Topic: Will we ever have a succesfull video game level experience? - page 3. (Read 719 times)

You are right mate, I think it's better the way it is, so that if one is on  the casino, they will know that they are to wager some money, while video game is just extremely for fun. OP speak of how boring some of the games already become but didn't also realized that even if the video games he wants is being added, he can still get boring after some year. That's why I said it's better the way it is.

In fact, many videogames can be monetized, either via streaming, selling items, etc. but I personally wouldn't encourage a friend to try to make money that way (although he/she will eventually try if that's what he/she wants).

But this topic is more about some kind of in-game gambling instead, or games in online casinos more exciting than simple slots. And I'd like to present the question the other way round: instead of including video games in online casinos, I think that the future trend will be to increase the presence of casinos in videogames, metaverses, etc.

I remember that gambling machines were everywhere in Second Life, and it was more than 15 years ago, so the potential of creating new things in this field is huge, with full lands dedicated to virtual casinos, if the renewed interest in the metaverse finally kicks in.

The best, as they say, will always be the enemy of the good. Why should a casino improve something that already brings them good money? But if we talk about video games, I would agree with you very much. Watching my husband spend hours playing video games, I just feel sorry for the time he wastes. But if these games could be monetized, I would probably force him to play even more.

Technically, making a gambling game at the level of video games is most likely not very difficult. It seems to me that there is a deep difference in the game mechanics and in the very essence that distinguishes gambling from ordinary games.
This is a mandatory gambling session (round). Psychologically, this corresponds to an increase in emotional tension and then a discharge, either positive or negative.
And the second is the simplicity of the rules and game mechanics. Ordinary video games usually have a plot, which already seems to interfere with the session. In addition, the game mechanics are always more complicated than slots or roulette. These are the reasons, in my opinion, that separate these games.

I think when a game can be used to make money, it's always related to competitive games, which mean not everyone are capable and willing to learn to become master.

While gambling, they have many variety of games from zero to highest difficulty.

Difficult games like poker, blackjack etc are like competitive games.

People who wan to gamble without stress will choose dice, plinko etc that not require any strategy, anyone can play, that's why casino makes more than video games.

Well yeah but casinos generally have so much money these days it might not be a bad idea to develop it to some semi-related branch out.
From a business perspective, with online stuff this is required to survive sometimes.

When PornHub's owner MindGeek was hit with sanctions over their unmoderated content they branched out to the gaming industry! Now they own the biggest NSFW gaming platform and it's doing very well. They have millions of players and probably earn a lot of money this way too. So if a porn site can do it, I'm sure a casino would too. They could even become a publisher and let others do the development while they fund small studios.

It's kinda funny because the opposite has been happening for a while. PC and mobile developers have been utilizing lootboxes, slots with tokens instead of cash and many luck based elements to engage players and keep them hooked while they spend more and more money. Think of Monopoly Go, Coin Master, Zynga's games like Poker, CS:GO's lootboxes and more. So why won't big casinos develop a game with a luck-based element also?

If casinos start developing addicting video games that makes them video game devs not casino games anymore, video games are called video games for a reason, they have their hardware, a home where you can run them, casino games don't have that, most casino games are runable through Java in browsers, but video games can only be run on hardware based on what is been used to built the game, for example Unreal Engine 5.

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Traditionally, Roulette and Card games are one of the simplest, there is no need to for engine to run, availbe offline and online, these are the games that suits online casinos, these games are also calculation based and what you are longing for is games based on character where players need to complete missions and tasks, bro this is no more a casino game.

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If you are looking for something more different than what online casinos are offering right now I guess it is time to start looking into blockchain based games, that's where you will find what you are seeking, there are few good ones out already and you can make money off them, you just have to be good at the game.

I think the idea of ​​combining real gambling or sports betting with video games is great in itself, but extremely difficult to successfully implement in practice. And this is actually surprising, although it seems intuitive. That these are very close areas: video games could be better monetized, and gambling or betting games could get a good entertaining video series.
I once studied and analyzed this problem, but I still could not understand the fundamental reasons for such a division. Most likely, the problem here is psychological inertia. Owners of casinos and betting platforms on one hand and video game development companies on the other hand already receive enough income to engage in some additional creativity.

Cryptos and NFTs are revolutionizing both spaces. Okay, now that slots and other casino games are full of splashing animations and game plays, it lacks interactivity and that deep storytelling that defines a true video game experience. Companies like Axie Infinity and Entropia Universe prove highly successful at demonstrating that the world does need a game where in-game purchases, NFT integration, and real-world currency collide. I believe that the gap has yet to be bridged between an entertaining, immersive experience by video games and ordinary game mechanics' simplicity. The game economy blurs the distinction made between fun and satisfaction. Unlike casino games, however, video games are self-controlled. It offers more strategies and involves them for a long time.

The big question is why don't casinos invest all their money in hardcore games? It combines real-world value with the game. It would seem natural, given the amount of money invested in video game microtransactions and NFTs, if casinos could develop games that combine art, strategy, and real-world experiences. Similar to games like Entropia Universe, they were able to attract a whole new audience. I think Stake's investment in streaming is a step in that direction. This shows that they realize that gaming and gambling can be separated. But as you say, creating a true "playable video game" that can engage players while integrating gambling mechanics would be a game changer. The casino already has the resources. They just need to develop experiences that offer the depth and involvement of video games with the excitement of risk/reward in gambling. It is interesting to see how different the rules are. How can changes be made in this direction?



Casino games are deliberately designed to be straightforward. It relies on uncertainty and quick wins. As games using gacha or NFT features become more complex, as you mentioned the main difference lies in their potential for innovation. Gacha games can evolve and offer a variety of mechanics, stories, and experiences. While casino games thrive on keeping it simple in order to focus on the actual gambling.

Casino games is where the lack of distraction needs to be focused. The harder or more difficult the game, the better. This may more risk distracting from that central excitement. That's why I do think you're right saying that there isn't a lot of room for innovation in that space of traditional casino gaming. It all boils down to simplicity there's a reason players don't come for the story or deep mechanics. But come for a fast and flat way to win. On the contrary, games with gacha or NFTs are made to be played for a lot of time. They often utilize such things like obtained resources, progress, or even games themselves. Such mechanics create people's constant desire to play more. which, basically, is philosophically opposite from "Fast withdrawal" of casino games.

What is interesting is how some phenomena that combine gambling with extreme forms of gaming come about. Although straightforward, simulating casino games can be difficult in an environment that resembles more complex video games. But there might be room for random places by accident. There is no way that excitement But you're right, it's a nice balance to strike. Because the more you play the experience. The further you move away from the essence of true satisfaction.

Casino games and games that have NFT elements (or gacha elements really)  are rather different from each other. They both have that sense of simplicity, but casino games are WAY simpler since it's just like basic rock paper scissors with more mechanics imo. Games with gacha elements are different since there's a lot more room for innovation but at the same time it also strangles itself with the way it develops. It's not really fitting to create something like it as a casino game imo.

And to answer you, again, it's because casino games are made to be simple. There's nothing much to innovate more about it imo. In a sense, the allure of gambling is the gamble itself really, while the game is of second importance.

Stake started looking into developing Kick.com when Twitch banned the streamers from streaming Stake. People moved to Dlive and it sucked ass, so Kick was born. They're growing at a massive rate and are not censoring any content except maybe nudity.

I doubt it would be worth the money for sites to try to build a RPG type game. Look at Dragon tales, it was cool for awhile but eventually died off. Pretty cool concept but I think devs/creators lose interest pretty fast. Maybe with a big budget that would change but IDK.

The main issue with those investments and those games you are talking about it would be the high dependence of the result to the level of skill each gambler/player could have at the moment of starting their session. Perhaps you have not noticed it yet, but all videogames have a heavily skill-based system and difficulty curve, the latter is very unique to each genre and game.
When comes to gambling, the experience of each player/gambler cannot vary according to their level of dextery or skill because that would lead the casino to lose money to the most skillful players/gamblers in the long term, and for the casino to start to get unprofitable it would only take a handful of people who could consistently make money off their sessions.
The closest you will get when comes so skill-based games is poker, specially face-to-face poker, since there is an element of strategy and deceit in it.

That is why casinos do not invest money in those games, because it would be a waste of money to them, in the short and long term.

Of lately also developing interest on roulette as I think it's actually good game to play, and I think what makes most game looks so boring is when they're not making any payout or profits from it and they kept playing it. What gamblers are looking after are games they could easily yield an extensive winning unlike from their usual games they plays, and people would also want to explore a very different games but then wouldn't give much priority is winning is rate is very poor that is why people are developing much love for sports betting as it's the only that is fair enough.

That would be no different from gambling, players would still get glued to it and all, but the boring aspect of having to go accomplish levels, would limit the demography of people who participate in such games. Slot graphics are kept almost static to entertain everyone.

Additionally, integrating video games would turn slot to a skill based game, it'll no longer depend on luck, and sooner developers will come up with cheat codes that'll help players not to fail a single mission. Although, I don't expect casinos to build regular type of games, but a lot of gamblers prefer slots the way it plays.

Because its development would cost much more money!

To create a video game that is truly attractive to players, it needs to have a good story, good graphics, very few or no bugs... imagine how many people are needed for this and the final cost of this product. It's a calculation that doesn't add up.

On the other hand, a slot machine game or slot machine requires very little programming and a few graphic screens, it is a quick development.

I may be ignorant, but this is my perception and the reason for your doubt.

I believe that companies that are focused on the gaming universe are the ones who should, perhaps, invest more in this betting segment, because they already have a structure and resources that are better prepared for this.

Games like Axie and Mir4 aren't supposed to belong to gambling category, because people aren't playing the games to risk their money. Rather, they are putting money, time and personal effort to grind on such games aiming surely rewards in the end. It's like they are working to be paid later. Some gambling mechanisms can be introduced inside such games, but just with a minor or secondary role, like when purchasing mysterious chests and opening them for rewards which can vary from common to legendary tiers.

If gambling becomes the main feature of video games, they will lose their purpose, as people won't need to be skilled or efficient anymore, since all they will need is to be lucky. That is actually very unfair and unattractive for most people who enjoy virtual games.

Well I'm not so sure about that because if it was the case people would only care to play provably fair slots since they have a higher RTP and are verified in their fairness.

Instead everyone picks slots by major providers and that's most probably because they have nicer graphics and slick animations.

So I'd say many people actually care about graphics and actually quite a bit. And probably it's the same with any other casino game as people have largely migrated to casinos with better graphics lately etc.

Video games actually have better graphics and are intended for gamers who need more stunning graphics and gameplay.
But when it comes to gambling, high-graphic gameplay is completely unnecessary.

I myself will not even focus on the gaming experience when gambling, because what is more important is how to profit from gambling.

If there is indeed a cooperation between video game makers and online casinos, it may be distinguished between games specifically for gambling with graphics that are indeed specifically for gambling with graphics that do not charge at a better level of play, such as slot games that require a faster response so that there is no need for high graphics.

I love playing games, but I don't already gamble when I play games, It was a different activity with a different Experience.
Playing games to relieve stress, without thinking about profits or anything, But gambling even if it is just as entertainment will definitely have a mind to maintain winnings and what strategies need to be used.

I think the difference lies in the core motivations behind each industry.  Casinos wanna get people hooked and spending.  Their games and environments are designed to keep folks playing and losing money.  But video games at their best want to transport and engage players in a meaningful experience.  Sure, some video games add gambling elements or microtransactions that feel a bit casino-ish.  but plenty of great games focus first on being fun and telling good stories. and  They attract loyal fans looking for adventure, not addicts chasing losses.

Maybe theres a middle ground here.  Perhaps casinos could create some games more focused on enjoyment than addiction.  But that risky, since their business depends on getting people to gamble away money. 

Either way the industries clearly overlap in places.  But their core incentives remain distinct.  One wants to maximize entertainment, the other profits.  Theres creativity in both, but of very different kinds.

I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting. Are you saying to incorporate gambling with real-life money on a video game, or similarly, create a gambling-focused video game? If that's the case, as a former gamer, I find the idea intriguing. However, it's important to keep in mind that you're combining two entirely distinct genres: gaming and gambling. Gamers might not be interested in gambling, and vice versa, gamblers might not be interested in playing a video game. Although it's an intriguing idea, and I always enjoyed games that featured casinos in their gameplay, I don't believe it would have the necessary audience for it to be developed.