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legendary
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BTC main value proposition is to be a decentralized currency and/or value store. 1. The BTC community desires it to be widely adopted by the population. But price volatility prevents so. A significant amount of people cannot afford the cost of volatility.

A big argument against inflation is that it raises the cost of business. The same argument can be used to criticize BTC. BTC volatility raises the cost of doing business if BTC is your only capital. If we desire BTC adoption to rise we must take care of BTC price fluctuation. BTC demand is highly unpredictable while supply is predictable, resulting in unpredictable prices. That means volatility can't change unless demand stabilizes.

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3 "BTC is volatile but it always rises in the long-term so it doesn't matter". Is it does, it increases the cost of business. I can't start a bakery with only BTC capital because in the first dip I will have to take loans to pay wages.
3.1 "Oh, but you can't see that happening because you can't see far enough." This sounds like a highly utopian view. Pragmatically, we need a path from here to there, I turn to you and ask, how can we get there?
3.2 "Okay, it doesn't matter for some people and that's all". Okay, then BTC will be a niche store of value, contradicting #1.
4 "Demand will stabilize in the long term." How?
5 "Price stability is a myth, market demands always change them" Sure, it's a myth. Yet it is desirable. If we are designing the system, shouldn't we take that in account? "No, we shouldn't, if you want to do that go and create your own coin." Okay, then BTC will be a niche store of value, contradicting #1.

What incentives do savers have to buy-in on a inflationary money supply? The incentive of stability? That's one reason people agree being exposed to the USD. Am I defending inflation tax? No. I'm asking could there be benefits to having a transparent voluntary contract with varying money supply rate. And I'm leaning towards a yes to this question.

If the supply of a coin could be influenced by price then we would have a more stable coin, the cost we pay is inflation. The issue then becomes an optimization issue, on what would be a proper trade-off.

What are your thoughts?
I do agree. It seems to be a factor for countries who are planning to adapt Bitcoin as a currency. It is still a problem because a currency should have a stable market price in order to be used fairly in the market. But since the market value of Bitcoin changes from time to time, stability on its price is lacking. So let's just wait what tomorrow could bring.
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Big volatility of bitcoin is still the main problem, due to which states treat it with caution and even with some hostility. The last increase of bitcoin in December last year presented bitcoin as a financial bubble and therefore many states began to warn their citizens about the greater risks of investing in bitcoin. This also serves as a big obstacle to the full legalization of the crypto currency.
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It would attract people who are looking for a quick profit, people who actually have money to spare to pursue that goal. That in itself would increase the userbase and slowly drive up the "resting" price. Which would encourage others to adopt it. We still haven't got to the point that we'd regularly use it but people can adopt it as an alternative (or additional) store for their money.
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Think about why people by now haven't yet invested in bitcoin even though it became very popular and some have been able to make a lot of profit from it, its because of how its price is always changing, investors and businesses owners are afraid of what could happen if they accept it one day when it is high up and the next day they find themselves losing a lot, if bitcoin was stable not only people and investors will accept it but it won't be a surprise if governments would accept it as well.
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Yes, the volatility is bitcoin's biggest irony. People today are searching for the best banks they could use for storing money. Bitcoin still has a low usage rate because of jts volatility. Not all can understand that volatility is a great instrument for traders and even holders. If bitcoin is not that volatile, many people will use it because of the characteristics that it makes it better.
You can also add to that that people are scared of spending their bitcoin , when you see headlines everywhere predicting bitcoin to go to 50k or even more.
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Yes, the volatility is bitcoin's biggest irony. People today are searching for the best banks they could use for storing money. Bitcoin still has a low usage rate because of jts volatility. Not all can understand that volatility is a great instrument for traders and even holders. If bitcoin is not that volatile, many people will use it because of the characteristics that it makes it better.
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Not at all although bitcoin volatility does affect the coin's usefulness as a currency which means that because the price is always moving and is never in a single position, prices are always switching so when it comes to using it as a currency it is not viable.
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February 15, 2018, 05:29:26 AM
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Exactly as posted above. As a matter of fact Microsoft and Valve for example have stopped accepting Bitcoin due to it's volatility.
When did Microsoft accept Bitcoin? Dude, you guys are used to making up news on your own and telling lies. Even the volatility of Bitcoin can’t prevent it from being adopted, cause volatility is something that can be worked on easily. Rate of demand moves the price of Bitcoin, but it is not what determines the volatility. Volatility is being determined by the devs, they can choose to make it very less volatile or the opposite.
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February 13, 2018, 05:12:21 AM
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I think volatily in some ways really prevents mass adoption as, in particular, merchants have a risk of losing profits because of it. In the end, volatility creates many mess around the transaction (which happens not instantly, I must say).
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February 13, 2018, 04:14:26 AM
#25
Bitcoin volatility and lack of regulations are the main causes behind that.

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3 "BTC is volatile but it always rises in the long-term so it doesn't matter". Is it does, it increases the cost of business. I can't start a bakery with only BTC capital because in the first dip I will have to take loans to pay wages.

Yes, but if a merchant uses Bitcoin and its price goes down for one or two months ( like what happened last month) he will not be able to recover his losts and afford new products to his customers.

Bitcoin will stabilize when the demand stabilizes but how long will it take to happen?
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February 13, 2018, 01:58:42 AM
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I'm sure many merchants could make a Bitcoin adaption, but I believe they will sell the profit immediately. They just want a profit in FIAT. So I doubt the volatility will prevent the adoption. The problem is could be the anonymity that company won't deal with.
Human nature gets in the way, as it tends to do. It is difficult to stabilize prices in a world where people would rather play the market and get instant gratification by re-selling their coins for as high a price as possible.
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February 13, 2018, 01:38:33 AM
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Yes bitcoin's volatility prevents mass adoptions woldwide. Lets take this situation, a company X gives salary to the employees in bitcoin and suddenly the price of bitcoin increases and after few days it decreases again. It will be a huge loss for the company and what is the reason? Volatility.

In my opinion, bitcoin can be adopted but not a mass adoption because volatility is preventing it.

Not only is it a lost for the company, but it would be a disadvantage to the employees because their salary would become less if the price became lower. If bitcoin were to be adopted as a widely used currency, problems like these would arise. This is what prevents bitcoin from being adopted, along with high transaction fees and slow confirmation times. Volatility is an advantage to some users of BTC such as for traders but it can be said that it is a hindrance for adoption.
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February 12, 2018, 10:59:14 PM
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Just so you know that even the demand will stabilize in the future it won't affect or make Bitcoin less volatile. If Bitcoin's demand increase in the future it will simply make Bitcoin more volatile as a lot of people will try to buy and sell it for profit. Which means an increase in market participation will not mean all the participants will agree on a stable price but it will mean that all of them will try to get what they want for the price they set it to be. Unlimited demand to a limited supply will simply mean a battle of control.
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February 12, 2018, 10:39:49 PM
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  Yes bitcoin volatility prevent adoption specialy for those company that only pay their worker at fixed salary and their business also affected.They can't use bitcoin for there company,because it is changeable,they are at risk everytime price drop. I think bitcoin is just invented for investment which is you can buy if price low and sell if the price is high for you to gain more profit.
We are still far away from the day people will receive their payment in bitcoin and if that day comes then the price of bitcoin will be more stable than now, the issues with the volatility are several, one problem are the whales, the whales have so much bitcoin they can create trends out of nowhere by just buying and selling coins this creates a market that is even more volatile as it could be if left to move on its own.
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February 12, 2018, 06:31:07 PM
#20
Exactly as posted above. As a matter of fact Microsoft and Valve for example have stopped accepting Bitcoin due to it's volatility.
But microsoft had once again started to accept bitcoin payments.But at the same time, we should not forget that steem has totally dropped accepting bitcoin payments.
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February 12, 2018, 05:27:45 PM
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It is a sort of a factor. Ofcourse, volatility on n investment as well as a currency is  bit of a downside. But it cn also be n advntge where profit will be made from. They may buy during the dumps and sell whenever its market vlue is on its peak. But also, only few people will be thinking of this thing so it might be a reason for some countries on not to adopt cryptocurrencies including Bitcoin. Let's just hope that in the future this problem will be solved.
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February 12, 2018, 05:22:22 PM
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I'm sure many merchants could make a Bitcoin adaption, but I believe they will sell the profit immediately. They just want a profit in FIAT. So I doubt the volatility will prevent the adoption. The problem is could be the anonymity that company won't deal with.
You could have your profit in FIAT immediately by using a payment processor, they would charge their fees and pay you FIAT, Bitcoin's volatility is not an issue. all the merchants and all the people using Bitcoin and or any cryptocurrency for their advantages are making %2-3 of total daily transactions and trading volume. the remaining %97-98 are taking advantage on each other because there is no central authority to fear.

Is there a country without any government? they all have one, because people need centralization, the only mass adoption for cryptocurrency is the adoption of countries, masses are not capable of bypassing their governments.
legendary
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February 12, 2018, 03:23:00 AM
#17
I'm sure many merchants could make a Bitcoin adaption, but I believe they will sell the profit immediately. They just want a profit in FIAT. So I doubt the volatility will prevent the adoption. The problem is could be the anonymity that company won't deal with.
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February 12, 2018, 03:18:46 AM
#16
Many people do not want volatility and deflation system, but how can bitcoin operate smoothly if these system will not apply? Bitcoin cannot move a long life operation if volatility and deflation will not apply. It is the way on how the management provide a good balance system between users and operators.
I also wanted to prove that volatility of bitcoin makes the market equillibrium wherein the demand and supply affects the price of the bitcoin. The volatility of bitcoin makes us more profitable. I know that many speculations are against of its volatility but bitcoin will never be a good coin if the price of it will gradually move.
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February 12, 2018, 02:48:42 AM
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   Yes bitcoin volatility prevent adoption specialy for those company that only pay their worker at fixed salary and their business also affected.They can't use bitcoin for there company,because it is changeable,they are at risk everytime price drop. I think bitcoin is just invented for investment which is you can buy if price low and sell if the price is high for you to gain more profit.
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