Why would DPR hire a Hitman through a bank transfer?

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Quote from: Totaldice on April 12, 2015, 04:07:54 PM

When he was making logs of his day to day activities in journal entry type things did he not think how incriminating it would all be if he was ever caught?

Obviously not. He may be very intelligent but clearly he wasn't a criminal genius. I think rule #1 when you're creating these sorts of markets is not to be a resident in the United States or any country with an extradition treaty to there for that matter. Go to a nice sunny country where the US can't step foot in or if you want to remain in the US you better make sure to cover your tracks 100% but I wouldn't want to risk it as it's almost impossible and the stress of worrying about it doesn't bare thinking about.

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Quote from: Ibelievetruly on April 10, 2015, 11:34:38 AM

You're overestimating ross. He used his personal email to advertise silk road. I'm sure he was also dumb enough to pay for the hit through a bank transfer.

Let's get real, the guy was a fricking idiot.

If he was such an idiot, then he would have never created such a sophisticated market place and saved it from the FBI and hackers for more than a year. The FBI tracked him after years of monitoring. They spent millions of USD trying to track him. But for a long time he evaded those who tried to outsmart him. He was caught after a bug in the TOR browser exposed his IP. He was probably smarter than anyone in this forum.

Ross made many mistakes all of which ultimately contributed to his demise. The biggest error he made that tied him directly to Silk Road was using his own personal details to set up Silk Road in the first place. From what I gather it was good old fashioned detective work that got him caught but once he was there was plenty of evidence to seal the deal. Had he not used his personal email address and not got caught red handed operating SR with logs of his activities on the laptop amongst other things it might have been a much different story. I don't doubt that he is a very intelligent person but he did some ridiculously stupid things. If he was such a genius though he wouldn't be currently sitting in a jail cell right now.

When he was making logs of his day to day activities in journal entry type things did he not think how incriminating it would all be if he was ever caught?

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2015, 01:00:08 PM

Quote from: Ibelievetruly on April 10, 2015, 11:34:38 AM

You're overestimating ross. He used his personal email to advertise silk road. I'm sure he was also dumb enough to pay for the hit through a bank transfer.

Let's get real, the guy was a fricking idiot.

If he was such an idiot, then he would have never created such a sophisticated market place and saved it from the FBI and hackers for more than a year. The FBI tracked him after years of monitoring. They spent millions of USD trying to track him. But for a long time he evaded those who tried to outsmart him. He was caught after a bug in the TOR browser exposed his IP. He was probably smarter than anyone in this forum.

Ross made many mistakes all of which ultimately contributed to his demise. The biggest error he made that tied him directly to Silk Road was using his own personal details to set up Silk Road in the first place. From what I gather it was good old fashioned detective work that got him caught but once he was there was plenty of evidence to seal the deal. Had he not used his personal email address and not got caught red handed operating SR with logs of his activities on the laptop amongst other things it might have been a much different story. I don't doubt that he is a very intelligent person but he did some ridiculously stupid things. If he was such a genius though he wouldn't be currently sitting in a jail cell right now.

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LOL
It's an obvious fake. Would you pay someone for murder through a bank wire tranfer? Should just use bitcoins instead. I would =)

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Quote from: Blazr on April 12, 2015, 08:39:58 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2015, 12:41:04 AM

Both of them (Ross and the hitman) can't be that stupid. Have you ever heard of a criminal, who accepts bank transfer for his services? This is ridiculous.

You do know that most criminals don't use bitcoin right? Seriously it is not hard for a criminal to send or receive a bank transfer anonymously, liberty reserve (which is what Ross used) used to let you do this before it was shutdown. There are lots of banking services out there that are available for criminals. How do you think scammers on localbitcons and such pull scams using bank transfers?

Yeah most still use cash, yet Bitcoin gets the most negative press possible constantly linking it to criminal activities because it's on their political interest.

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Quote from: Blazr on April 12, 2015, 08:39:58 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2015, 12:41:04 AM

Both of them (Ross and the hitman) can't be that stupid. Have you ever heard of a criminal, who accepts bank transfer for his services? This is ridiculous.

You do know that most criminals don't use bitcoin right? Seriously it is not hard for a criminal to send or receive a bank transfer anonymously, liberty reserve (which is what Ross used) used to let you do this before it was shutdown. There are lots of banking services out there that are available for criminals. How do you think scammers on localbitcons and such pull scams using bank transfers?

Normally all criminals use cash. Are there even anonymous bank accounts? Never heard of such services. If you're receiving bank transfers for illegal services you're asking to be caught.
The criminals used TOR and offered their services in the Internet, so they were accustomed with technology. Why not use one of the encrypted coin protocols available?

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2015, 12:41:04 AM

Both of them (Ross and the hitman) can't be that stupid. Have you ever heard of a criminal, who accepts bank transfer for his services? This is ridiculous.

You do know that most criminals don't use bitcoin right? Seriously it is not hard for a criminal to send or receive a bank transfer anonymously, liberty reserve (which is what Ross used) used to let you do this before it was shutdown. There are lots of banking services out there that are available for criminals. How do you think scammers on localbitcons and such pull scams using bank transfers?

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2015, 01:00:08 PM

He was caught after a bug in the TOR browser exposed his IP.

Uh, that isn't true at all. I think what you are thinking of is that the Silk Road server's IP was allegedly exposed when the captcha system leaked it's true IP. There was no bug in Tor or Tor browser, simply a bug in a piece of code that Ross wrote. It wasn't the first time a bug he introduced leaked the Silk Roads IP either:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1dmznd/should_we_be_worried_showing_on_login_page/

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 08, 2015, 07:27:25 AM

Quote from: coinpr0n on April 08, 2015, 05:51:15 AM

Seems like an awfully weird thing to do by the man running the Silk Road. Boils down to do you trust the sources? I highly doubt it.

Fake bank transactions are not that hard to create. And considering the fact that the bankers hate anyone even remotely related to Bitcoin, it is not that hard to predict what happened there actually.

I doubt the banks or government would create fake evidence or proof at that level. They would be in loads of trouble if something like that is revealed in future. Also, as for the Bank Transfer, I haven't read anywhere saying it ever happened, what Source is claiming that ?

All I read was that 600,000 USD given to the assasins(supposedly FBI) in bitcoins.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2015, 01:00:08 PM

Quote from: Ibelievetruly on April 10, 2015, 11:34:38 AM

You're overestimating ross. He used his personal email to advertise silk road. I'm sure he was also dumb enough to pay for the hit through a bank transfer.

Let's get real, the guy was a fricking idiot.

If he was such an idiot, then he would have never created such a sophisticated market place and saved it from the FBI and hackers for more than a year. The FBI tracked him after years of monitoring. They spent millions of USD trying to track him. But for a long time he evaded those who tried to outsmart him. He was caught after a bug in the TOR browser exposed his IP. He was probably smarter than anyone in this forum.

If you bothered to read about the story, you'd know that he technically did not create Silk Road. He got the information about how to make the market from his friend, and applied it, but he by himself couldnt have done it. He is not smart by any means, silk road was technically made by his friend, not him.

The guy is an idiot, accept it. He used his real email to advertise the website, didn't tumble his coins(not that it would have mattered if he did), kept all his bitcoins unencrypted on his computer, and more.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2015, 01:00:08 PM

Quote from: Ibelievetruly on April 10, 2015, 11:34:38 AM

You're overestimating ross. He used his personal email to advertise silk road. I'm sure he was also dumb enough to pay for the hit through a bank transfer.

Let's get real, the guy was a fricking idiot.

If he was such an idiot, then he would have never created such a sophisticated market place and saved it from the FBI and hackers for more than a year. The FBI tracked him after years of monitoring. They spent millions of USD trying to track him. But for a long time he evaded those who tried to outsmart him. He was caught after a bug in the TOR browser exposed his IP. He was probably smarter than anyone in this forum.

The people who usually call him out as an idiot are the ones thinking that they are smarted than him. They think that if they were in his place they wouldn't get caught (with so much money).
Smarter than anyone? Definitely no. He just has excellent 'computer skills'. The word smart is complicated and usage is often wrong. Is a person really smart if they run illegal activities knowing that they would spent a part of their life behind bars?
Anyhow I do believe there was a setup involved. One of the rare mistake that he made is using that TOR browser.

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Quote from: Ibelievetruly on April 10, 2015, 11:34:38 AM

You're overestimating ross. He used his personal email to advertise silk road. I'm sure he was also dumb enough to pay for the hit through a bank transfer.

Let's get real, the guy was a fricking idiot.

If he was such an idiot, then he would have never created such a sophisticated market place and saved it from the FBI and hackers for more than a year. The FBI tracked him after years of monitoring. They spent millions of USD trying to track him. But for a long time he evaded those who tried to outsmart him. He was caught after a bug in the TOR browser exposed his IP. He was probably smarter than anyone in this forum.

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Quote from: Lauda on April 10, 2015, 10:31:27 AM

Quote from: byt411 on April 07, 2015, 08:42:50 PM

Maybe the hitman refused to accept bitcoin? Also, it isn't that hard you know, you just find some old dude and tell him that you'll give him $1,000 for using his bank account and he'll probably let you.

You got to be kidding. That's like paying for cocaine using a bank transfer. Who does that? Nobody.
That's your answer. Why would anyone believe what the government says in this matter or why would the government think that this example would stop anyone from making something like Silk Road again?

DPR was set up anyway.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2015, 12:41:04 AM

Both of them (Ross and the hitman) can't be that stupid. Have you ever heard of a criminal, who accepts bank transfer for his services? This is ridiculous.

Exactly. Unless he thinks illegal activities around the world are paid using SWIFT. Roll Eyes

You're overestimating ross. He used his personal email to advertise silk road. I'm sure he was also dumb enough to pay for the hit through a bank transfer.

Let's get real, the guy was a fricking idiot.

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I very much doubt he tried to hire any hitman, it's more than likely part of a character assassination by the feds to make sure he's locked up for a long time (and sends a powerful message to any future wanabee DPR's).

Guess we'll never know the truth unless he gets released from prison.

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Quote from: byt411 on April 07, 2015, 08:42:50 PM

Maybe the hitman refused to accept bitcoin? Also, it isn't that hard you know, you just find some old dude and tell him that you'll give him $1,000 for using his bank account and he'll probably let you.

You got to be kidding. That's like paying for cocaine using a bank transfer. Who does that? Nobody.
That's your answer. Why would anyone believe what the government says in this matter or why would the government think that this example would stop anyone from making something like Silk Road again?

DPR was set up anyway.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2015, 12:41:04 AM

Both of them (Ross and the hitman) can't be that stupid. Have you ever heard of a criminal, who accepts bank transfer for his services? This is ridiculous.

Exactly. Unless he thinks illegal activities around the world are paid using SWIFT. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: byt411 on April 07, 2015, 08:42:50 PM

Quote from: Totaldice on April 07, 2015, 06:59:32 PM

Maybe the hitman refused to accept bitcoin? Also, it isn't that hard you know, you just find some old dude and tell him that you'll give him $1,000 for using his bank account and he'll probably let you.

Bitcoin? those ignorant ass hitmen need to get with the times and get a Monero wallet lol Tongue

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Quote from: Totaldice on April 09, 2015, 09:38:21 PM

The reason I posted this is basically because it's highly suspicious that he would be stupid enough to use a bank transfer and most likely faked. Does anyone know if Ross made an official statement about the murder for hire?

Both of them (Ross and the hitman) can't be that stupid. Have you ever heard of a criminal, who accepts bank transfer for his services? This is ridiculous.

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The reason I posted this is basically because it's highly suspicious that he would be stupid enough to use a bank transfer and most likely faked. Does anyone know if Ross made an official statement about the murder for hire?

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He sent the funds anonymously using liberty reserve, likely funding the liberty reserve account with Bitcoin. The "hitman" would only take a bank transfer.

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Quote from: coinpr0n on April 08, 2015, 05:51:15 AM

Seems like an awfully weird thing to do by the man running the Silk Road. Boils down to do you trust the sources? I highly doubt it.

Fake bank transactions are not that hard to create. And considering the fact that the bankers hate anyone even remotely related to Bitcoin, it is not that hard to predict what happened there actually.

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