Actually, at least when I heard about Covid passports, they didn't just refer to being vaccinated, although it seems that way from the title:
"How will the EU vaccine passport work?
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The certificate, either digital or on paper, will enable anyone vaccinated against Covid, or who has tested negative, or recently recovered from the virus, to travel across all 27 member states."
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56522408
So there are three ways to get it, not just the vaccine. The easiest way if you don't like vaccines is to get tested.
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I would prefer to be in a plane load of unvaccinated people, than one that is full of people with reduced immunity, and thus other health problems.
My opinion on that is vaccine passports might be useful only on flying from country to country. Not really as a tool for curtailing your freedoms in your own country by being associated with the unvaccined. Imagine you need a vaccine passport to enter a province or a town. Then you would not be able to enter the province without a vaccine passport. That is bad. Because your freedom to move freely in your own country is also stifled. So I guess I want vaccine passport only for country to country access.
Crap. now that I know that you are 78 proving you wrong is no longer fun.
Surely my being 78 with no health problems adds veracity to my comments.
Oh dear!
The current testing is crap, and doesn't test for immunity. People like me with strong immunity are virus killers, unlike the vaccinated with lower protection and reduced immunity. I don't fear the virus, and variants of Corona Viruses have been around all my life (78 years), and I have never had more than a sniffle. I won't be messing up my health by allowing vaccination, and those who fear the virus, should address their underlying health issues that make them vulnerable. You invest in your health, and like any investment, you should do your own research, and not listen to propagandists that have vested interests.
The current testing is crap, and doesn't test for immunity. People like me with strong immunity are virus killers, unlike the vaccinated with lower protection and reduced immunity. I don't fear the virus, and variants of Corona Viruses have been around all my life (78 years), and I have never had more than a sniffle. I won't be messing up my health by allowing vaccination, and those who fear the virus, should address their underlying health issues that make them vulnerable. You invest in your health, and like any investment, you should do your own research, and not listen to propagandists that have vested interests.
As usual... any serious evidence of any of your assertions? Other than that, I insist that you start kissing COVID patients to test your theories.
Crap. now that I know that you are 78 proving you wrong is no longer fun.
Oh dear!
The current testing is crap, and doesn't test for immunity. People like me with strong immunity are virus killers, unlike the vaccinated with lower protection and reduced immunity. I don't fear the virus, and variants of Corona Viruses have been around all my life (78 years), and I have never had more than a sniffle. I won't be messing up my health by allowing vaccination, and those who fear the virus, should address their underlying health issues that make them vulnerable. You invest in your health, and like any investment, you should do your own research, and not listen to propagandists that have vested interests.
The current testing is crap, and doesn't test for immunity. People like me with strong immunity are virus killers, unlike the vaccinated with lower protection and reduced immunity. I don't fear the virus, and variants of Corona Viruses have been around all my life (78 years), and I have never had more than a sniffle. I won't be messing up my health by allowing vaccination, and those who fear the virus, should address their underlying health issues that make them vulnerable. You invest in your health, and like any investment, you should do your own research, and not listen to propagandists that have vested interests.
... Some virologists are of the opinion that as many as 95% of the population have innate immunity to the whole family of Corona viruses. ...
Any evidence please? Is this like your mucus theory? Did you go to a COVID plant without a mask to test it already?
The passports are a great idea, it will prevent people like you travel untested with people who have opted to get a vaccine to avoid killing others.
Ah, that reminded me of good old days of working in Africa and having one of these (well they were different those days, no QR codes etc LOL) for my travels. If I go through piles of my old papers I might find it, blow the dust off and use it for brand new Covid stamp
My first booklet is a pale pink colour because the ((as it turns out) unregistered) nurse in the first aid room at my work place thought it'd be a great idea for the booklets to be pink when she was ordering them... It wasn't until I went to a travel doctor that I was given a correct colour booklet. Now I've got three mostly full booklets and have turned up at pharmacies here in Oz and a GP's and a pharmacy in NZ and gotten various jabs (pneumonia, flu, tetanus etc) and none blink when I hand over the booklet, they just add the relevant information and sign.
Like the jabs themselves, very quick, very easy and very convenient to carry with you when traveling.
We have a proposal in the UK that vaccine passports should be created. This seems to be under serious consideration by our government. The passports will certify that a person has received a Covid vaccination, or that he/she has developed natural immunity, or has recovered from a recent Covid infection. Some virologists are of the opinion that as many as 95% of the population have innate immunity to the whole family of Corona viruses. If this is born out by the passport testing, will it lead to a realisation that vaccinations are not required for protection against the virus?
You've obviously never had a vaccine in your life, otherwise you would be aware of the World Health Organisation's International Certificates of Vaccinations Booklets that have been around for decades. I live in Australia and everything from my Influenza, Pneumonia and similar annual jabs through to Yellow Fever, Rabies and Tetanus shots can all be recorded.
Check out Smart Vaccination Certificate Working Group for more information.
Ah, that reminded me of good old days of working in Africa and having one of these (well they were different those days, no QR codes etc LOL) for my travels. If I go through piles of my old papers I might find it, blow the dust off and use it for brand new Covid stamp
This is the first news I have had. Insulin resistance is a serious problem and is mainly due to eating too often and eating too many carbohydrates, mainly sugars.
Regarding Covid, what happens is the opposite, people who have insulin resistance are more prone to develop a serious clinical picture of COVID-19 as well as other diseases, but not the other way around.
I don't know if you can back that up what you say, I guess not, as usual.
Thank you for backing up what I said.
Some virologists are of the opinion that as many as 95% of the population have innate immunity to the whole family of Corona viruses.
Please don't believe everything you read -- especially just because it validates your beliefs.
If 95% of the population is immune to corona viruses, then we could not have had a SARS-CoV-2 pandemic.
And people would also not be getting sick from other corona viruses such as 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1.
At 95% immunity, transmission from one person to any other person is very unlikely, so it could not spread like it does, and therefore the claim cannot be true.
Hmm...
That was very awkward to read.
Not sure if you're Trolling or not. Either way, I don't think you should be spreading misinformation (unless of course you can cite genuine (i.e. non-antivax rhetoric) research that has been peer reviewed).
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Nobody has died from not having the vaccine, although some have died from various medical problems such as insulin resistance, and these are being attributed to the Covid virus.
This is the first news I have had. Insulin resistance is a serious problem and is mainly due to eating too often and eating too many carbohydrates, mainly sugars.
Regarding Covid, what happens is the opposite, people who have insulin resistance are more prone to develop a serious clinical picture of COVID-19 as well as other diseases, but not the other way around.
I don't know if you can back that up what you say, I guess not, as usual.
Smoking Pot?
Why would I need to smoke pot? I don't smoke anything, so I haven't destroyed my smell and taste buds, or reduced my libido. I can enjoy the smell and taste of a woman, and I don't have to rely on artificial stimuli to enhance a mechanical copulation.
Vaccination doesn't protect you from Covid, all it does is to weaken your immune system, and fool it into creating antibodies for a synthetic virus. It relies in your weakened innate immune system to protect you from the real virus. It isn't the number of people who survive vaccination that matters, it is the numbers who are damaged or die from these vaccines that are important. Nobody has died from not having the vaccine, although some have died from various medical problems such as insulin resistance, and these are being attributed to the Covid virus.
In reality, a store such as Primark which plans to insist on requiring vaccination for its customers, that poses more of a health risk than a store that has a general mix of the population. They will have a higher level of Covid immunity. Of course we can expect to see government insistence on passports with mobile apps as verification. This has nothing to do with health, but is another way to install trojans in our computing devices.
You've obviously never had a vaccine in your life,
Not during the last 60 years. That's probably why I don't get 'flu or other viruses/sickness. I don't take any pharma medication either, and that includes anti-biotics, antacids or pain killers. I do drink coffee and quality alcohol, although I have cut down on the alcohol as I spend so much time in the van.
Smoking Pot?
Getting a vaccination is a requirement to travel to certain parts of the world to prevent contracting virus' already present in that region. Certain countries or even airlines and cruise liners might require you to be inoculated prior to travel and the proof is in the documents you have (such as the Vaccine Certificate Booklet I mentioned earlier).
Will a vaccine prevent further outbreaks? It already has for virus' such as Polio, Small Pox and similar. If you're sixty, then you would have heard of the Polio/Chicken Pox etc Vaccinations when you were quite young.
You've obviously never had a vaccine in your life,
Not during the last 60 years. That's probably why I don't get 'flu or other viruses/sickness. I don't take any pharma medication either, and that includes anti-biotics, antacids or pain killers. I do drink coffee and quality alcohol, although I have cut down on the alcohol as I spend so much time in the van.
We have a proposal in the UK that vaccine passports should be created. This seems to be under serious consideration by our government. The passports will certify that a person has received a Covid vaccination, or that he/she has developed natural immunity, or has recovered from a recent Covid infection. Some virologists are of the opinion that as many as 95% of the population have innate immunity to the whole family of Corona viruses. If this is born out by the passport testing, will it lead to a realisation that vaccinations are not required for protection against the virus?
You've obviously never had a vaccine in your life, otherwise you would be aware of the World Health Organisation's International Certificates of Vaccinations Booklets that have been around for decades. I live in Australia and everything from my Influenza, Pneumonia and similar annual jabs through to Yellow Fever, Rabies and Tetanus shots can all be recorded.
Check out Smart Vaccination Certificate Working Group for more information.
'privacy'??
when you have vaccine its done by a medical centre who have medical records anyway.
yep they know your name and health history already so marking a record that you had a vaccine changes nothing.. thats how medical record have always worked..
they simply put it on your medical record. and separately for privacy reasons put just the vaccination detail on a separate database
when you book a flight and get on a plane. the airline already knew your name and home address and bank details anyway(you booked and paid for the flight)
being told you been vaccinated does not mean they know your entire medical history
giving them your credit card number doesnt give them your entire bank statement history
..
the schemes are not about giving a bar owner access to your whole life of bank records and medical history
its just a scheme for airlines to know just about vaccination. not the other medical stuff
they are not accessing your medical records they are getting the data from a separate database of only the vaccine
if your concerned about governments
even without a vaccine database. the government can still get a warrant for bank details .. and a warrant for medical records and learn your whole life history
the vaccine database does not have your bank details. nor your medical record. so it doesnt make any difference
if you think that the vaccine database reveals your name.. well stop crying because you already provided your name when you booked the flight. yep airlines have always known the names of people flying on their planes
having a vaccine and that recorded on a vaccine database does not reveal you went on a plane. just vaccine related data
again governments will still need to piece your medical records and your bank history and your flight history by getting a warrant for all 3 separate things from different departments
the vaccine database does not reveal those other things in one place
but im going to emphasise this
governments can work out alot about you by looking at all the other things. its never been about they cant. its about that you are (if not involved in a crime) not important enough for them to get data from your hospital/bank/airline
a vaccine database does not make you less private in any way
yep ill emphasise this again
you are not important enough for them to even bother investigating so they are not even bothering to build a case against you of your whole life....... unless your a criminal of interest
..
the only fear i think anti-vaxx idiots should fear.. is that while publicly saying they are anti-vax. if their cult leaders hacked the vaccine database and found out which of their 'devoted' followers secretly had the vaccine. thus being removed from the anti-vax cult. and losing their 'friendships' in their cultish community
when you have vaccine its done by a medical centre who have medical records anyway.
yep they know your name and health history already so marking a record that you had a vaccine changes nothing.. thats how medical record have always worked..
they simply put it on your medical record. and separately for privacy reasons put just the vaccination detail on a separate database
when you book a flight and get on a plane. the airline already knew your name and home address and bank details anyway(you booked and paid for the flight)
being told you been vaccinated does not mean they know your entire medical history
giving them your credit card number doesnt give them your entire bank statement history
..
the schemes are not about giving a bar owner access to your whole life of bank records and medical history
its just a scheme for airlines to know just about vaccination. not the other medical stuff
they are not accessing your medical records they are getting the data from a separate database of only the vaccine
if your concerned about governments
even without a vaccine database. the government can still get a warrant for bank details .. and a warrant for medical records and learn your whole life history
the vaccine database does not have your bank details. nor your medical record. so it doesnt make any difference
if you think that the vaccine database reveals your name.. well stop crying because you already provided your name when you booked the flight. yep airlines have always known the names of people flying on their planes
having a vaccine and that recorded on a vaccine database does not reveal you went on a plane. just vaccine related data
again governments will still need to piece your medical records and your bank history and your flight history by getting a warrant for all 3 separate things from different departments
the vaccine database does not reveal those other things in one place
but im going to emphasise this
governments can work out alot about you by looking at all the other things. its never been about they cant. its about that you are (if not involved in a crime) not important enough for them to get data from your hospital/bank/airline
a vaccine database does not make you less private in any way
yep ill emphasise this again
you are not important enough for them to even bother investigating so they are not even bothering to build a case against you of your whole life....... unless your a criminal of interest
..
the only fear i think anti-vaxx idiots should fear.. is that while publicly saying they are anti-vax. if their cult leaders hacked the vaccine database and found out which of their 'devoted' followers secretly had the vaccine. thus being removed from the anti-vax cult. and losing their 'friendships' in their cultish community
We have a proposal in the UK that vaccine passports should be created. This seems to be under serious consideration by our government. The passports will certify that a person has received a Covid vaccination, or that he/she has developed natural immunity, or has recovered from a recent Covid infection. Some virologists are of the opinion that as many as 95% of the population have innate immunity to the whole family of Corona viruses. If this is born out by the passport testing, will it lead to a realisation that vaccinations are not required for protection against the virus?
It may be a good idea on paper but I'm thinking of the privacy and ethical implications that come with this "passport". We all know they'll be collecting more data than they need to, just take a look at the most recent data breaches in the news. Countries that mandate this vaccine will be met with some type of resistance. I wouldn't be surprised if an underground market emerges to obtain 'certifications' in these areas.
I can get faked documents on craigs list and on ebay.
We have a proposal in the UK that vaccine passports should be created. This seems to be under serious consideration by our government. The passports will certify that a person has received a Covid vaccination, or that he/she has developed natural immunity, or has recovered from a recent Covid infection. Some virologists are of the opinion that as many as 95% of the population have innate immunity to the whole family of Corona viruses. If this is born out by the passport testing, will it lead to a realisation that vaccinations are not required for protection against the virus?
It may be a good idea on paper but I'm thinking of the privacy and ethical implications that come with this "passport". We all know they'll be collecting more data than they need to, just take a look at the most recent data breaches in the news. Countries that mandate this vaccine will be met with some type of resistance. I wouldn't be surprised if an underground market emerges to obtain 'certifications' in these areas.
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