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Topic: Will the Stealth BIP (Bitcoin Improvement Proposal) ever be done? - page 3. (Read 7068 times)

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So, in plain english what is the stealth bip and why should the average non-techie noob like me care? Is is a modification to make bitcoins more anonymous?  That is what it sounds like to me but I am not sure.

As I understand it in a basic way, the Stealth Address will help mitigate the problem of address reuse, though this may be an oversimplification of what it does.  
(One socially meaningful function that people could really appreciate right away is that stealth addresses would likely make a straightforward and guilt-free way for a organization (non-profit for example) to post such an address to receive donations, as they would not then be revealing a bunch of information about the donors [and others in the network] every time someone donates to the organization.)

Why should you care?  Essentially it's from a privacy angle, as that address reuse is done then this conveys information about you and others in the network.  One could measure the extent to which you may be compromising privacy of others in the network based on your actions but without getting into that here, suffice it to say, address reuse isn't that great for the privacy of the network, and if wallets had support for stealth addresses, and if people had the ability to choose to use stealth or not to use it, depending upon their preferences of course, then that would be a good thing.

It's actually not what I would call "anonymity" because the use of Stealth as described wouldn't result in anonymity per se (IMHO).  I believe it would actually result in enhanced privacy.    From the original paper by Peter Todd, "The txin's owned by the payor are not revealed to the payee. In fact, they could be held by a third-party who simply makes a transaction with the appropriate txouts on behalf of the payee. (...) Less information about the txouts is leaked."  I don't consider such developments anonymous actually, but it's a pretty good privacy scheme.  Here's what I believe to be the first ever successful stealth transaction:
https://blockchain.info/tx/63e75e43de21b73d7eb0220ce44dcfa5fc7717a8decebb254b31ef13047fa518
Notice that there are things you can see about it.  It's certainly not fully anonymous, from my perspective.

OK, the final part of your question was, BIP.  What is the stealth BIP?  That's the Bitcoin Improvement Proposal.  Stealth has been suggested to be made as a Bitcoin Improvement Proposal so that this would have support in bitcoin / core.  The process lays out ideas that would help improvements happen and the developers vet them.  There's a 'readme' that covers that here:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/README.mediawiki

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So, in plain english what is the stealth bip and why should the average non-techie noob like me care? Is is a modification to make bitcoins more anonymous?  That is what it sounds like to me but I am not sure.
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Wouldn't this get more useful responses in the dev & nerd section?

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Wouldn't this get more useful responses in the dev & nerd section?
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It seems like there have been endless delays and what appear to be "development arguments" which have hindered what could have been, by now, development of Stealth, or more precisely, the Stealth BIP (BIP number 63).

You can see a recent remark of mine on this subject in the Bitcoin repository here in which I linked to a twitter thread where developers discussed this issue:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/5783#issuecomment-109680602

Indeed, here in the Electrum repository, on Jan. 11, 2015, dabura667 remarked,
"Will re-open once Stealth is settled on. It keeps having "its the last change" over and over again... so I'll wait til it is a BIP.
I will keep my branch up to date with the latest Dark Wallet version in case someone wants to use the commits."
https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/pull/817#issuecomment-69489090

On the other hand, nothing is keeping someone from actually writing the BIP, as it seems like "all they would need to do" is communicate with Peter Todd and Greg Maxwell to ask if they could actually write it up as per the procedure at bitcoin/bips:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips
Here's the archived proposal from Peter Todd for Stealth Addresses, with acknowledgments:
http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/31813471/

Since it's already been assigned a number, why not just have it now published to github at bitcoin/bips and move ahead, and the other technical issues could be worked on further at the draft stage.  It seems logical to see it move forward at this time.  Please feel free to tell me here why it should not be published at this time or why I am a blithering idiot. :-)

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