads are always like that when tou noticed too.

But there is not much an issue there, just suggesting it but its always up to the OP to deliberate design to his thread.

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A good thread, it's true that in this forum we have to be careful in acting especially when it comes to the rules in this forum. for a beginner, it is important for him to grow and learn well the things that can or cannot be done so as not to violate the rules of this forum. Ambition is good but if you are in a hurry and rash in doing something then it will affect our mindset and behavior so that sometimes it becomes a boomerang for ourselves. A beginner can grow well and be successful if he understands his goals and responsibility for himself. , so he will be more careful and try hard to grow well in learning the crypto world.

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Quote from: cryptoaddictchie on April 22, 2022, 02:26:00 AM

Nice thread OP, I think this is good summarize for the thigns newbie should read. However, I think the words with hyperlink is confusing to others. When Ive clicked it I thought Im gonna direct to a certain thread detailining the words but instead to the samw thread in which it was explained. I think its better to change that into a bold instead. Just a suggestion.

Just exactly what i did. But thanks OP for sharing all of these as they may be very vital to make them aware and never fail in the forum. For newbies, its always an edge if you keep learning everyday through research and experience. Since you will never come to fully understand all of these just by mere reading. But when you come to experience failure, hopefully you will learn to figure out and reflect on these.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on April 22, 2022, 05:41:06 AM

OP, I want to tell you that your post is the most adequate guide, and you are the same person who felt every point you described. And right now it looks very right since you have acquired not only "thick skin", but also good skills.

Thanks for the acknowledgement and seeing my guide as adequate. Yes, I fit myself into many points I wrote above. It is not long I joined this forum, so the chronicles of my growth is still fresh in my memory.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on April 22, 2022, 05:41:06 AM

I also remember my attacks on you when you, as described in the first paragraph, wanted to grow up quickly.

Tbh, I was fed up with the attacks then as it bothered me so much. But, immediately I started seeing the attacks as constructive criticism, I learnt to deal with them and use them to shapen myself.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on April 22, 2022, 05:41:06 AM

But today, please accept my respect and advice to all beginners to use this topic as a good parting word for further growth.

Thank you so much. I am glad you can say this to me. Meanwhile, you sent me to your distrust list then, am I still there? Grin

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on April 22, 2022, 05:41:06 AM

Based on this, I can also summarize that the example of a beginner who grew up before our eyes was combined with such qualities as friendliness, acceptance of criticism, understanding, and correcting one's mistakes. And also a strong desire to prove to everyone that you should not give up, longing to be noticed on this forum. Again, ambition is a very good quality.

Your choice of words and grammatical arrangements seems like a poet. I appreciate your efforts personally and to all newbies who show inclination to become good forum users.

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Quote from: Welsh on April 22, 2022, 05:27:31 AM

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This.
This is exactly what I am actually. Although I am here to just chill and join discussion, I do not have the desire to rank up nor establish myself in here that's why I do not initiate topics unless I really need to, otherwise I just use the search feature when I am searching for an answer.
In other forums as well like Reddit, I do not really aim for getting a millions of karma. I usually just read there and join with the discussion of each subreddits that I am interested at. This is not a workplace where you are needed to grow once you got involved in here.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on April 22, 2022, 11:03:58 AM

Under the point called under-meriting is because some newbies didn't post constructive that won't be merited for that reason and some didn't get merited even if the post is merit worthy. I have said in my other post that I know someone who is a newbie and are introduced in Bitcointalk correctly but still he did do a plagiarism which gets him banned even though I told him about the forum rules. Some knows about Bitcointalk the wrong way so those newbies will surely quit.

I guess that is expected for most of the newbies that they are not yet capable to make constructive post since they still lack the knowledge and experience, unless you're a professional newbie. And yeah, i do really believe that there are boards here in the forum that are often to receive mostly the merits compared to the other boards, but maybe because some of them are certainly quality posters so they deserve the merit. However, when it comes to plagiarism, that is a big violation in the forum and will definitely make the owner of that account permanently banned.

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I would be very brief on why so many potential great newbies fails, one thing is certain they want to move faster than they can cope with, I have seen many newbies get there first 20 merit and then feel so reluctant and become very complacent or many that goes faster than their knowledge can carry then, the best solution for any Newbie right now is to understand that patient is a great value to have and become great in this forum.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 22, 2022, 01:00:34 PM

"Effervescence" - where something starts up very vigorously and burns out all the energy that they could habe used to get a while further. Not like i'm trying to undermine newbies who have started very well, but in my opinion, it is best for me and always good if you start slowly as a newbie and pick up speed here in the forum, rather than starting really well and slowing down to almost a stop along the way.

I think I understand this. Some newbies start as if forum will close in one month time and before one month they have given all that they have and then becomes bored. Next is to die gradually or exit the forum. Lolx..
May I liking it to this;

Quote from: mu_enrico on April 23, 2022, 05:56:25 AM

Also, remember that users' interest in Bitcoin and cryptocurrency cannot last forever. I mean, only a fraction of users can keep their passion and hunger for crypto topics, the rest could get bored, and need a new "hobby." That's pretty common in any communities (I call it "natural selection," lol).

The above statements are pointing same direction and correct. Though Welsh has clarified that this is a discussion forum and people may naturally get tired of the discussion and find another way of life.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on April 23, 2022, 05:56:25 AM

Quote from: Welsh on April 22, 2022, 05:27:31 AM

Also, remember that this is a discussion forum, and therefore has a lot of users signing up to ask questions, without ever intending on staying on the forum. The thing is, there's no mission, and there's no expectation that a new user is going to try, and reach the highest rank....

Yep, it pretty much sums up what I feel as well.

Also, remember that users' interest in Bitcoin and cryptocurrency cannot last forever. I mean, only a fraction of users can keep their passion and hunger for crypto topics, the rest could get bored, and need a new "hobby." That's pretty common in any communities (I call it "natural selection," lol).

I feel this topic comes from the perspective of increasing rank for the sake of a signature campaign.

Not gaining anything will make them fail and only few newbie can last long here since some of them aiming to earn quickly so if they cannot get something in return for staying here they leave and find another things that can possibly catch up their interest. Maybe for now its good to see them quit but for sure they will be back if bitcoin price soar up and many opportunities open up again for them to grab on.

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Quote from: Welsh on April 22, 2022, 05:27:31 AM

Also, remember that this is a discussion forum, and therefore has a lot of users signing up to ask questions, without ever intending on staying on the forum. The thing is, there's no mission, and there's no expectation that a new user is going to try, and reach the highest rank....

Yep, it pretty much sums up what I feel as well.

Also, remember that users' interest in Bitcoin and cryptocurrency cannot last forever. I mean, only a fraction of users can keep their passion and hunger for crypto topics, the rest could get bored, and need a new "hobby." That's pretty common in any communities (I call it "natural selection," lol).

I feel this topic comes from the perspective of increasing rank for the sake of a signature campaign.

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The OP is one i must applaud for taking out time to draft down such informations at least for the benefit of the newbie's and prospective ones.

But I wish to draw the OP attention to the area of NEGATIVE TRUST, I believe negative trust as a tag is aimed at deterring any user from involving in scam activities and others alike, and also as a red flag to other genuine members in the forum to be on alert with the possibility that they might be dealing with a scammer so as to take caution.

Which is very welcomed and ingenious.

Though ignorance is not an excuse to the law cause some might use ignorance as a defense when that's not the case, but in few cases a very few could just be victimized especially through a misuse of negative trust tag and or out of an act of ignorance, lack of knowledge from the victim with negative trust etc.

In all what am saying is, certain cases should be well investigated and scrutinized before a negative trust tag, though some might worth it but a very few in my opinion might not be.

Such victimization could demoralized a user moral and interest to give his/her best in the forum.

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Quote from: KingsDen on April 21, 2022, 03:41:37 PM

4. Forum Attacks and/or Policing:
Some promising newbies upon arriving this forum recieve a hostile welcome. To already members of the forum, it might seem normal, but a genuine (first time) newbie who knows nothing about how things work here, may immediately say goodbye to the forum. This would have been my fate

Sadly, this is the case most times and I believe the harshness sometimes is unnecessary. However, to stay real on this, I think some newbies act overbearingly and that could irritate certain users. The end result of such irritation is often harshness. I sympathize with genuine newbies who get such toughness melted on them and they wrongly conclude that every senior ranked account is snobbish like that. I normally find it a problem with newbie accounts which masquerade as experts in what they know next to nothing. Also, for instance, we often see newbies who come here to advertize trading tools, ask for loan or offer loan services, advertise and vouch for sites they largely don't know anything about. Such newbies may not be treated as innocent and genuine newbies. They've something sinister up their sleeves.

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So far there are 3 newbies who are interested in this forum after they know I have been here for a long time. It's true they only think that this forum is about money when in fact they never know anything about crypto even they never know what bitcoin is.

Their main motivation for being on this forum is because of money and I think that makes it too difficult for them to get out of the wrong zone to move up the rank up to higher ranks because from the start they have maximized their time just to be bounty hunter. I'm trying to tell you that this forum isn't always about money, but it doesn't really matter to anyone who only cares about money.

I can confirm that as of today they are still newbie as they only focus on bounty. There's nothing I can do for them though I can say that they can rank up by increasing contributions through quality posts but I have to fail about that and let it go with its interests.

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Quote from: KingsDen on April 21, 2022, 03:41:37 PM

The above factors I outlined are my personal observations about my 11 months old in this forum. Since I am not old in this forum, some of the above points may be wrong. Please! Feel free to correct any obvious mistakes or misconceptions by me and I will not fail to edit....

Very nice observations OP, on my part there's nothing to correct but to add. There's one more i have observed that i will like to be added to the long list. I can describe this with one word which is "Effervescence" - where something starts up very vigorously and burns out all the energy that they could habe used to get a while further. Not like i'm trying to undermine newbies who have started very well, but in my opinion, it is best for me and always good if you start slowly as a newbie and pick up speed here in the forum, rather than starting really well and slowing down to almost a stop along the way.

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Good observation and useful thread for everyone not just only for newbies, what I think is most of the newbies fall for the rank trap so they work hard and at sometime they feel exhausted if they didn't get the appreciation what they worked for but this js the forum and we are here to learn things about bitcoin so yes it's okay to be average since not everyone is intelligent as some newbies we can see. Don't concentrate on the rank just try to contribute in the way you can.

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Under the point called under-meriting is because some newbies didn't post constructive that won't be merited for that reason and some didn't get merited even if the post is merit worthy. I have said in my other post that I know someone who is a newbie and are introduced in Bitcointalk correctly but still he did do a plagiarism which gets him banned even though I told him about the forum rules. Some knows about Bitcointalk the wrong way so those newbies will surely quit.

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Quote from: Welsh on April 22, 2022, 05:27:31 AM

Also, remember that this is a discussion forum, and therefore has a lot of users signing up to ask questions, without ever intending on staying on the forum.

Yes, this is a category of newbies that I didn't capture and they might not have fit into this topic. When I said promising newbies, it means that the user has already spent sometime in the forum and contributed in such a way that the community expected him to give more. For a newbie that signed up to ask questions and exit, he/she doesn't belong to this category.

Quote from: Z390 on April 22, 2022, 07:24:13 AM

About your alt account point.

So if I don't have any good topics to create and I just feel bored about posting for a while it means I have lowered my standard because I don't create posts like I used to and that means I probably move on to another account? Bro this point is pointless.

When we discuss issues of general interest, we intend to pay attention to the choice of words. If you can visit that paragraph again, I said "it is a likely indication". Which means not in all cases and we cannot also deny that it happens. The activities of a user having 1 account cannot be same as one having 2 or more. The efficiency must drop.

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