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So my questions is, if casinos see this, why don't they try to invest some money into developing actually playable video games? Stake is investing a ton of money on a game streaming platform for instance, seemingly trying to draw that crowd. Maybe a different casino could draw even more people with a decent game. Don't you think?
people who usually gamble don't prioritise the intensive graphics or interactive features they just want to keep things simple and most focus is on the money part, by keeping the games simple it allows the platform to reach every kind of devices cause it runs online but it will be internet speed demanding if they want to host high graphics in real time.

But it could be seperate niche to attract the gamers if they casinos want to invest on developing a game that could fulfill the gaming experience as well.
This is a very good explanation. OP think about games like Minecraft and Cyberpunk 2077. Minecraft is very easy to develop while Cyberpunk took lots of budget, lots of people in the team and lots of hardwork. Minecraft is so easy game that it can be created by a single person but let me ask you, which game generates the most revenue? Minecraft. It's not always hard work that pays off, it's smart work. Like user said above me, people don't prioritize intensive graphics and interactive features, so that is the reason why they keep games very simple.
I am an UI/UX designer and I always try to make things simple because that's what people like. I myself love fancy design and graphical content but in reality customers don't care about that, they want to everything be as easy and simple as possible.
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Most gamblers are not too interested in interaction, especially for people like me, I prefer games that are very simple and instant, interaction online would be a hassle unlike physical casinos.
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You are right mate, I think it's better the way it is, so that if one is on  the casino, they will know that they are to wager some money, while video game is just extremely for fun. OP speak of how boring some of the games already become but didn't also realized that even if the video games he wants is being added, he can still get boring after some year. That's why I said it's better the way it is.
Yes, you and I may be the same about how gambling games and video games are different.
But the OP may want to experience a different experience due to the limitations of gambling games.
But after all it is everyone's preference and cannot be equalized.

If there is a game developer who embeds gambling games in his game, maybe it can happen.
Like the GTA V Game with the best video game graphics and of course in several places in the GTA V Game world there are casinos that can be played.
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If the casino sees an opportunity to gain a lot of profit of course they will start investing in developing video games as you mentioned, but isn't it the game provider who usually invests in developing a video game? So if there is a game provider that has developed then the casino will add it to their game.
It is rare for a casino to develop their own game usually they only use video games from providers because their development will focus more on promotion.
I have played slots that were developed by the casino and it can be said that they are less interesting in terms of graphics, sound and others, because it is not easy to develop a game.
It's possible that a casino can develop its own video game. What they need to do is to have another development team that would focus on that part. If it comes to money they have more than enough to cover for the development processes. Also, collaborating with a game provider can be a bit less stressful so what they need to do is to integrate the API and pay the provider regularly.

There lots of video game developers out there who are skilled and are looking for opportunities to showcase their talent.
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If you go in an online casino and try to find the most video game like gambling game, probably you'll end up playing slots.
Slots have nice animations, sometimes even feature very well drawn and animated characters etc.
The issue is that they're very repetitive. So I wouldn't call them a video game.

Now with crypto, there have been many attempts to create actual video games that tie with spending money.
You could call it gambling also. Some notable examples like Axie Infinity and Mir2 have integrated the NFT element with some success.

Other games have had success with in-game cash based purchases for years. See for example:
10 Most Expensive In-Game Items Ever Sold

You'll notice that most of these is Entropia Universe... Maybe you'll enjoy this short documentary-like video about Entropia Universe then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTPLp5u3iSU
Entropia has largely been compared to gambling, although the publisher denies it. Yet they're quite successful at getting money from their player base. And it's a real game. You're free to interact within the game, although to do anything enjoyable you'd have to fork over a lot of cash.

So my questions is, if casinos see this, why don't they try to invest some money into developing actually playable video games? Stake is investing a ton of money on a game streaming platform for instance, seemingly trying to draw that crowd. Maybe a different casino could draw even more people with a decent game. Don't you think?

Because of the time which is the money. Casinos want to make  fast money. Slots  is the lightning way to get money for them while playable video games may last "virtually for ages" to result in profit at the end. (Take Civilization for instance. If it were adopted  by casino the relevant  battles in it could last for weeks with the inconclusive outcome).] (Take Civilization for instance. If it were adopted  by casino the relevant  battles in it could last for weeks with the inconclusive outcome).
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Slots have nice animations, sometimes even feature very well drawn and animated characters etc.
The issue is that they're very repetitive. So I wouldn't call them a video game.

The main problem that you need to understand is that high-level games require high-end devices to run smoothly. Sadly, not all have high-end devices, and hence, they won’t gamble on these games. The games provider knows this well and hence just does minor changes to the slot games. These types of slot games run on normal browser PCs with low graphics cards. For this also, you see almost all the slots games are similar from one particular provider.
A casino that uses high-quality video and animation throughout is expected to run a system device that supports the video experience. There is some system devices meant for any gaming, and that's where a gambler can enjoy the full experience of the casino. However, that's going to be bad for the business. In as much as they want huge users on their platform, they have to keep things sleek. With high-quality images and little animation, they can still achieve that video experience. It all falls to the experience and level of the UI designer who was hired.

There are websites you will come across you will notice the kind of animations and futuristic design that is there. It's not about gaming devices its all about the designer using assets that can portray the gaming experience.
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If casino thinks they need to develop playable video games to attract more people, they will do that and follow the trend. But as long as they don't see the needs to develop that, they will not do that and maybe they can add that to the next update. When they have so many gambling games on their site and each games can attract many people attentions, they will just focus to promote that so they will have more and more members. Developing a new video games needs more budget and they need to discuss that to the developing division before they can decide and research will be necessary to do.
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Because it is very difficult to compete with platforms that develop full-fledged games and develop the P2E direction, this is a whole direction in which there is huge competition. And I am almost sure that for casinos this is not so important, because they already have enough directions to attract players. Moreover, in my opinion, these are different directions, in P2E players often come to play and earn money during the game without investments and the gameplay is also important for them, and in gambling, the player comes with money and tries to increase it, this is a completely different way of thinking.
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I think the costs and the manufacturing duration has became an the main factor why the casinos didn't interested to investing their money to build video game because if i am not mistaken to build 1 game they have to spend a lot of money and the developers have to spend approximatelly $100-$500 per hour besides that the duration to make the video game is very long it took up to 4 months so investing at the video game project is very risky for the casinos because to build 1 game it is very expensive and takes a long time to make besides that there is no guarantee the video game which they made will be successfull to attract people to playing and most likely it could be failed project if those video games will be less of popular and lack of players
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So my questions is, if casinos see this, why don't they try to invest some money into developing actually playable video games?

Probably because it's too expensive. Most online casinos implement pre-made gambling games, that are made by big gambling game providers.
It's cheaper for the casinos to do this, instead of investing money in building a great gambling video game from scratch.
Mixing gambling and gaming hasn't been successful so far, most because most video games are skill-based, while the gambling games are based on luck(maybe except poker). Maybe the gambling games are supposed to be repetitive. This is one of the elements that leads to the gambler getting addicted to the game.
I totally don't care about fancy animations and shiny images, when I'm playing gambling games on an online casino. Yes, it looks good, but I just don't care about it.
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Slots have nice animations, sometimes even feature very well drawn and animated characters etc.
The issue is that they're very repetitive. So I wouldn't call them a video game.

The main problem that you need to understand is that high-level games require high-end devices to run smoothly. Sadly, not all have high-end devices, and hence, they won’t gamble on these games. The games provider knows this well and hence just does minor changes to the slot games. These types of slot games run on normal browser PCs with low graphics cards. For this also, you see almost all the slots games are similar from one particular provider.
You are right. Ordinary users do not have high-performance graphics cards, which is why slot game developers come up with usable solutions for ordinary device, which are mostly simple and easy to use. However, the tendency to get used to high-level games awakens a different feeling among users, which makes playing those games more lively. I think if those who are used to playing slot games can equip their device with high-performance graphics cards, they will be able to keep themselves ahead with various searches in addition to peace of mind. In addition, by playing those slot games, the chances of users winning can increase.
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If the casino sees an opportunity to gain a lot of profit of course they will start investing in developing video games as you mentioned, but isn't it the game provider who usually invests in developing a video game? So if there is a game provider that has developed then the casino will add it to their game.
It is rare for a casino to develop their own game usually they only use video games from providers because their development will focus more on promotion.
I have played slots that were developed by the casino and it can be said that they are less interesting in terms of graphics, sound and others, because it is not easy to develop a game.
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Slots have nice animations, sometimes even feature very well drawn and animated characters etc.
The issue is that they're very repetitive. So I wouldn't call them a video game.

The main problem that you need to understand is that high-level games require high-end devices to run smoothly. Sadly, not all have high-end devices, and hence, they won’t gamble on these games. The games provider knows this well and hence just does minor changes to the slot games. These types of slot games run on normal browser PCs with low graphics cards. For this also, you see almost all the slots games are similar from one particular provider.
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Develop games cost a lot of money and effort, after the games has been launched, there's no guarantee it will be successful.

Casinos are more care with their marketing and reputation since both of them are two biggest reasons why they will successful. In any casino, the games are same, the gameplay are same too. But, the difference is just the brands.
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So my questions is, if casinos see this, why don't they try to invest some money into developing actually playable video games? Stake is investing a ton of money on a game streaming platform for instance, seemingly trying to draw that crowd. Maybe a different casino could draw even more people with a decent game. Don't you think?
The only constraint I can think of here is money and the consideration of whether or not the investment is worth it. Stakes is indeed spending enough on streaming, but this is different from developing a game from scratch or having to be forced to partner for that same purpose with more capital to part ways with. This will undeniably be a success in my opinion but the angle of business of individual varies. Streaming investment can't be as expensive as that and it's driving so much audience and huge money is being made. Is it not money that would be made in such games too? That may dissuade one from pushing further, especially on something you do not know the outcome yet.
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If you go in an online casino and try to find the most video game like gambling game, probably you'll end up playing slots.
Slots have nice animations, sometimes even feature very well drawn and animated characters etc.
The issue is that they're very repetitive. So I wouldn't call them a video game.

Now with crypto, there have been many attempts to create actual video games that tie with spending money.
You could call it gambling also. Some notable examples like Axie Infinity and Mir2 have integrated the NFT element with some success.

Other games have had success with in-game cash based purchases for years. See for example:
10 Most Expensive In-Game Items Ever Sold

You'll notice that most of these is Entropia Universe... Maybe you'll enjoy this short documentary-like video about Entropia Universe then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTPLp5u3iSU
Entropia has largely been compared to gambling, although the publisher denies it. Yet they're quite successful at getting money from their player base. And it's a real game. You're free to interact within the game, although to do anything enjoyable you'd have to fork over a lot of cash.

So my questions is, if casinos see this, why don't they try to invest some money into developing actually playable video games? Stake is investing a ton of money on a game streaming platform for instance, seemingly trying to draw that crowd. Maybe a different casino could draw even more people with a decent game. Don't you think?

Personally, I had the experience of switching from playing roulette to computer games.

I used computer games to overcome gambling addiction. I succeeded. Personally, I came to the conclusion that gambling and video games are different types of human activity. It is possible that when playing roulette and video games, a person even uses different parts of the brain. In the first case, the main thing is excitement, in the second, orientation on the terrain and the visual component.

Therefore, most likely, the managers of online casinos consciously made this decision. They do not want the visual component to distract players from betting.
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If you go in an online casino and try to find the most video game like gambling game, probably you'll end up playing slots.
Slots have nice animations, sometimes even feature very well drawn and animated characters etc.
The issue is that they're very repetitive. So I wouldn't call them a video game.

Now with crypto, there have been many attempts to create actual video games that tie with spending money.
You could call it gambling also. Some notable examples like Axie Infinity and Mir2 have integrated the NFT element with some success.

Other games have had success with in-game cash based purchases for years. See for example:
10 Most Expensive In-Game Items Ever Sold

You'll notice that most of these is Entropia Universe... Maybe you'll enjoy this short documentary-like video about Entropia Universe then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTPLp5u3iSU
Entropia has largely been compared to gambling, although the publisher denies it. Yet they're quite successful at getting money from their player base. And it's a real game. You're free to interact within the game, although to do anything enjoyable you'd have to fork over a lot of cash.

So my questions is, if casinos see this, why don't they try to invest some money into developing actually playable video games? Stake is investing a ton of money on a game streaming platform for instance, seemingly trying to draw that crowd. Maybe a different casino could draw even more people with a decent game. Don't you think?

I also think that Stake is trying in vain to get that crowd no matter how much they are spending, their level of players online has come down drastically in days where there is no bonuses, so the only days they have a lot of people is today when the Weekly bonus is being distributed at 14:30 European time and whenever the Monthly bonus is waiting to come in, usually in the middle of the month. I think this money can be spent better for example into developing such games, multiplayer games where players are given some edge just like they have done in Poker and their poker is having massive success because of this very multiplayer implementation. Anything that is added to a casino stack of games and that is welcome by the majority of players or is something they are waiting for cannot be anything by success, this depends uniquely in the casino, what they are going to do.
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So my questions is, if casinos see this, why don't they try to invest some money into developing actually playable video games? Stake is investing a ton of money on a game streaming platform for instance, seemingly trying to draw that crowd. Maybe a different casino could draw even more people with a decent game. Don't you think?

The cost of developing their own game is too expensive while they only need to add 3rd party game providers for their games without that the need to spend big time. Gamblers is already enjoying on the current casino games while casino already have a good profit.

I don’t see the point to develop their own game that work like video game experience while the current games available are cheap and already driving good profit.

Casino is popular to gamblers because of simple games that can give a result instantly.
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The first thing is I don't want to fork over a lot of cash to enjoy gambling. I prefer with the existing games in the casino and don't want to test a new game for a while.Those games already satisfied me for playing gambling so I don't need to have a new video games. Besides that, I often playing slot and with so many providers in the casino, that will not enough for me to test all of them. But the other casino like Stake maybe can investing a ton of money on a game streaming but still, I don't want to try it now. I think to enjoy that game, we must use a specific tool that support that game and usually the price is expensive so I need to wait until the price is cheap.
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Now with crypto, there have been many attempts to create actual video games that tie with spending money.
You could call it gambling also. Some notable examples like Axie Infinity and Mir2 have integrated the NFT element with some success.
Well if it’s just spending money, there are already many video games like that. Almost all video games allow you to spend money some require you even. Whether it’s to level up or just purchase a tool, you’re spending money on the video game.

But with crypto, gamefi, is more associated to earning money which has not been very explored before in these other video games. Most of the time these video games people spend on are just for entertainment and not played to earn unlike gamefi video games.

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So my questions is, if casinos see this, why don't they try to invest some money into developing actually playable video games? Stake is investing a ton of money on a game streaming platform for instance, seemingly trying to draw that crowd. Maybe a different casino could draw even more people with a decent game. Don't you think?
I am guessing it would cost a lot and could affect the performance of the overall casino. They have games and betting events that a platform can run slow sometimes I can’t imagine how it would work with an actual playable video games. All the factors to run the game might be too much to put in one platform where there are also other games that operate.
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