Topic: wild and unsubstantiated speculation about BFL's power woes (Read 6345 times)

...i just had an idea about the power usage:

Remember how the jalapeño was introduced? Coffee-warmer! ..... Now instead of warming you can straight out boil your espresso on these:)

I like this one.


Maybe we can call them "Josh's Kids" like a charity for the very sad, true believers.  Those that do not fret, but become more sedated as the BFL propaganda pathogen gnaws at their brain like a prion disease.

^ That is not what I meant.

If you mean that BFL scared away people who had products already in development, I find that hard to believe.  Committing the $1M or so to an ASIC design and mask etc is a huge sunk cost.  I find it to believe that anyone would sink that much work and investment and then walk away from it because someone else announced a competing product.

If you mean that there are others out there quietly toiling away building ASIC miners, who actually have the financial backing to not need to take preorders, as well as the integrity to not sell something until it's ready to ship, then I really, really hope so.

ftfy

Whoever photoshops Josh's face onto Todd Hoffman's body is my hero.  Bonus points for goatee.

  -- elden "Dakota" tyrell

I'm guessing "idle" means the clock is still running, so all the gates are still switching.  In other words, it isn't actually idle.  My Spartan-6 firmware is like this -- unless you stop the clock it consumes the same amount of power as when doing useful work.  Not much reason to put clock-enables on a mining chip.



I think we'll see current-mode logic (MCML) mining chips pretty soon.  If the device is going to be powered on and running full speed 24x7x365 anyways a lot of the power advantage of voltage-mode CMOS goes away.

No, I don't think BFL is using CML.

Actually six wafers is the minimum order at every foundry I've worked with.

The only way to get less than six wafers worth of chips is to join an MPW, but those masks can't be reused (or even modified to fix bugs) so if your ultimate goal is to be in production rather than some sort of research project it just doesn't make sense.

And I think icing on the scam cake is that BFL used many preorder $$$ to buy Avalons

One of the few things that argues against the hypothesis that BFL is 100% scam (in my mind) is that they managed to fool the you guys.  It would be kinda funny if it turned out that the Avalon guys were in a foot-race against exactly zero other vendors this whole time.  Very sweet for Avalon customers though.

he spend all day in his pied piper shout box...    very hopeless there, like cancer ward they sufferers try to smile in the pain

they wil turn into walking dead zombies soon

LMAO!

He sure liked to smack-talk Avalon. Now that Avalon has shipped quiet a few units, and BFL power usage has skyrocketed while performance has plummeted, Josh has sure been quiet. Come on, Josh. Make fun of all those Avalons cranking out 5 BTC/day.

...BUH...BUH...BUT...that would be dishonest!?! I'm sure Sonny V would never head up a company that would do such a thing. Just keep the lottery tickets away from him.

Anyway JZ says they're 65nm full custom unicorn blood superchips and we all know what *his* word is worth.

it is entirely possible they did not even use a 65nm processor node, just something to think about.

!) Customers will seemingly be sent several units to comprise a high GH/s purchase. I am sure this will take a large notch out of BFL's profit margin.

Then again, who cares, they have new suckers...I mean customers to take up the slack at double the price.

!) The funniest punchline of the year....BFL downgrades their hardware offering through failed and over extended promises.

Avalon, continues to ship 66Gh/s through 80Gh/s systems to it's customers.

Will BFL ever catch up? Should you invest in their learning curve? I guess it's up to you!

Do not invoke his name. And if you are unwise enough to do so, quickly invoke the Lord and he will flee.

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So an update for those that are like me and stopped following BFL for a while as a prospective vendor.

!) BFL has raised the price of their product from $1,399 to $2,495 (or thereabouts).

!) They haven't delivered any [finished] units yet.

!) They are wildly "way over" their power specification. Gladfully you don't see Josh trolling the forums about how power saving going "poof" means that they will be as "unprofitable" as Avalon per month. I am sure he will hide that face from his customers....or just not bring it up anymore as a selling point.

Of course "electrical efficiency", that was just a joke and no longer applies.

!) Their devices are hotter than a potato it appears. Though I am not totally sure since Josh/BFL and physics are an estranged couple.

!) The new products are less than 60GH/s (now at 50 or less) but cost way more....did I mention they haven't yet shipped? (New capitol injection?)

!) Some more customers are bailing from way back in the day. New customers, are figuring out there are issues with the product...hopefully they are staying away.

!) Oh, the voucher program. BFL fucks it's users once again (I think?).

They gave early orders (from way back in June 2012) 25% off in a future voucher program that is only valid for 60 days after shipping products. (yet to be realized)

But...now that BFL has doubled their price...the voucher is seemingly useless. Hah. Very funny BFL.

Google never ceases to amaze me.

I hope they did not remove the miniRig just based on my analysis that the box would turn red and set people's cats on fire, because to be honest I am still unsure is 9000W in a one cubic foot space really will make a cat ignite.   I am still trying to find the data to back it up.   Please tell me their "engineers" actually figured it out before any felines were injured.

Someone should necro all those threads from 6 months ago where the BFL fanbois where defending the power claims.