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Topic: Will Merits get wasted if the account is banned? (Read 555 times)

legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 4282
eXch.cx - Automatic crypto Swap Exchange.
Opening a new account to earn merit is the way forward

Don't get misguided as opening a new account doesn't gaurantee your stay on the forum. if caught your case will be treated as a ban evasion which results to that account getting banned too. Officially a ban simply means you're no longer welcomed in the forum that includes your alts although an exception of just one which has to be used only for the purpose of an appeal is welcomed.
legendary
Activity: 3080
Merit: 1292
Hhampuz for Campaign management
I think we have gone further here with some repetitive answers, I think the OP has to close this thread as I believe answers have satisfied already the question.
jr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 4
When merit account is banned, the merits in it, it's all gone. I believe accounts are been banned with reason, maybe your friend go against bitcointalk rules for his account to get banned. Opening a new account to earn merit is the way forward
member
Activity: 80
Merit: 39
He did appeal for Unban but nothing happened. Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts.
hero member
Activity: 1246
Merit: 588
First of all, someone is not getting banned for no such reasons.

If I am not mistaken also the merit should not go to waste since even if the account got banned the post will remain and can still be read by other users who might need the information. Unless if the merited post was the reason why that certain account was banned (it might be plagiarized or etc.)


An appeal should be made to make it quite formal. Mods right now are quite open minded right now when it comes to perma ban appeals.
legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1427
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So he didn't feel bad about being banned, only about the 3 Merits? Let me guess: he can easily create another account, but getting more Merit is difficult? Just to be clear: creating another account to post anywhere else than in a ban-appeal thread is not allowed after a ban.

He felt bad that his account is banned even after not spamming or doing anything wrong. And where is the ban-appeal thread? Where he can find that?

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Also, I have one doubt, all the merits he earned is it lost?
Those Merits aren't lost, they're still used to highlight good posts.

But he tried to send his merits to some good posts but he was not allowed to send it.
If you're banned you're probably not going to be able to send them anymore, but the ones you received 'publicly' on your posts will still be visible.

There isn't a single thread. He either needs to open his own topic on this board, or send a PM/email to theymos. [email protected]

legendary
Activity: 2310
Merit: 4085
Farewell o_e_l_e_o
Such users mostly come from account farms, and they are don't care about their posts (contents, quality), or too lazy to spend a couple of minutes to read previous OPs, and previous posts, to brainstorm ideas, and to compose their on-topic posts; or they don't have enough time to do all those steps because they have hundreds accounts need to publish shit posts every day.
Either how good the poster becomes over the time, their primary intention would have been to spam, plagiarise and to get a higher rank certainly joining signature campaigns. If they would have come here for the sole purpose of contributing something they would have never copied other user's post.
Yes, it's different at somewhat extent, but there are common reason of plagiarsim. That is to steal words or ideas of others in order to get financial benefits. For whatever, signature campaigns, bounties (plagiarise to hit post quota); or to steal others words (such as Whitepaper, OPs, etc.) to lauch scam projects (for example).
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Copying from a news article without properly mentioning the source is completely different than copying a forum member's post. Jace Lee have used text spinning and tried to make the post as his own post which isn't really appreciated. I don't report newbies who forget to add a link to their post if they have shared a news article since in the beginning most of us wouldn't be really aware of posting a link.
legendary
Activity: 1584
Merit: 1280
Heisenberg Design Services
Most times many good posters probably started off in the forum as shit posters, and had one or two plagiarised posts, hence as they developed here and brushed up their posts, they forgot about those posts they copied and pasted at the beginning of their sojourn on the forum, and sadly if it's found, it's a permanent ban, it doesn't matter how useful they've become, the forum wouldn't bend it's rules for that, except on few occasions.

Either how good the poster becomes over the time, their primary intention would have been to spam, plagiarise and to get a higher rank certainly joining signature campaigns. If they would have come here for the sole purpose of contributing something they would have never copied other user's post. Copying from a news article without properly mentioning the source is completely different than copying a forum member's post. Jace Lee have used text spinning and tried to make the post as his own post which isn't really appreciated. I don't report newbies who forget to add a link to their post if they have shared a news article since in the beginning most of us wouldn't be really aware of posting a link.

Some prominent solid posters who were temporarily banned for plagiarism have copied other person's post and tried to make the post their own which certainly deserves a permaban even how good they would have changed over time and how well they have contributed to the community after that.
legendary
Activity: 3080
Merit: 1292
Hhampuz for Campaign management
The common reason is plagiarism, or what I can always see as their excuse is they don't know it was an offense and it was an old mistake.
Most times many good posters probably started off in the forum as shit posters, and had one or two plagiarised posts, hence as they developed here and brushed up their posts, they forgot about those posts they copied and pasted at the beginning of their sojourn on the forum, and sadly if it's found, it's a permanent ban, it doesn't matter how useful they've become, the forum wouldn't bend it's rules for that, except on few occasions.
There are members who got banned but made an appeal and actually they get their account back but with some restriction, like they can't use signature for years, but that's alright, I mean you'll accept that as the sentence was reduce. However, it's sad to say that majority didn't even care, they just accept and go, maybe create a new account and start from the beginning.
legendary
Activity: 2184
Merit: 1302
The common reason is plagiarism, or what I can always see as their excuse is they don't know it was an offense and it was an old mistake.
Most times many good posters probably started off in the forum as shit posters, and had one or two plagiarised posts, hence as they developed here and brushed up their posts, they forgot about those posts they copied and pasted at the beginning of their sojourn on the forum, and sadly if it's found, it's a permanent ban, it doesn't matter how useful they've become, the forum wouldn't bend it's rules for that, except on few occasions.
legendary
Activity: 2310
Merit: 4085
Farewell o_e_l_e_o
Based on my observation, there's a lot of accounts which are constructive posters but they are still banned.
The common reason is plagiarism, or what I can always see as their excuse is they don't know it was an offense and it was an old mistake.
Sadly the forum rules says the punishment of that is a perma ban.
Since the ban wave started around April this year, due to unknown plagiabot, lives become easier a little bit for perma-banned users. Only easier if they have good net effects, because if they are positive-net-effected users, they might get a second chance, with perma-ban uplifted, and replaced by temp-ban with signature ban for 1- or 2-year period. I think that kind of second chance is fair enough.
legendary
Activity: 3080
Merit: 1292
Hhampuz for Campaign management
I knew about the vphasitha01 because that guy and me was in the same race to Full Member rank. That guy actually hit Full Member rank before me, he/she is actually a constructive user, so I am curious why he/she banned permanenty. He/she even did not care to create ban appeal. I don't know that he/she knew about new procedure to unban constructive users whom have good net-effects or not. If yes, he/she might come back and create ban appeal.

Based on my observation, there's a lot of accounts which are constructive posters but they are still banned.
The common reason is plagiarism, or what I can always see as their excuse is they don't know it was an offense and it was an old mistake.
Sadly the forum rules says the punishment of that is a perma ban.
hero member
Activity: 2030
Merit: 578
No God or Kings, only BITCOIN.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51830829
That is the report of @Heisenberg_Hunter to the newbie member Jace Lee as you input it on the image below of who the member is.


He felt bad that his account is banned even after not spamming or doing anything wrong. And where is the ban-appeal thread? Where he can find that?
@Polina_21 your friend really did plagiarism, he can appeal though by creating a new account in the forum but posting is solely to the appeal and nothing else.
legendary
Activity: 2310
Merit: 4085
Farewell o_e_l_e_o
And how and where he can create appeal on "Meta"?
Creating only one account, and use only that account to create a ban appeal thread in Meta board.
Remember to give enough basic details of banned account:
- Account name
- Profile link
- Ban message, that includes type of bans (temporary or permanently); and potential reasons of bans (spamming, plagiarism, etc.).
- Most constructive posts and / or threads that user made before the ban. It will gives forum moderators proofs to assess that user's net effects. Staffs will do their own research, but it is also helpful if that user can show off his or her most constructive things. If he or she even can not find a single constructive post or thread, it means that user does not have good net effect.
member
Activity: 80
Merit: 39
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So he didn't feel bad about being banned, only about the 3 Merits? Let me guess: he can easily create another account, but getting more Merit is difficult? Just to be clear: creating another account to post anywhere else than in a ban-appeal thread is not allowed after a ban.

He felt bad that his account is banned even after not spamming or doing anything wrong. And where is the ban-appeal thread? Where he can find that?

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Also, I have one doubt, all the merits he earned is it lost?
Those Merits aren't lost, they're still used to highlight good posts.

But he tried to send his merits to some good posts but he was not allowed to send it.
member
Activity: 80
Merit: 39
I have not seen that banned accounts can send their sMerits out to others or not? Banned accounts can be used in view-mode only, and can not post anything, but to send sMerits, how about that? Just curious that banned accounts can be able to see Merit button or not, if they can see it, they can send their sMerits. If they can see Merit button, but can not send their sMerits, it is a bug of forum, and should be fixed by disbable merit button with banned accounts (permanently banned ones). For accounts that don't receive a single merit, they don't see Merit button.  Lips sealed

Yes, he can see the Merit button but he is not able to send sMerits to any posts. That is the problem!
member
Activity: 80
Merit: 39
He got a message saying that he is permanently banned probably due to spam or plagiarism. Attaching the image of the message he received -



And how and where he can create appeal on "Meta"? He did appeal on the email provided on the image but he did not get any response from them.

He tried giving merits to others and he is not able to give them as well, the merits are wasted.
legendary
Activity: 2310
Merit: 4085
Farewell o_e_l_e_o
I knew about the vphasitha01 because that guy and me was in the same race to Full Member rank. That guy actually hit Full Member rank before me, he/she is actually a constructive user, so I am curious why he/she banned permanenty. He/she even did not care to create ban appeal. I don't know that he/she knew about new procedure to unban constructive users whom have good net-effects or not. If yes, he/she might come back and create ban appeal.
legendary
Activity: 2730
Merit: 7065
Recently, one of my friends' bitcoin talk account got banned without any reason.
99% of banned accounts are banned without a reason according to the banned users.

I felt that if any account is banned, atleast some message should be displayed with proper reason for the Ban or a warning before a Ban. This will help them to know how they can improve on that.
If it is a permanent ban he surely received a message saying that he was banned for plagiarism or spamming (those are the most common reasons) and an email address where he can appeal the ban. 
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
Recently, one of my friends' bitcoin talk account got banned without any reason. He had earned 3 merits for his posts. He felt very bad about that.
So he didn't feel bad about being banned, only about the 3 Merits? Let me guess: he can easily create another account, but getting more Merit is difficult? Just to be clear: creating another account to post anywhere else than in a ban-appeal thread is not allowed after a ban.

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Also, I have one doubt, all the merits he earned is it lost?
Those Merits aren't lost, they're still used to highlight good posts.

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