Topic: Will Indonesian ban on sex outside marriage affect businesses adversely? (Read 501 times)

Indonesia's legislative arm has passed a new law that criminalizes sex before or outside marriage. People convicted of extramarital sex could face as much as one year in prison.
This law would also affect foreigners and tourists that came to visit the country. Some citizens of the country are protesting against this law. While others are seeing it as a welcome development.

Business owners in the country are lamenting that this law can discourage tourists from visiting the country which would affect their businesses negatively. I am also perceiving that this policy might also scare investors from investing in Indonesia. But some religious business owners are of the view that this policy would attract business to the country from other religious or conservative nations or investors.

What are your thoughts?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63869078

What are your thoughts?

And when talking about business. Maybe some businesses will be affected by this law. But only part of the business. And because this Law is not entirely new. so actually businesses in Indonesia are used to this. Actually, the punishment for sex outside of marriage in Indonesia is quite light when compared to Arab countries like Qatar, where the applicable sentence is 7 years in prison. Sourch : google

They are also banned from living together - an act for which people could be jailed for up to six months. Adultery will also be an offence for which people can be jailed.

Indonesia's legislative arm has passed a new law that criminalizes sex before or outside marriage. People convicted of extramarital sex could face as much as one year in prison.
This law would also affect foreigners and tourists that came to visit the country. Some citizens of the country are protesting against this law. While others are seeing it as a welcome development.

Business owners in the country are lamenting that this law can discourage tourists from visiting the country which would affect their businesses negatively. I am also perceiving that this policy might also scare investors from investing in Indonesia. But some religious business owners are of the view that this policy would attract business to the country from other religious or conservative nations or investors.

What are your thoughts?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63869078

There will be no adverse effects. This private life that belongs to the individual should not involve interests, and even if the law is not promulgated, you should respect yourself and others. Out of morality and your own upbringing, you should not have sex outside of marriage.

I wonder if this thinking is only for women? Women are disrespected if they have sex outside of marriage or premarital sex, so if men do such things, will they be humiliated by their families? I don't think it's fair if it's only for women.

I think this law is not easy to enforce, because power and money are difficult to manage, and some laws only control ordinary people, like the rich people nowadays, who are not afraid of the law and can bribe many people by means.

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however
this law was originally designed to stop child sex trafficking and prostitution.
(the big problem of indonesia)
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Actually this is not too difficult to uphold in my opinion, especially when talking about Indonesia where most of the population has the same belief and of course the majority of Indonesian citizens have a religion which clearly prohibits this. I don't think this is difficult.
As for the actual impact, it doesn't really affect me in my opinion because it depends on the intentions of the tourists whether they are only visiting for sex or indeed for other business purposes because when they say business and sex are two different things. We live where we have rules and when we are in this case we cannot rule out rules that are prohibited either by law or religion unless you really don't have both in you.

I wonder if this thinking is only for women? Women are disrespected if they have sex outside of marriage or premarital sex, so if men do such things, will they be humiliated by their families? I don't think it's fair if it's only for women.

Ah, I understand that those who are not Indonesians will definitely not understand too much about this one thing (the chastity of women is highly guarded in our culture).
there seems to be a very different culture and thinking here.
and it's normal if you don't understand what @naira means.

The chastity of women (virgin) is very important in Indonesia (for the majority of Indonesians). because it concerns the honor and self-esteem of the women themselves for Indonesian citizens.
even if a woman in a village has lost her virginity as a result of having sex outside of marriage and her family finds out about it. then the woman will be considered a disgrace to her family. even the honor of the family and the woman will fall. Even everyone around him will start to disrespect him. and think the woman is a cheap/despicable woman.
in a worse case, there will be many playboy men who will start flirting with the woman. in fact I don't think the majority of men in my area would want to marry a woman who was no longer a virgin. unless the woman is indeed a widow or a woman whose husband has divorced her. because in my area everyone thinks that if a woman cannot maintain her virginity before marriage then that woman is truly untrustworthy and despicable. in our culture, the chastity of women can only be obtained by a man who has married the woman.

because we really respect women. we can't just randomly have sex with women we like who we haven't married yet. even if we like each other. We men must first show our seriousness in caring for and loving these women through a bond and sacred agreement called marriage.
it's new from a man's point of view.

and I once witnessed how a woman here went crazy (disturbed/had madness) just because a man had taken her chastity and didn't want to be responsible (didn't marry her). he became stressed and fell into a deep depression until he finally went crazy.
So that good Indonesian women will always maintain their honor/chastity/virginity until they finally get married.
that is the moral that has existed in our culture since ancient times. coupled with the presence of the Islamic religion in the archipelago, our culture is very compatible with the Islamic religion which also matches the teachings of our ancestors so that Islam is very easily accepted by our ancestors and Islam has become my religion and the majority of our religion.

so that even without laws made by the government. then we Indonesian citizens who still uphold the culture and morals that have been taught long ago will definitely apply the same rules as contained in the law that was just passed.
so that the presence of this new law is actually very welcomed by us Indonesian citizens who still uphold our culture and morals.

But I can't deny that today a younger generation is starting to emerge who prefer to adopt a culture from outside that talks about human rights and all freedoms in life. yet it is still in the minority here.

I really appreciate the responses from all my friends who are not from Indonesia who of course feel strange and may not agree with the new law in our country. But don't worry because this law is for our country and we can accept it well. because this law is in accordance with the culture that we protect and also in accordance with the religion that we profess.

and don't worry if you want to visit as a tourist. because we, Indonesia, are always friendly to tourists and have a high sense of tolerance.

notes ; Chastity here is not about the hymen. because the hymen can even be lost due to extreme sports and accidents. but it's a matter of keeping from having sex before marriage.

It seems you are not comfortable with this topic because your reactions show that you are not pleased with the news. I am sorry for starting this discussion that seems to touch on the culture and tradition of your people.
But I was only trying to unveil the economic consequences of this law. Please accept my apology.

It is also very interesting to know that your culture promotes chastity which helps to discourage sex before marriage. My tribe also has respect for the same values. But my only reservation is why is it that these cultural practices are sometimes targeted at the women or female sex. Why would females be seen as outcastes because they had sex, while the men that had sex with them are seen as superheroes? As much as the men wants to marry virgins, the women also should enjoy the benefits of also marrying male virgins too. My culture also treats women as second-class humans due to some cultural practices and I am not in support of it.

Please, sir, I respect your tradition and have nothing against it but we are just sharing knowledge.

Ah, I understand that those who are not Indonesians will definitely not understand too much about this one thing (the chastity of women is highly guarded in our culture).
there seems to be a very different culture and thinking here.
and it's normal if you don't understand what @naira means.

The chastity of women (virgin) is very important in Indonesia (for the majority of Indonesians). because it concerns the honor and self-esteem of the women themselves for Indonesian citizens.
even if a woman in a village has lost her virginity as a result of having sex outside of marriage and her family finds out about it. then the woman will be considered a disgrace to her family. even the honor of the family and the woman will fall. Even everyone around him will start to disrespect him. and think the woman is a cheap/despicable woman.
in a worse case, there will be many playboy men who will start flirting with the woman. in fact I don't think the majority of men in my area would want to marry a woman who was no longer a virgin. unless the woman is indeed a widow or a woman whose husband has divorced her. because in my area everyone thinks that if a woman cannot maintain her virginity before marriage then that woman is truly untrustworthy and despicable. in our culture, the chastity of women can only be obtained by a man who has married the woman.

because we really respect women. we can't just randomly have sex with women we like who we haven't married yet. even if we like each other. We men must first show our seriousness in caring for and loving these women through a bond and sacred agreement called marriage.
it's new from a man's point of view.

and I once witnessed how a woman here went crazy (disturbed/had madness) just because a man had taken her chastity and didn't want to be responsible (didn't marry her). he became stressed and fell into a deep depression until he finally went crazy.
So that good Indonesian women will always maintain their honor/chastity/virginity until they finally get married.
that is the moral that has existed in our culture since ancient times. coupled with the presence of the Islamic religion in the archipelago, our culture is very compatible with the Islamic religion which also matches the teachings of our ancestors so that Islam is very easily accepted by our ancestors and Islam has become my religion and the majority of our religion.

so that even without laws made by the government. then we Indonesian citizens who still uphold the culture and morals that have been taught long ago will definitely apply the same rules as contained in the law that was just passed.
so that the presence of this new law is actually very welcomed by us Indonesian citizens who still uphold our culture and morals.

But I can't deny that today a younger generation is starting to emerge who prefer to adopt a culture from outside that talks about human rights and all freedoms in life. yet it is still in the minority here.

I really appreciate the responses from all my friends who are not from Indonesia who of course feel strange and may not agree with the new law in our country. But don't worry because this law is for our country and we can accept it well. because this law is in accordance with the culture that we protect and also in accordance with the religion that we profess.

and don't worry if you want to visit as a tourist. because we, Indonesia, are always friendly to tourists and have a high sense of tolerance.

notes; Chastity here is not about the hymen. because the hymen can even be lost due to extreme sports and accidents. but it's a matter of keeping from having sex before marriage.