Why we should never trust anyone for being the real Satoshi. - page 2.

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Quote from: sheenshane on June 20, 2020, 10:38:01 AM

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For me, let's respect of what the decision was made by Satoshi, he wants this from the start to be presumed pseudonymous for his own safety. There's no way to increase the price of Bitcoin even we know who really the real Satoshi is/are.

I chose to be on this site. Leaving what Satoshi wanted to keep secret was a form of my gratitude for what he/they created. After all, there is no direct benefit we can get if we really can reveal the fact who he really is, right? let the secret be a secret, it will be a unique attraction that will always be discussed by everyone throughout the history of bitcoin.

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-- He is still anonymous and will keep being anonymous because he needs it to protect himself as well as his family.

Of course it would have been a different story if Satoshi hadn't kept his identity a secret from the start. It could be that the security of themselves and their families will be threatened. From here I can guess Satoshi's personality which is very visionary and considerate, so he won't carelessly reveal his identity.

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Do not believe if someone calls himself Satoshi, Satoshi is very great and intelligent because he made a successful currency which is the bitcoin so he wouldn't put himself at risk by showing off who is the real him. He is still anonymous and will keep being anonymous because he needs it to protect himself as well as his family.

All those who claims to be Satoshi Nakamoto is also Intelligent and bright People thats why they come to claim things that they don't really deserve in short they are only FUD.

But Thanks for this thread as it was a really great pointers on how and why people cannot be Satoshi and will never have some stupid victims here.

I am sure before the world wide adoption of Bitcoin,these faketoshis will already gone and never bother the Crypto space forever Grin

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50 years later when we are all dead, the people behind Craig Wright may just e successful in brainwashing everyone that indeed he is satoshi just as how Thomas Edison claimed things when it was Nikola Tesla was the first to have introduced the great technology before him.

The proof that satoshi had been here in the forum might all be gone including this forum if not protected from the people behind Craig. 100 years more, the name satoshi may not exist but only Craig Wright because history is created by those who are consistent, and by then they can already patent Bitcoin and blockchain.

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Quote from: gentlemand on June 18, 2020, 03:26:03 AM

Quote from: Debonaire217 on June 17, 2020, 11:57:42 PM

It's plain and simple, sign the wallet address of the first transaction in the genesis block and show it to the public.

That will prove you control those keys, nothing else. It is of course extremely compelling but not definitive. I'm not sure anything is when someone's entire story has taken place via channels that can be passed on to someone else.

And a Satoshi turning up now and attracting a following would be so out of character from everything that has gone before that he'd attract just as much suspicion as our favourite tubby Australian.

Controlling the private keys would be a solid proof. I know that it would not be definitive, but a good start for sure. Without it I wouldn't even go into details with this new Satoshi, and I'm pretty sure most bitcoiners would treat him like another imposter. If the owner of Satoshi's coins had a plausible explanation of how it all started and why he remained in hiding for so long, people would believe him.
Would it be good for Bitcoin? No. Would it be good for Satoshi? No. Would it make him a target? Probably yes, unless he was under some protection as an agent already...

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I am curious, how should someone prove that he is the real inventor of bitcoin, the mysterious satoshi nakamoto. I do not see a way to prove it that one is the actual founder of bitcoin...

No one proves the real identity of Bitcoin creator and that is Satoshi Nakamoto, even Craig Wright did not prove this upon on his claim that he is the real creator of Bitcoin. If someone can create a Bitcoin message on this address, 12c6DSiU4Rq3P4ZxziKxzrL5LmMBrzjrJX, which is the first Bitcoin address of Genesis block which was the first Bitcoin address that received rewards from Bitcoin mining process then, he is the real one.

For me, let's respect of what the decision was made by Satoshi, he wants this from the start to be presumed pseudonymous for his own safety. There's no way to increase the price of Bitcoin even we know who really the real Satoshi is/are.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on June 19, 2020, 11:33:25 AM

Quote from: blockman on June 19, 2020, 09:45:53 AM

Satoshi Nakamoto maybe is having a peaceful right now so I guess we shouldn't be bothered anymore by his personality. The fact that he created Bitcoin with a pseudonym of Satoshi Nakamoto, he don't want to reveal his personality. I guess he already knew that when the time comes, BTC rises, the government will definitely be looking for him to take control of BTC right now. Don't expect of a comeback, everyone deserves a peaceful life, and I guess he doesn't want to be involved in politics.

It's also what's on my mind. No need to bother him or whether we do bother him, we don't know if he's going to be bothered or he's already used to it that he's the talk of the town.
I'm also not expecting that he'll show someday but if he does, that's a mystery which has been solved. But in these times, a lot of cons are pretending to be him so we shouldn't bother too.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 19, 2020, 04:19:08 AM

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I trust that the real satoshi is Nakamoto.

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N+1

I trust that the real Satoshi is NOT some Borat-like character, who lies, who doctors legal documents, and defrauds people. I believe the real Satoshi would want his own myth dead.

I agree on this. Why would he just leave bitcoin and just come back claiming it back again? I don't understand that a genius guy like Satoshi Nakamoto would do that. He is just out there, might be smiling or laughing to those people who claims they are the real one. We never know, he might be reading this post from his mobile phone or PC.

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Quote from: MCobian on June 19, 2020, 12:13:51 PM

In my opinion satoshi nakamoto will always be anonymous, because that is the best for the development of bitcoin. If anyone claims to be
the real satoshi should not be trusted, because none of the people who claim to be the real satoshi can show evidence. Actually, today many
people claim to be real Satoshi Nakamoto's, just to find popularity. So don't give them a stage became famous, because it was the main goal
of faketoshi. I agree with the words in the opening post that trust someone as satoshi nakamoto will endanger the future of bitcoin, because
that person will make bitcoin end. By making projects that he created can replace bitcoin. For example Craig Wright with his creation BSV.

dont know whats the benefits of being anonymous to its project but i can only say that it has some advantage . people that claims to be satoshi are already popular personalities so i dont think being famous is thier only goal why they do it . maybe they have really a plan to steal the owner ship of btc from the real satoshi but they act like a noob because if they are fake , they cant still show an evidence . they are only wasting thier time and the time of the users that gets interested to this . its also obvious that he is fake when he tries to promote other coin aside from btc

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Actually, I remember just a few months ago someone used an email address belongs to Satoshi himself and asked for some private keys. Maybe because the email address if not under control of Satoshi. Whenever someone claims to be Satoshi always in the first place we should ask him to send a message using PGP encrypted message. Satoshi could be anyone who is currently active in this forum using another account. But, people like Craig Wright have no right to even speak about Satoshi. These days we have many people claim to be Satoshi and they all lying about it.

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I don't think there is anyone to say Satoshi Satoshi made bitcoin but no one has been able to identify him so far Whether Satoshi is alive or dead no one knows the real secret behind making bitcoin. Therefore it is not right for us to believe that some people who have Satoshi usually want to introduce themselves as Satoshi in order to scam.

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Quote from: blockman on June 19, 2020, 09:45:53 AM

Quote from: michellee on June 18, 2020, 08:29:34 PM

We have no idea if he's alive or not anymore. Many of us are not expecting him anymore to do some surprise comeback and accepts the fact that he's not going to back.
I guess we just have to embrace that and don't expect anything anymore.

I think he still alive somewhere with his work. We don't know if he will come back or not, but we need to keep trying to use his legacy to our benefits. If he thinks that he needs to come out, he will show himself to us, and he will do what is necessary, especially related to the blockchain itself. Meanwhile, we can keep busy to make more profit from bitcoin Grin

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In my opinion satoshi nakamoto will always be anonymous, because that is the best for the development of bitcoin. If anyone claims to be
the real satoshi should not be trusted, because none of the people who claim to be the real satoshi can show evidence. Actually, today many
people claim to be real Satoshi Nakamoto's, just to find popularity. So don't give them a stage became famous, because it was the main goal
of faketoshi. I agree with the words in the opening post that trust someone as satoshi nakamoto will endanger the future of bitcoin, because
that person will make bitcoin end. By making projects that he created can replace bitcoin. For example Craig Wright with his creation BSV.

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Quote from: blockman on June 19, 2020, 09:45:53 AM

Quote from: michellee on June 18, 2020, 08:29:34 PM

Quote from: blockman on June 18, 2020, 04:35:35 AM

That is why we need to respect his decision to leave from here. I am sure that if he thinks that someday, he needs to come back to here again, he will come and talk with us, and maybe he will explain what he did so far to us. We don't need to chase him because I don't think we can find him hiding. Let him work with his project while we can use his creation for our benefit.

We have no idea if he's alive or not anymore. Many of us are not expecting him anymore to do some surprise comeback and accepts the fact that he's not going to back.
I guess we just have to embrace that and don't expect anything anymore.

Satoshi Nakamoto maybe is having a peaceful right now so I guess we shouldn't be bothered anymore by his personality. The fact that he created Bitcoin with a pseudonym of Satoshi Nakamoto, he don't want to reveal his personality. I guess he already knew that when the time comes, BTC rises, the government will definitely be looking for him to take control of BTC right now. Don't expect of a comeback, everyone deserves a peaceful life, and I guess he doesn't want to be involved in politics.

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Quote from: michellee on June 18, 2020, 08:29:34 PM

Quote from: blockman on June 18, 2020, 04:35:35 AM

That is why we need to respect his decision to leave from here. I am sure that if he thinks that someday, he needs to come back to here again, he will come and talk with us, and maybe he will explain what he did so far to us. We don't need to chase him because I don't think we can find him hiding. Let him work with his project while we can use his creation for our benefit.

We have no idea if he's alive or not anymore. Many of us are not expecting him anymore to do some surprise comeback and accepts the fact that he's not going to back.
I guess we just have to embrace that and don't expect anything anymore.

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Satoshi is smart man who decided to stay underground, imagine the pressure from law enforcements & banks.

He did us a favour by initiating crypto revolution, BTC may or may not survive to future but its legacy will .

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Quote from: BitcoinFX on June 18, 2020, 04:25:26 AM

I trust that the real satoshi is Nakamoto.

In Crypto we Trust. Vires in Numeris.

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I trust that the real Satoshi is NOT some Borat-like character, who lies, who doctors legal documents, and defrauds people. I believe the real Satoshi would want his own myth dead.

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You are saying that information, history, and identities can be altered in the internet but not the private keys that the REAL Satoshi Nakamoto have. That's the only way to prove his real identities and that is what the community is looking for. He has been hiding for almost a decade now, I'm pretty sure that he won't be appearing. But I'm kind of curious, how can he be the death of his own creation? is he going to go do stupid things like faketoshi by patenting or owning everything about Bitcoin? Because at this point, he doesn't have any reason to do that. He is probably enjoying the fruit of his labor somewhere. He'll only put himself to danger if he does that.

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on June 17, 2020, 11:57:42 PM

Quote from: michellee on June 17, 2020, 11:11:00 PM

If someone can not prove he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto, why should we trust that person? Without proving to the public, we can consider that he will try to scam many people, especially new people who don't have more information about who is Satoshi. I only think that after Satoshi announcing about blockchain technology and bitcoin, he got an invite to join in another big project, so he decides to keep anonymous and hide his identity to the public, and let them have questions about who is he.

It's plain and simple, sign the wallet address of the first transaction in the genesis block and show it to the public. Though proving that you are the real satoshi will not incur any help, it will just make bitcoin's market in a complicated situation as we know, it is satoshi's decision to remain anonymous, and we should respect that decision for good.

This personality Craig Wright has just proven himself as an impostor and just created hype for his personal interests in bitcoin and cryptocurrency. It doesn't really benefit us, thus, we just waste time reading news about him over time.

That is so simple. Even Satoshi himself doesn't need to show his face to the public if he doesn't want the public to know who he is. By signing the wallet address and show it to the public, that can make the public knows that he still in the crypto world, and he still watches the bitcoin moves. We should use our time for another thing that to read the news about Craigh Wright Grin

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Quote from: michellee on June 17, 2020, 11:11:00 PM

If someone can not prove he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto, why should we trust that person? Without proving to the public, we can consider that he will try to scam many people, especially new people who don't have more information about who is Satoshi. I only think that after Satoshi announcing about blockchain technology and bitcoin, he got an invite to join in another big project, so he decides to keep anonymous and hide his identity to the public, and let them have questions about who is he.

Whoever Satoshi Nakamoto is and claims it to the public that he is through words, there's no way that everybody will believe to him. Unless those people are blind followers, they can easily be fooled by that guy just like the example as stated as we know the known con.
We will never know what's the reason for satoshi's keeping himself to the public and who he is or they are. And that's going to be one of the greatest mystery ever in this community.

That is why we need to respect his decision to leave from here. I am sure that if he thinks that someday, he needs to come back to here again, he will come and talk with us, and maybe he will explain what he did so far to us. We don't need to chase him because I don't think we can find him hiding. Let him work with his project while we can use his creation for our benefit.

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Quote from: Negotiation on June 17, 2020, 10:15:29 PM

You are right that we should not believe them at all They usually spread these false rumors Satoshi Nakamoto made bitcoin he is there but no one knows his exact information. If he had given his identity long ago he would not have kept the information secret for so long Those who want to identify themselves as Satoshi should stay away from these people They are always doing harm and inventing new scams These should be avoided for your own protection.

That's what the true Satoshi Nakamoto wants, he wants to stay anonymous and mysterious and leave a mark to all of us. He used his own creation, the best cryptocurrency in the world to become known and popular. The real Satoshi really influenced all of us and he deserved all the credits that we could give to him.

It is not that easy to claim that you're Satoshi Nakamoto, no one can even do and prove that. If you will try to claim his identity then that's a waste of time and you need to proof and strong evidence for that. And also don't put your life at risk just by saying that you're the one who created bitcoin because many will become triggered with that.

Just give credit to the real Satoshi Nakamoto for his wonderful Bitcoin.

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Quote from: michellee on June 17, 2020, 11:11:00 PM

If someone can not prove he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto, why should we trust that person? Without proving to the public, we can consider that he will try to scam many people, especially new people who don't have more information about who is Satoshi. I only think that after Satoshi announcing about blockchain technology and bitcoin, he got an invite to join in another big project, so he decides to keep anonymous and hide his identity to the public, and let them have questions about who is he.

Whoever Satoshi Nakamoto is and claims it to the public that he is through words, there's no way that everybody will believe to him. Unless those people are blind followers, they can easily be fooled by that guy just like the example as stated as we know the known con.
We will never know what's the reason for satoshi's keeping himself to the public and who he is or they are. And that's going to be one of the greatest mystery ever in this community.

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